Turning herself into the police, Buffys natural reaction to an accidental death?

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Think That was entirely because of the overwraught sense of guilt Andrew gave her?

or think its what she'd have done if she'd really killed an innocent by accident.

To my eyes when faith killed the deputy Mayor, that was a relatively minor sin, she'd been acting out her duties in good faith.

I felt MUCH more outraged towards her framing buffy"
 
Sorry, I'm a little confused. Could you clarify exactly what you're talking about?
 
Are we talking about Katrina's death? I don't think her reaction had anything to do with Andrew, I think it was purely a normal reaction for any "good" human being.

Albeit it was a bad decision. As the slayer, Buffy's duty is more important than a death. Her going to prison would cause the death of many, many people. Therefore, even if she deserves/should go to jail, it would not be the best decision to take. Especially since the death was "accidental".
 
Are you talking about Dead Things? I don't remember Andrew making her feel guilty. Buffy is just a moral person. When Faith killed Alan, Buffy wanted to tell Giles, and since Giles wasn't there in Dead Things I guess turning herself into the police was the best thing to do. She reacts similarly in Ted when she thinks he's a human that she killed.
 
Thats what I meant, And SPIKE of all things tried reasoning with her... SPIKE the man of reason... What will they think up next.

and she beat him for his trouble...
 
So...you think it's BAD that Buffy wants to pay for taking a person's life - even accidentally - and make amends? Is that what we're talking about here?

I think you have a really low opinion of Buffy.

Anyway, yes, I think it is exactly Buffy's natural reaction to turn herself in when she accidentally kills someone - there's a precedence for this, when she 'killed' Ted, she was devastated, horrified of her actions, and when the Deputy Mayor was killed, she felt the same thing. Buffy wasn't even responsible for that and she still felt an enormous amount of guilt, guilt that she couldn't handle and so went to Giles to try and do something about it.

So, yes, I think it was Buffy's natural reaction to an accidental death she thinks she's responsible for. An accidental death that was purely accidental? No, I don't think she would have turned herself in. But within the confines of the spell, Buffy would have been 100% responsible for Katrina's death - if Katrina hadn't already been dead. Andrew didn't mess with Buffy's emotion's, he didn't do anything to Buffy's actual mind or memories or emotions, he just manipulated time and space in order to confuse Buffy enough to think that she had killed someone.

As for Spike, as LOATH as I am to admit it, he did have a point. Buffy handing herself in and going to prison would have left the world defenseless. Two Slayers behind bars is not what the world needed.

But beating Spike up didn't really have anything to do with the situation at hand. He was trying to stop her making a choice, and Buffy couldn't deal with that. She had already had one choice taken away from her (Willow bringing her back to life despite it being Buffy's choice to die) and she didn't want Spike to do the same thing. She beats him so that she can do what she thinks is right, whether it's the right decision for the world at large or not, it's still the right decision for HER. So she lays into Spike for trying to make up her mind for her and it devolves into her self-loathing over the fact that she's sleeping with someone she considers a monster, something she hates herself for. Once Spike isn't in a position to stop her, she leaves him and goes to the police.

It's only after she finds out the girl's name does she realize that something isn't right. I think she still feels responsible for Katrina's death, though, in that she should have stopped Warren sooner.
 
I dont think it was so much guilt, she was in a really bad place in season 6. She was punishing herself all throughout the season, yes she's a good person, but I think any other season she wouldn't have jumped there as fast.

It was just another easy way out of her life.
 
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Thing is she should have contacted the Watchers council and submitted herself to an investigation, as they'd take things into account.


Curious on Faith?

Is their a reason, why as evil as murder is, her semiaccidental homicide, seemed FAR less despicable, then her framing buffy for it.
 
CordelliasHeart said:
Thing is she should have contacted the Watchers council and submitted herself to an investigation, as they'd take things into account.


Curious on Faith?

Is their a reason, why as evil as murder is, her semiaccidental homicide, seemed FAR less despicable, then her framing buffy for it.
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Well, Faith's killing of Finch was an accident, it wasn't murder. She thought he was a vampire, when she realised what she'd done, that she'd killed a human, she completely freaked.

But what she did to Buffy was calculated, a defence mechanism sure, but it was a choice that Faith made. To make Buffy take the blame and get her in serious trouble, luckily Giles is a good judge of character (or Buffy and Faith's characters at any rate.) and saw right through it.
I guess why that's why it seems worse.
 
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So...you think it's BAD that Buffy wants to pay for taking a person's life - even accidentally - and make amends? Is that what we're talking about here?

I think you have a really low opinion of Buffy.

Anyway, yes, I think it is exactly Buffy's natural reaction to turn herself in when she accidentally kills someone - there's a precedence for this, when she 'killed' Ted, she was devastated, horrified of her actions, and when the Deputy Mayor was killed, she felt the same thing. Buffy wasn't even responsible for that and she still felt an enormous amount of guilt, guilt that she couldn't handle and so went to Giles to try and do something about it.

So, yes, I think it was Buffy's natural reaction to an accidental death she thinks she's responsible for. An accidental death that was purely accidental? No, I don't think she would have turned herself in. But within the confines of the spell, Buffy would have been 100% responsible for Katrina's death - if Katrina hadn't already been dead. Andrew didn't mess with Buffy's emotion's, he didn't do anything to Buffy's actual mind or memories or emotions, he just manipulated time and space in order to confuse Buffy enough to think that she had killed someone.

As for Spike, as LOATH as I am to admit it, he did have a point. Buffy handing herself in and going to prison would have left the world defenseless. Two Slayers behind bars is not what the world needed.

But beating Spike up didn't really have anything to do with the situation at hand. He was trying to stop her making a choice, and Buffy couldn't deal with that. She had already had one choice taken away from her (Willow bringing her back to life despite it being Buffy's choice to die) and she didn't want Spike to do the same thing. She beats him so that she can do what she thinks is right, whether it's the right decision for the world at large or not, it's still the right decision for HER. So she lays into Spike for trying to make up her mind for her and it devolves into her self-loathing over the fact that she's sleeping with someone she considers a monster, something she hates herself for. Once Spike isn't in a position to stop her, she leaves him and goes to the police.

It's only after she finds out the girl's name does she realize that something isn't right. I think she still feels responsible for Katrina's death, though, in that she should have stopped Warren sooner.
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And that is my objection. Had it been a clear accidental murder like Faith's incident, yeah jail or at least an admission to an authority figure. But this murder had all sorts of demons and time distortion. I think she would have confided some part of this to Willow and hit the books under normal circumstances. Jail could wait a few days if she decided she had actually done something wrong. The trio had screwed with her head enough times that the whole incident was worthy of investigation.

I saw the beat down as a tipping point. Spike loves her but his love is fundamentally twisted just like he is. Buffy hates him but goes to him for sex because it's the only thing that makes her feel. Instead of reacting to Katrina's death as she normally would, she tries to escape her life again.
 
After "Life Serial 6ABB05", Buffy should have known from her sensation of disorientation that she was not automatically to blame for Katrina's death. She should also have known, as Snyder did, that the police were "deeply stupid" and that a legal system is not necessarily a justice system. Buffy should also have known the properties of the Rwasundi demon, if she had bothered to become a good student of demonology. Anya finally was the one who told her about them.
 
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