Twilight Fans/Haters: Edward Cullen: Abusive Boyfriend?

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*SPOILER ALERT FOR ALL TWILIGHT BOOKS*
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Personally, I'm one of the "Twilight Haters". 🙂 Yes, I've read the books, all four of them. Yes, I've seen all of the movies so far. And, actually, in the very beginning (back in September 2008) I loved Twilight. But in the last few books, I kept getting this weird feeling that something was horribly, horribly wrong.

Now, my opinion on the Twilight books in general is that they have no real plot, two-dimensional characters, NO character development at all, and bad themes. This book is as NOT empowering to women as you can possibly get, and I really don't like that. What does Bella do when Edward leaves her to have "a better life"? First, she goes into complete and utter isolation and depression. No friends, no life. This is showing that a woman can't live without her man there to protect her. Then, she goes psycho, and starts doing "reckless and stupid" things in order to hallucinate Edward's voice. So she jumps off a cliff, and has to be saved by a man.

Anyway, the fact that IMO Stephanie Meyer is an extremely bad writer is besides the point. :biggrin3: One of my main reasons for disliking Twilight is this: The main reason that so many young ladies love Twilight is because the think that Edward Cullen is "The perfect boyfriend" in every way, shape, and form. They wish that they had a boyfriend as amazing as Edward. This actually scares me, on so many levels. That people could mistake the Bella/Edward relationship for true and amazing love.

IMO, Edward Cullen is an abusive boyfriend. But this article says it much better than I can:
When it comes to media influences, we are most concerned with what our heroes do. After all, they are supposed to be the most admirable of people. A villain's actions are assumed to be questionable, but the hero is, well, essentially noble. Why is it, then, that no one seems to be concerned that Edward Cullen, hero of the bestselling books Twilight and New Moon, is an abusive boyfriend? His actions repeatedly demonstrate a dangerous mentality of dependency and control.

The first thing any girl hears in a dating violence discussion is that jealousy is not love. Yet Edward is critically jealous of Jacob Black, one of Bella's family friends. Edward pushes Jacob aside from the end of Twilight where, when Jacob asks Bella if she'd like another dance, Edward answers "I'll take it from here." Perhaps Bella would prefer to dance with Edward "“ but it's her decision to tell Jacob that, not Edward's. The situation only escalates as Jacob becomes closer to Bella. In a confrontation at the end of New Moon, Bella is genuinely afraid for Jacob's life. Fans of the series might say "Oh, but Jacob is a werewolf "“ they're historical enemies." Would this excuse an English beau from threatening an Irish friend?

Moreover, in Eclipse, Edward is intent on keeping Bella from associating with Jacob at all. When she says in the first chapter that she's planning on visiting Jacob without Edward if necessary, he says simply "I'll stop you." That is to say, he is willing to use physical force rather than let his girlfriend see one of her closest friends. And it does come to force "“ to removing a vital part from Bella's truck and bribing Alice to keep Bella under house arrest when he isn't around.

A general dislike of Jacob would be understood. But taking steps to prevent your partner from spending time with someone that you dislike is abuse, plain and simple. And his surprising calm after Bella kisses Jacob seems more indicative to me of a cycle of abuse and reconciliation than any real resolution.

Jealousy is a control tactic. As such, it is often paired with isolation "“ a technique most familiar in cult dynamics. As soon as Edward and Bella begin dating, Edward criticizes her friends as "˜shallow.' Bella soon stops going anywhere with other friends. Not having formed strong bonds before Edward appears on the scene, Bella never bothers to form them at all. The isolation is so complete that when Edward leaves in the beginning of New Moon, Bella spends three months in a depressed state before rediscovering her other friends. Yes, it's understandable to want to spend time with your boyfriend. But when you have quite literally no life outside of them "“ when their absence leaves you so utterly lost "“ that is unhealthy. And it is wrong of Edward to encourage it. As already demonstrated with Jacob Black, Bella is capable of forming strong friendships when Edward isn't monopolizing her time.

Moreover, a part of this isolation is fully and unarguably intentional. When Edward leaves Bella, he flat-out forbids Alice, Bella's best friend at the time, from seeing her. His motivation? To ensure a "clean break." But it is Bella's right to decide when and how she wants to forget about their relationship. Presuming to dictate her healing process for her is the height of control "“ it is assuming that you have the right to a person's thoughts.

Abandonment is yet another control tactic. It is emotionally jarring, disruptive, and, if timed properly, can convince the target that their life is less worthwhile without the abuser. I have been the subject of this treatment myself "“ and, if it were not for my close friends, it would have worked. Thanks to isolation, Bella has no such friends. When Edward resurfaces, she immediately clings to him more desperately than before. He has become her only lifeline.

Of course, Edward resurfaces in that he attempts suicide. I don't care what Romeo and Juliet says: suicide is not romantic. Apart from being mentally unstable, this is characteristic of abusive boyfriends. Many abused women remain with their boyfriends because they believe that they still love each other. They often feel responsible for their boyfriend, who tells them "I can't live without you." For obvious reasons, Bella doesn't want to be responsible for Edward's death. But because of this fear for his life, she stays in a self-destructive relationship.

Perhaps Edward didn't realize that Bella was alive when he tried to kill himself. But that just proves that he was unstable enough to go through with it "“ he had made the threat long before he made the attempt. Bella did not laugh off the threat "“ it shocked and horrified her. If Edward hurt himself, she felt it would be "because of her." And that puts a burden of responsibility on her that no person can or should be made to bear.

This sense of responsibility for his welfare also extends to lying to her father. Encouraged deception is a red flag for an abusive relationship. Yes, you can argue that Bella shouldn't tell her father about Edward's vampirism for the same reason that she wouldn't tell anyone if he had AIDS: respect for privacy. But it is expected that she would tell her father when she is with her boyfriend. Lying is unnecessary. You can argue that Edward does not encourage her to lie, instead asking her to tell someone where she is. But this statement is consistently followed with 'So I know that if I kill you, I'll get in trouble for it.' ("To give me some small incentive to bring you back," p 214) Predictably, it has the opposite effect: Bella, out of her sense of responsibility for her boyfriend, keeps their dates secret. Thus serving Edward's ends. Many teenagers will lie to their parents about their dates without a second thought. But this doesn't make it right. In fact, it only shows that Edward can't plead ignorance regarding how Bella would react to his statement. Any mind reader will know what she'd do.

Time and time again in Twilight, Edward frightens Bella. Fear is emotional abuse. It can also be used to assert control. Fans might say that Edward is constantly telling Bella how much he wants to kill her and giving unnecessary displays of strength in order to convince her not to stay with him. Why, then, doesn't he take the lead and stay away from Bella? Why didn't he stay in Alaska? Why didn't he simply switch Biology classes? Because he's "selfish." If he is unable to stay away from her, he has no right to scare her. Calmly explaining the danger "“ once, as accurately as possible, without hyperbole "“ will suffice. And then a boy who really cared would help her take necessary precautions for her safety. For example, telling Charlie when they would be together. Or, having Carlisle chaperon. Or by having a double date with Alice and Jasper, or by sticking in public places, or any of dozens of other measures, since Edward clearly doesn't believe that feeding often is precaution enough. But that would prevent Bella from swooning over his "devotion."

For that matter, why is he under the impression that seeing the dents his shoulders left in a car is insufficient to remind her that he is, in fact, stronger than your average human?

Finally, Edward refuses to allow Bella to make her own decisions. She insists she does not want to go to the prom "“ he brings her there without telling her. She insists she doesn't want a birthday party "“ he gives her a surprise party. She does not want to leave Charlie while James is loose "“ he throws her in the back seat and tells his brother to hold her down. When she resists, he either works around her back or manipulates her decision, kissing her until she forgets her argument. Real boyfriends respect their girlfriend's right to a decision. Abusive boyfriends must make all the decisions "“ using force if necessary. It doesn't matter whether he thinks he's acting in her best interests or not. Free will is non-exchangeable. And it should be.

The circumstances of their engagement is a perfect example of his inability to let her make her own decisions. He agrees, at the end of New Moon, that he will change her into a vampire if and only if she marries him first. Marriage is not a bargaining tool. Vampirism and marriage are both commitments "“ but they are separate commitments, and should be discussed separately. The fact that he never intended for her to make that bargain, that he used it as a delay, is not an excuse. Rather, it is further evidence of a need to manipulate the relationship according to his wants and needs.

Likewise, when Bella decides that she does not want to apply to Dartmouth, he ignores her and forges her signature on the paperwork. Going to a college outside of the Ivy League will not place Bella's life or even her general contentment in danger. Yet he resolves that it is his decision to make, not hers.

A parallel incident can be found when he forges a note to Charlie in her handwriting on the day he leaves her in the middle of the woods. Yes, it turned out to be a good thing that Charlie knew that she was out there when she went missing, but no, that doesn't excuse forging a note when it would have been just as easy to write the note as himself: "Hey, Chief Swan, it's Edward. Bella and I are going for a walk in the woods. Be back soon."

For those fans who insist on some definite physical, non-negotiable sign of abuse, recall how Edward enters her house after leaving her in New Moon and hides every one of her personal possessions associated with himself. Destroying someone's stuff is never OK and always an abusive act. Even "“ especially! "“ when he's trying to control her healing process. Add the fact that Edward is prone to watching Bella while she sleeps "“ repeatedly, without her knowledge "“ and you have one very unhealthy relationship.

Yet in Eclipse, we seem to have a point of some resolution. As Eclipse moves on, Edward makes the radical decision to let Bella take some control of her own life and her own friendships. As it draws to a close, he even comes to realize that it was wrong of him to think he knew what was best for her. Awareness, I have always thought, is the most crucial step in dealing with an unhealthy relationship. Does this mean that Edward and Bella have finally worked their problems out?

Unfortunately, I don't think that this is the case. First of all, there is the fact that this "realization" is handed down as a proclamation from Edward, a statement of how he intends to act. True to the pattern of their relationship, Bella has nothing to do with this statement, and merely accepts it passively, without trying to discuss with Edward how they can have a more balanced relationship. Lack of communication implies a lack of any real development in the relationship. Translation: Meyer is trying to appease the critics by slipping in this speech of Edward's. And then Edward goes ahead and invites Jacob to the wedding even after Bella specifically said that she didn't want to invite him. Was it a good idea to have Jacob there, a gesture of reconciliation? Maybe. But maybe it was twisting the knife, and it's Bella's right to make that call.

And there remains one crucial element of domination in this relationship that has not been addressed "“ possessiveness. Talking of marriage, Edward says, "I want the world to know that you're mine and no one else's." This is not normal, and it is not healthy! Even married couples have a life outside of each other. That sentiment, "You're mine," might seem a mark of devotion, but it is a denial of Bella's full humanity. That mentality remains whether the couple is aware of it or not. And it will resurface eventually.

That, I think, is more dangerous than any poison could be. The fact that such a deadly emotion could hide under the mask of love. The most frightening part of the story of Edward and Bella is not that he hurts her, is not that she loves him regardless, it is that when in the height of Edward's controlling madness Jacob asks if he could possibly be an abusive boyfriend"¦ Bella does not even consider the thought.

The difference between love and obsession is not an idea to be ignored.

Credits: http://www.gaiaonline.com/forum/recycle-bin/edward-cullen-abusive-boyfriend-eclipse-spoilers/t.26745143/

There are MANY articles out there proving how Edward is an abusive boyfriend, but that one is the very best. 🙂

Thoughts?
 
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TheGrandmaster
Yeah twilight's rubbish. By the by your inbox is full :D
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Misty
Agreed.
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Ms.Trick
That's a really great article. It says everything there is to say.
Actually I used to like Twilight, before I was introduced to BUffy. I liked it cause it was romantic and generally vampires are interesting to me. But after I saw Buffy, I have come to the conclusion that Edward/Bella seems to be a bad copy of Bangel. And even Edward's worries about having a soul or not...oh come on guys! the vampire with a soul is a theme which was made long time ago!!! I know now, that Buffy is epic and Twilight seems more like a copy and lacks action.

I don't think Edward is abusive, he is very protective of Bella, but still the relationhsip is not as important to me as BtVs relationships are.
 
I'm prefacing my statement in saying, Yes, I've read the four books, I read what was released of Midnight Sun and yes, I enjoyed them but there's a huge BUT. Well, there's several but only one of them is relevant to this.

Bella's and Edward's relationship is completely messed up. They're easily the two most co-dependant people I have ever had the pleasure of not meeting and I take issue with how their relationship was portrayed. In my opinion, the books would have been an interesting, very possibly good read if their relationship had been portrayed as what it is - truly, horribly messed up but it works for THEM and let me tell you why.

Sadly, it was portrayed as true, I dare say the ideal of, love that everyone should yearn for a relationship like theirs and what is wrong with you if you don't? and this I take issue with. Yes, for THEM, it worked because that's the kind of people they are. But this is not the perfect relationship it's portrayed as, it is not. For anyone else I'd have said: Get out of this relationship NOW. It's killing you.
 
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Lindsey McDonald
I agree completely. It might be messed up by common standards, and it couldn't work if only one party was like that, but for them it's not a problem
Mazikeen
Mazikeen
Absolutely.
Well, I have read all 4 books 6 times now (I think?) and seen both movies. I LOVE the Twilight saga. That being said, I can understand why some people don't... Since I've read them so many times, I admit my views have changed a little bit since I first was exposed to the Twilight saga. I used to think it was all so romantic and beautiful, and I still think the overall story is a good one and I like the saga as a whole, Edward and Bella are definitely not my favorite characters anymore.
While I don't agree that Edward is abusive toward Bella, I do agree that their relationship is definitely not one I'd consider healthy. Bella is WAY too dependent on Edward- actually, scratch that- Bella is way too dependent on the men in her life, period. After Edward left in "New Moon", she was so dependent on Jacob for her happiness that she panicked when he stopped calling/coming around, too. True, she didn't go all catatonic like she did when Edward left, but she did panic. This is annoying and disturbing to me. My oldest daughter is in love with the movies (obviously she's not old enough to have read the books, since she's only 7) and when she gets old enough, I will let her read the books. But I am going to emphasize to her, and anyone else who dissects these characters so thoroughly, that this is a FICTIONAL STORY. These characters are completely figments of Stephenie Meyers' imagination, which is why I don't get all up in the air over flaws in the characters. I don't like how controlling Edward can be at times (when he made Alice babysit Bella in Eclipse so she couldn't see Jacob, for instance) and I hate how dependent Bella is on the men in her life. I hate that she's not a more independent woman who's able to function and/or define herself without a man. These are reasons why I don't love these characters as much as Jacob and Alice, for example, or Carlisle. But I don't think that just because the main characters are so flawed that the story itself sucks, and I don't see Edward as abusive.
 
Joan the Vampire Slayer
Joan the Vampire Slayer
I love your banner like that!
Preface: this post in is no way insinuating that people who like Twilight are stupid in any way. This is just my opinion.

I'm always hesitant to discuss Twilight on the boards. I've said things in the past regarding the books that have offended some people on here. And I'm pretty sure the reason I got banned temporarily was because of a comment I made about the series.

All I'll say is: anyone who knows me knows how I feel about the Twilight Saga and about its characters. Yes, I read all four books for my Young Adult literature class. Yes, I wrote a 25 page paper on the series. I know the series very well, and am very familiar with the criticism against it. Am I fan? No. I will refrain from commenting on the author or her fans, I will only say this about the characters:

Bella is a co-defendant, selfish, reckless user who has no qualms with treating the people she "loves" like sh*t so she can get what she wants. Edward is sexist, a stalker, and takes his selfishness to a level even Bella can't trump. He believes Bella to be an invalid; he insists that she be "protected" and can't stand the idea of her being independent in any way. Bella has no capacity to be a person without him. She tries to kill herself when he leaves her, for God's sake.

The Twilight books are damaging to young girls. They put unrealistic ideals in their heads about love. The sheer level of the series' popularity scares me, honestly. Girls DO see Edward as the 'perfect' boyfriend, and it sickens me. The Mormon undertones in the books are embarrassingly blatant, and the 'plot' its self is a rip-off. It's my opinion the books are anti-feminist. As Britt said, Bella does not the capacity to function without a man defining her. She is disturbing to me, and not the message I think we should be sending to the tween generation. That's my two cents. Agree, disagree, whatever.
 
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Blondie Bear
Exact reason I'm staying out of it. One nasty fight was enough.
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Eleftheria
exactly what I don't like about Bella...she is unable to stand on her own!
Wishing Oceans
Wishing Oceans
EXACTLY :)
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Misty
Agreed.
The Chosen
The Chosen
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I dont see Edward as abusive at all either. I get the feeling Bella and Eddie is Stephanie Meyers fantasy of how she wishes her life was.
 
I really didn't like the fourth book - I think that is the one where the opportunity to salvage some dignity and character strength for Bella was completely lost. I loved the first book, enjoyed the second and third and have seen/will see movies based on them but my bottom will never touch a cinema seat to watch Breaking Dawn, no matter how much I'm in love with Robert Pattinson😉

Breaking Dawn bothered me so much that i re-wrote it: First Light: An Alternative to Breaking Dawn Chapter 1, a Twilight fanfic - FanFiction.Net

Also, in my experience, the younger girls (13 - 17) seem to prefer Jacob. It's the older readers who like Ed.
 
Joan the Vampire Slayer
Joan the Vampire Slayer
I'm totally Team Jacob.
To correct you, 2005 was the very beginning.

I was a fan in '07 and read all the books and have seen all the movies. They're good for what they are -- fluff, but I hate them now because everyone in my school obsessed over it. I know that's not a good reason to hate something, but it's kind of hard not to when you're surrounded by Team Edward vs. Team Jacob buttons.

And Edward is too sparkly to be abusive.
 
To correct you, 2005 was the very beginning.

I was a fan in '07 and read all the books and have seen all the movies. They're good for what they are -- fluff, but I hate them now because everyone in my school obsessed over it. I know that's not a good reason to hate something, but it's kind of hard not to when you're surrounded by Team Edward vs. Team Jacob buttons.

And Edward is too sparkly to be abusive.

Haha, no, by 2008 I meant the beginning of my reading Twilight. 😀

I really don't find them to be fluffy at all. I find them to be pretty disturbing to be honest. I feel that when you first read them and don't really think of them very much then they seem OK, not amazing, but OK. But you look beyond the pretty surface, you'll say that it's not the little fantasy that so many young girls seem to think that it is.

Like, when I first read it and didn't really think too much about it, it seemed great to me. Edward was amazing, it was funny, good romance, etc. I was a Twilight fan for like a MONTH there. I loved it. And then I started to hear what some of my Harry Potter friends online had to say about it. I didn't believe them at first, I was young 😀, but I listened, and read several essays on it. Then, BOOM, I suddenly as if by magic started viewing it the way that it really is: An unhealthy and dangerous relationship disguised as a perfect fairytale. And that's a scary thing.

Now, I've heard some people say that since Twilight is just a fiction novel we shouldn't put so much thought and consideration into it. Well, if this was just some random book then I'd agree, but this book is a national best-seller. It's an influence. It's more or less CULTURE. Therefore, I think that we have reason to care about what the next generation is being influenced by. 😉

Alright, and I'm slightly nervous that somebody is going to take offense to my next statement, but I guess I'll go ahead and say is anyway...

See, I think the reason that Twilight is so popular is because the main readers are teen/tween girls who have read practically nothing in their entire life, and therefore don't know what a good book really is. Now, I'm not trying to say that an adult is stupid if they read and enjoy the books, or even that a teen is. That's just the vibe that I generally get. 🙂

As for your last statement... Real vampires don't sparkle. :tongue3:

But no, seriously, I am pretty annoyed by how Twilight has disfigured vampires into fluffy kittens. They're rewriting mythology! Like, these aren't even vampires anymore, they're some weird new Sparklire or something... Deadlies? (As in Dead Lovelies. 😀 ) Lol, I dunno, but I certainly don't think of them as real vampires, they're TWILIGHT vamps, the exclusive sparkly edition...
 
I have read all the books and seen the movies, the only reason I carried on reading was for the wolf pack.

I find it really badly written , Mayer has no respect for her characters at all and its like she just made it up as she went along ( I have heard that she only intended to write Twilight but cos of all the hype she quickly wrote the other 3,so many this is why as they were so rushed and she was cashing in).

Breaking Dawn is terrible how she ties up the stories her characters is awful. I know it is fiction but even in a fictionous world none of it makes sense that it would happen.

I wanted Bella to become a strong independant woman and basically tell both Edward and Jacob to sod off in the end.

I think Edward is possesive and domineering yet I also think that Bella is manipulative and selfish.
 
My favorite part of the series was Breaking Dawn in the last part because it was just so.. I don't know, comic-esque the way all these superheroes with different powers were gathering for some big brawl and the heroine saves the day with her magical psychic shield. It was just so silly it was awesome.

As to the discussion, yea their relationship was very twisted. No argument from me. Although personally I've never met anyone who has actually hung it up as some great romance all guys and gals should aspire to have.
 
I love Twilight. I didn't want to love them. The whole time I was reading them the first time, waking up at 3 am and having to read them because I couldn't sleep, I wondered WTF was wrong with me. They are not well-written, though I think SM's style improved over the course of the series (and was much, MUCH better by the time she wrote The Host, though she'll never be a literary genius).

To me, the books aren't about Edward. I know that's all a lot of fans see, but he's secondary, as is Jacob. To me, the books are about Bella and her evolution. In Twilight, she's obsessed with Edward. He's beautiful and perfect and she doesn't deserve him. Much as we hate this, as adults who understand what a healthy relationship is all about, it's not unrealistic for teenage girls to react this way to boys. I know I did, only bella got the guy whereas for a lot of girls it's that unrequited crush. If you read Midnight Sun, you get the first part of Twilight from Edward's perspective, which definitely puts things in a new light. Edward certainly displayed some stalker-like behavior. So did I when I was a teenager. Lots of teenagers act like stalkers.

In New Moon, Edward leaves Bella for her own good, making her believe he doesn't want to be with her. If you put aside the vampire danger thing, this is condescending and disrespectful. Since he was worried his relative might kill her, I can kind of understand why he did it. I remember once my husband, before we were married, decided we should break up for my own good, because he was depressed and no good for me. I don't know what he expected from me, but that pissed me off royally. I asked him how he dared to make that kind of decision for me. Again, I don't think this happening is unrealistic. I also don't think Bella's devastated reaction is unrealistic. this was her first love, and a very intense one.

But over the course of the book we see her start to put herself back together. Not in healthy ways, with the adrenaline junkie behavior and substituting one guy for another. but again, is that unrealistic? From looking at my own life I say no, it's not. These are not uncommon ways of dealing with the loss of a relationship. Bella grows up here. She realizes she can live without Edward. She still thinks she can't be fully happy without Edward, but she's starting to see that her life can go on without him, and in time I think she'd have realized she COULD be happy without him. of course, that's where Alice shows up.

In Eclipse, we see the power shift in the relationship. At first, Bella is so happy edward is back, she accepts his possessiveness. But she now believes that he loves her, which she never really believed before. He does ridiculous things like take parts out of her car to keep her from going to see Jacob. But over the course of Eclipse, it becomes clear that Bella has the upper hand with both boys. In the end, the choice to marry Edward was hers; he ended up removing all his "conditions" and telling her he would give her whatever she wanted. And in Breaking Dawn Edward is almost a minor character, with the focus being on Bella, Jacob, then bella again, as Bella keeps necessary secrets and goes on to save the day almost single handedly.
 
I love Twilight. I don't think he is abusive, but definitley stalkerish. i.e when he watches her sleep before he knows her. He is very possesive and the relationship can't be healthy, but Bella does not care and is kinda obsessed with him back.
 
I have heard that she only intended to write Twilight but cos of all the hype she quickly wrote the other 3,so many this is why as they were so rushed and she was cashing in).

Not really. She wrote a sequel called Forever Dawn as a present for her sister. She never planned to have it published, then the publisher who bought Twilight convinced her to fill in the middle parts (the rest of high school) and make it into a series. Forever Dawn never was published. It was fleshed out and divided into the 3 books that actually did get published.
 
Not really. She wrote a sequel called Forever Dawn as a present for her sister. She never planned to have it published, then the publisher who bought Twilight convinced her to fill in the middle parts (the rest of high school) and make it into a series. Forever Dawn never was published. It was fleshed out and divided into the 3 books that actually did get published.

This is the version I've heard...

She wrote Twilight and Forever Dawn as a two book set and Forever Dawn was set some years after Twilight. The publisher took Twilight but rejected Forever Dawn. They asked if she could write two more books and keep them set in high-school. New Moon and Eclipse were the result. Inbetween the publication of books two and three she proposed that they publish Forever Dawn to finish the series - the publishers were not initially keen but Ms. Meyer fought for the book to be published - she wanted Renesmee to 'live' even though the publishers had reservations about that and other plot developments. Ms Meyer won and Forever Dawn was published as Breaking Dawn with a few minor changes to make allowences for New Moon and Eclipse. There is some suggestion that Ms. Meyer was much more invested in writing "The Host" than she was with Breaking Dawn and that is why the final book is kinda lame.
 
I liked Twilight before it was a hype, but Robert Pattinson as Edward and the fourth book totally ruined the series for me. Seriously, Edward and Bella getting married and Jacob falling in love with their daughter was what I'd read in fanfictions. I never believed it would actually happen! So when Breaking Dawn came out I was unpleasantly surprised. When I started watching Buffy I realised just how silly and lame Twilight vampires were (I mean no offence to any Twi-hards. This is just my opinion and I actually used to really like Edward. I was very pro-Edward and anti-Jacob once.) in comparison to Angel and Spike.

EDIT: also, that youtube video about Buffy vs Edward is hilarious and really makes him seem stalker-y. Anti-Twilighters and Buffy fans should look it up.
 
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Marisa
I saw the vid made me laugh :)
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