True Crime Docs/Series/Podcasts

[TamsinValencia]

Not based on true crime its fictional but Medium with Patricia Arquette is a really good series about a spiritualist medium who has dreams and visions about crimes.

 

[Cohen]

Not based on true crime its fictional but Medium with Patricia Arquette is a really good series about a spiritualist medium who has dreams and visions about crimes.

I love medium!! It was an interesting supernatural take because it stayed pretty much in reality, and made you think maybe Mediums aren’t all frauds! ❤️

 

[Cohen]

For those of you who listened to “Serial” or watched the HBO documentary “The Case Against Adnan,” a judge overturned his conviction today!!!

Adnan Syed walks out of Baltimore courthouse after judge overturns his 2000 murder conviction

Adnan Syed — the man whose legal saga spawned the hit podcast “Serial” — walked away from a Baltimore courthouse Monday free of shackles after 23 years. Baltimore Circuit Judge Melissa Phinn overturned Syed’s…

www.baltimoresun.com

 

[BibliophileAnn]

Not based on true crime its fictional but Medium with Patricia Arquette is a really good series about a spiritualist medium who has dreams and visions about crimes.

The Allison DuBois that Patricia Arquette portrays is based on real life Allison DuBois who is a medium. The series Medium is also based on a book written by the real life Allison Dubois’s called Don’t Kiss Them Goodbye.

 

[Plasma]

For those of you who listened to “Serial” or watched the HBO documentary “The Case Against Adnan,” a judge overturned his conviction today!!!

Adnan Syed walks out of Baltimore courthouse after judge overturns his 2000 murder conviction

Adnan Syed — the man whose legal saga spawned the hit podcast “Serial” — walked away from a Baltimore courthouse Monday free of shackles after 23 years. Baltimore Circuit Judge Melissa Phinn overturned Syed’s…

www.baltimoresun.com

For anyone not aware of this situation, this is the overturning of a flawed conviction based on poor information/witnesses. 23 years ago Adnan was convicted of murdering his ex-girlfriend, Hae Min Lee, over the testimony of his friend (which is highly suspected to have been coached) and shoddy and at the time new cell phone records. The family has been fighting for a long time to actually get justice for Adnan, and this is a big win for them.

🙂 It is a good day for the Syed household.

 

[nightshade]

Just finished watch Sins of our mother, quite surprised it's such a recent one, not even gone to trial yet. Very interesting and creepy though.

 

[Cohen]

I’ve seen so many different shows on Lori Vallow. Since the grandparents alerted the police that the children went missing, I followed every update of the case. So tragic.

 

[Plasma]

Thoughts on that new Dahmer series?

I'm enjoying it, but admittedly a lot is because he is such a bizarre freak to learn about. It's like some sick part of me wants to keep going, but also doesn't.

 

[Cohen]

I haven’t watched it yet but I started it the other night! I’ve always been fascinated by Dahmer, psychologically. So I’m looking forward to finishing it!

 

[November]

I'm not really into the true crime thing, but there is a lot of it to watch and I watch a lot of tv. I prefer the cult stories over the scary serial killers.

Keep Sweet, Pray and Obey was interesting but not particularly shocking in that it seems almost common for some in charge of innocence to turn sexual. I wonder if there will be a series on the Christian brothers in Australia, but they may wait until the victims have died off before bringing that much trauma up into the public eye. I've been looking for more on The Family, the one where she kept adopting kids and dying their hair blonde.

I started I am a Killer, but it just felt like the dining room in the psych ward, so I stopped that one for now.

Has anyone here seen the Underbelly series? Based on true events but heavily dramatised. It was big here but I never paid much attention. Its free on 9now and I'm wondering if worth watching?

 

[Bop]

I watched a 3-hour podcast about Jonbenet Ramsey today, it was pretty interesting. It's really only that case and Maddie McCann's case that I'm very familiar with out all the crime cases out there. Jonbenet's case is probably the craziest because they actually found her body and the details of the case are very strange. I've seen that a lot of people seem to believe it was Jonbenet's brother who killed her accidentally, but I don't believe that. I don't there's enough to suggest that happened.

 

[Plasma]

I've seen that a lot of people seem to believe it was Jonbenet's brother who killed her accidentally, but I don't believe that. I don't there's enough to suggest that happened.

The sad thing is that there’s not enough evidence for any one avenue or suspect. All of it is thrown into question as soon as the note is brought up, since it was written inside the home, mentioned a ransom equivalent to the bonus that the father had earned earlier that year, and is signed bizarrely. Was it done by the parents? Or was it an intruder covering their tracks?

I would like to think that eventually answers will be given and things will be solved, but I don’t see that happening.

 

[Bop]

The sad thing is that there’s not enough evidence for any one avenue or suspect. All of it is thrown into question as soon as the note is brought up, since it was written inside the home, mentioned a ransom equivalent to the bonus that the father had earned earlier that year, and is signed bizarrely. Was it done by the parents? Or was it an intruder covering their tracks?

I would like to think that eventually answers will be given and things will be solved, but I don’t see that happening.

Yeah there's not any theory that really explains everything which is why it's such a hard case to figure out. But the note is definitely one of the main things that makes it hard to believe it was an intruder who killed Jonbenet. I just struggle with the motive of the parents killing her, unless it was simply an accident but even then the autopsy showed that she didn't die from the injury of being hit on the head, she died from strangulation with a rope- and there's figure marks on her neck showing that she was fighting to get the rope off. So whoever was strangling her knew they were killing her.


I learned in the podcast today that they found evidence that Jonbenet was likely being sexually abused for a while before she died. Jonbenet and her brother would have a habit of wetting the bed as well which can be a thing that happens with abused children or children who are in a stressful household so it seems to me the likely culprit for who killed her is probably the same person or at least connected to whoever was abusing her.

 

[BibliophileAnn]

I shouldn’t be shocked to read posts about my pet case. I can’t talk to those I. my family about this case. That is why I joined these forums to discuss this case. I know the JonBenet Ramsey case very well and I have followed it for years. I have read all the books on the case and have posted on various forums over the years about the case with posters who know about it. I have not seen anything they leads me to believe that John , Patsy or Burke killed JonBenet or were involved. I have read a copy of the Ransom note a lot and have read a copy of the autopsy report that was posted in a thread of one of the forums I read and posted on. There were hairs, fibers, shoe prints, beaver fur, that was never or has been tied to the Ramsays. No boot or hat with Beaver fur on it was found in the house. There is evidence that an intruder was in the house. The rest of the tape and cord ( what JonBenet was strangled with was white cord not rope) was never recovered from the Ramsey home or anywhere else. The theory by RDI (Ramsey Did It ) is that that John or Patsy dropped down a storm drain or got rid of it another way. A point of entry was not determined but there were plenty of unlocked and partly open windows to allow power cords to go through. There were outdoor decorations that needed power from the house. So there were plenty of ways that an intruder could have gotten into the house. The Ramsey house was one of other homes that were an entry in a Christmas decoration tour. Lots of people went through the Ramsey home at the time. Since the Ramseys renovated the home there were workers all through it and keys were given to certain people such as Nanny’s that were not returned to the Ramseys. The intruder could have found the key the Ramseys found in the yard under a statue and unlocked a locked door with it.
The ransom amount mentioned in the note is not the exact amount of John Ramsay’s Christmas bonus that year. It is only close. I have joined discussions about the possibility that the ransom amount might be significant to JonBenet Ramsey’s killer and that it might represent a number that means something to the killer. There are 4 movies specifically that tweaked lines that were taken from. Dirty Harry, Speed, Ransom and Nick of Time. The ransom note in the movie Ransom is similar in tone to the Ramsey ransom note and has the same phrase He dies He dies He dies. In the Ramsey ransom note the phrase was changed to she dies, she dies, she dies. This was no accident, the intruder did his homework and it was planned. I have watched the podcasts on this case and they pretty much say the same thing and all include theories that do not include an intruder. The Ramseys were cleared by the District Attorney at the time due to touch DNA that was found on the waist band of the leggings JonBenet was wearing. This also matched DNA found under JonBenet’s fingernails and in the underwear she was wearing.

There is a way to solve this case and that is to turn the DNA evidence over to CeCe Moore. She is a Forensic Genealogist. CeCe Moore can go into Genealogy sites and find family members of the depositor of the DNA. in the Ramsey case. That would lead to a suspect. CeCe Moore’s record is very good.
Sorry for the long post but as I stated I know a lot about this case.

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Yeah there's not any theory that really explains everything which is why it's such a hard case to figure out. But the note is definitely one of the main things that makes it hard to believe it was an intruder who killed Jonbenet. I just struggle with the motive of the parents killing her, unless it was simply an accident but even then the autopsy showed that she didn't die from the injury of being hit on the head, she died from strangulation with a rope- and there's figure marks on her neck showing that she was fighting to get the rope off. So whoever was strangling her knew they were killing her.


I learned in the podcast today that they found evidence that Jonbenet was likely being sexually abused for a while before she died. Jonbenet and her brother would have a habit of wetting the bed as well which can be a thing that happens with abused children or children who are in a stressful household so it seems to me the likely culprit for who killed her is probably the same person or at least connected to whoever was abusing her.

JonBenet Ramsey was dead as soon as 4 minutes and the skull fracture would have taken hours for her to die of. The skull fracture was discovered during the autopsy.

 

[Bop]

There were hairs, fibers, shoe prints, beaver fur, that was never or has been tied to the Ramsays. No boot or hat with Beaver fur on it was found in the house. There is evidence that an intruder was in the house

I think with the extent to which the house and the crime scene were tampered with considering all the guests the Ramseys had over on the day of the murder and even before that when they hosted parties- it's hard to draw a straight line between those unknown hairs etc and an intruder. Isn't it possible that the priest or any one of the friends could have left behind those things and it might not even belong to them it could have come from someone they were in contact with.

There are 4 movies specifically that tweaked lines that were taken from. Dirty Harry, Speed, Ransom and Nick of Time. The ransom note in the movie Ransom is similar in tone to the Ramsey ransom note and has the same phrase He dies He dies He dies. In the Ramsey ransom note the phrase was changed to she dies, she dies, she dies. This was no accident, the intruder did his homework and it was planned.

Yeah it is either that the intruder was deliberate in referencing the movies or the Ramseys potentially used the movies to write the note.

JonBenet Ramsey was dead as soon as 4 minutes and the skull fracture would have taken hours for her to die of. The skull fracture was discovered during the autopsy.

Yeah so in a sense the way it's revealed that she died could support the intruder theory because it looks like the strangulation came before the head injury- otherwise how would she be conscious to leave behind the marks on her neck from trying to get the cord off. But still that doesn't prove it was an intruder it just makes it hard to believe that it was an accident, which is what a lot of theories that the family did it are based on.

I hope the breakthrough with the DNA evidence is enough to tie everything together 🙁

 

[Cohen]

If it was an intruder who killed her, why leave her body? Why hide her body? Why leave a ransom note if the body is in the house? Did the Ramseys initially think that Burke accidentally killed her and staged the scene--leaving the ransom note? I don't want to believe that a parent could leave a cord wrapped around the neck of their baby daughter, just to be "discovered" later. That is inhumane on the highest level.

The problem with this case isn't that it was unsolvable. It's that the police completely screwed up the investigation from the moment they arrived on scene. When Patsy called the police the morning of the 26th, dispatcher should have told her to keep family and friends outside of the house. I recognize it was a quick call, but she should have been trained to say "Police are on the way, don't let anyone in the house until police get there." Regardless that they didn't know she was dead yet, there was critical evidence in and around the house that could have led to an abductor. Once the police got there, they should have cordoned off the scene. The handling of the investigation by the police was absolutely abysmal. It doesn't matter that they were not experienced investigators, that is Police 101. When a crime happens, preserve the evidence!

The Ramseys play no fault in that part of the incident. A normal family in the mid-90s would not know what to do in the event their child is abducted. It makes sense they would call their "tribe" out to help them. They did not have the information we have now. Preserving crime scene evidence. Not touching the body. FFS, the fact that the police didn't escort John and his friend to the basement on their search for anything amiss! That right there could have prevented him from touching and removing the body, further contaminating evidence.

Honestly, I agree, it seems the only way that this will ever be resolved is if the unknown DNA is added to a genealogical DNA database, like the Golden State Killer.

 

[Bop]

The Ramseys play no fault in that part of the incident. A normal family in the mid-90s would not know what to do in the event their child is abducted. It makes sense they would call their "tribe" out to help them. They did not have the information we have now. Preserving crime scene evidence. Not touching the body. FFS, the fact that the police didn't escort John and his friend to the basement on their search for anything amiss! That right there could have prevented him from touching and removing the body, further contaminating evidence.

I think it's weird that the Ramseys didn't even try to be covert about the fact they had told people Jonbenet had been taken- even though the ransom note said specifically that if they tell anyone they'll kill her. So telling the police is one thing but to 1. Not even mention in the phone call that the police need to be discreet because the people who have their daughter told them not to tell anyone or she dies and 2. To then have a bunch of their friends drive over to their house just paints a picture that they were unconcerned about the threats of the people who have their daughter. Then they just sit around the house for a few hours before John is asked to go on a search and he heads straight to the cellar where Jonbenet has been the whole time, it's all pretty strange.

Another weird detail is that the note said to 'be rested' for the exchange but surely the intruder would have assumed they'd find the note in the morning since he was taking Jonbenet in the night so to instruct them to be rested doesn't make any sense.

 

[Cohen]

Another weird detail is that the note said to 'be rested' for the exchange but surely the intruder would have assumed they'd find the note in the morning since he was taking Jonbenet in the night so to instruct them to be rested doesn't make any sense.

Maybe that's why they were sitting around doing nothing. It will be interesting to see if anything comes of the DNA.

 

[BibliophileAnn]

If it was an intruder who killed her, why leave her body? Why hide her body? Why leave a ransom note if the body is in the house? Did the Ramseys initially think that Burke accidentally killed her and staged the scene--leaving the ransom note? I don't want to believe that a parent could leave a cord wrapped around the neck of their baby daughter, just to be "discovered" later. That is inhumane on the highest level.

The problem with this case isn't that it was unsolvable. It's that the police completely screwed up the investigation from the moment they arrived on scene. When Patsy called the police the morning of the 26th, dispatcher should have told her to keep family and friends outside of the house. I recognize it was a quick call, but she should have been trained to say "Police are on the way, don't let anyone in the house until police get there." Regardless that they didn't know she was dead yet, there was critical evidence in and around the house that could have led to an abductor. Once the police got there, they should have cordoned off the scene. The handling of the investigation by the police was absolutely abysmal. It doesn't matter that they were not experienced investigators, that is Police 101. When a crime happens, preserve the evidence!

The Ramseys play no fault in that part of the incident. A normal family in the mid-90s would not know what to do in the event their child is abducted. It makes sense they would call their "tribe" out to help them. They did not have the information we have now. Preserving crime scene evidence. Not touching the body. FFS, the fact that the police didn't escort John and his friend to the basement on their search for anything amiss! That right there could have prevented him from touching and removing the body, further contaminating evidence.

Honestly, I agree, it seems the only way that this will ever be resolved is if the unknown DNA is added to a genealogical DNA database, like the Golden State Killer.

He left her body in the house because he decided to. He didn’t exactly hide JonBenet’s body; it might not have been in plain sight but it wasn’t hidden. The BPD officers could have found it but they were looking for a way a kidnapper could have gotten in and out of the Ramsey’s home with JonBenet.

I agree that the BPD didn’t take care of the crime scene. Even if they thought at the time they were investigating a kidnapping any evidence the kidnapper might have left should have been preserved. Not only did the BPD officers not only take care of the crime scene they arrived at the Ramseys in marked cars with sirens blaring. The Ramsey Ransom Note has a signature. It is SBTC. Followers and posters about the job of the Ramsey case have been puzzled for years what SBTC meant and trying to come up with answers Starting with the letters SBTC.

This private investigator found a paper written by two Professors at the University of Boulder Colorado or Colorado university that was about pseudo potential Single Band Truncated Crystals (SBTC). The private investigator thought it was too much of a coincidence that SBTC would be in two different places. Colorado university in Boulder Colorado is located a half a mile distance from the Ramsey‘s former home in Boulder.
@Bop I think the intruder brought the hairs, fibers and beaver fur into the Ramseys home on his clothing and shoes. Re: Be rested in the note. Since the Ransom Note was created from using and changing lines from Ransom Note scenes in movies then it is more than likely that’s why it ended up in the Ramsey Ransom Note.

 

[Bop]

I'm on episode 3 of the Dahmer series on Netflix and it's been a really intense watch, especially because I didn't know about the case really at all before hand.

The most shocking thing about it to me is how Dahmer got away with doing what he did in an apartment building. Just imagining being one of his victims getting killed in such a horrible way and not getting any escape even though you're just a few feet away from people watching TV and families. And even when something odd is detected and the police are involved you're still not helped.