Twlight: Love it... or Hate it?

àŒ'll keep it short and sweet. Twilights craply pathetic. Darth Wanker, End of magic. what. Running out of ideas Joss.
 
SpikedBuffy said:
I would say if you've got the time, you should read them. If you get through the first one (which in my opinion is the better of all three) and you don't like it, then you can move on. It's not going to kill you to either read them or quit reading them if you don't like them. You just have to see for yourself.
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You see the people who I know who love the Twilight series, well, we read/watch the same things - mostly it's the people I know via their fanart sites so I think I probably will give it a whirl. 🙂
 
SpikedBuffy
SpikedBuffy
Then it'll probably be winner! :)
I hate it. Seriously, I'm all for romance and everything, but this book was just taking it to far into kitsch.
At the beginning I actually liked it, like when she was trying to find out what his deal was, but then when she knew he was a vampire it just went down so badly.
 
My friend recommended it to me a few months ago, and I considered reading it (figured, what the heck!). But after not being able to find it at the local libraries I was a little discouraged, and now that they have made a movie production of it I'm more hesitant than ever :silly:

It seems like a great story, but I've heard a lot of "it's a repeat of Buffy/Angel"-- which I think would really ruin the book for me! I'm really debating whether I should just leave it be and hate it with a passion for the bangel factor, or actually read it before I make a decision.

We'll have to see, I suppose I should make an informed decision though!
 
It is nothing like Buffy/Angel. Just like someone said before, would you compare Romeo and Juliet to Buffy and Angel? Um, no, because they are totally different characters in different worlds. Any media that has two unsuspecting people fall in love when they clearly shouldn't is not a knock-off of Buffy and Angel. These stories of unrequited love were being written way before the 'romance' of Buffy and Angel was created.

The world created by Meyer in these books is nothing like the vampire world we saw on Buffy. It is 100% different.
 
I can definitely see where the Buffy/Angel and Edward/Bella comparisons come from. They both have the whole vampire-human forbidden romance thing going on, they both include a "good" vampire that doesn't want to be a monster,
they both leave their human girlfriends to protect them (except Edward comes back and Angel doesn't.)
...I could go on. I even found an Edward/Bella video that uses clips of Buffy and Angel (which you can watch here; but, just a warning, spoilers may follow if you haven't read the entire Twilight series.)

They're similar at the heart, but overall, they're very different. I think there are two main differences; the first is the whole power issue. In Buffy and Angel's case, they both appear to be about equal in strength (although it has been suggested that Buffy is a little bit stronger.) In Edward and Bella's case, Edward is super strong and Bella's not; the fact that Edward has to constantly make sure he won't accidentally kill her plays into the whole "forbidden" aspect of their romance. *MAJOR SPOILERS WILL FOLLOW IN THIS NEXT PARAGRAPH, SO BEWARE!*

The second is the fact that Edward and Bella's relationship comes off as a more "eternal" love. Edward plans to turn Bella into a vampire so that they can be together forever, because in Edward's world, being a vampire isn't that bad...he has a whole family of good vampires that both he and Bella know, trust, and love. More importantly, after she's "turned," she's just the same person she was as a human only in vampiric form. In Angel's case, turning Buffy into a vampire is unheard of. Unlike Edward, as far as he and Buffy know, he's the only good vampire in the world. But the main problem is that Buffyverse vamps are, as Spike puts it, "evil, soulless things." She couldn't just learn how to be a good vampire like Bella can.

There are a lot of other, smaller differences, too (Edward finds Bella's blood more appealing than anyone else's, Bella's life doesn't circulate around killing vampires, Edward doesn't have the whole 'losing his soul' issue, Buffy's life wasn't normal before Angel came into the picture, etc.), but the former two are the biggies. Overall, I think I like Buffy and Angel's relationship more, mainly because Edward and Bella don't have enough flaws. Plus, it annoys me how Edward pretty much takes over Bella's life after they get together.
 
Is anyone totally obsessed over waiting until December until the movie comes out? I'm freaking out, because it feels like it's going to take forever.
 
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Crazy Flakes
I am! But I'm more excited for Breaking Dawn (WHICH COMES OUT IN 15 DAYS!)
I am revising my opinion. I'm still not in love with the series, but I read New Moon and am halfway through Eclipse and I've gotta say... it gets better. New Moon addresses the questions I had about the werewolves and even some of the questions about the vampires. Eclipse is delving further into both, as well. No word yet on why the parents are so infantile, but whatever. In these books, I see a new author slowly gaining the confidence to take more risks. She's getting better. I still hate Edward, though, and have no idea why anyone would ever like him. So far, the best thing even Edward fans can say is that he's physically attractive and that he loves her. When I bring up his control issues, (Hello! He BROKE her car so that she couldn't go visit a friend of whom he disapproves. He even paid his sister to KIDNAP Bella!) they shrug it off or see it as proof of his love. Why do people think overbearing, controlling, patronizing men = romance? Ugh!

That said, it's fun to have the Team Jacob/Team Edward debate at work. We're considering printing tee-shirts. I'm Team Jacob, in case anyone's wondering. Jacob has a personality, does FUN things with Bella, and doesn't lie to keep her safe or act like he's her prison warden.
 
SpikedBuffy
SpikedBuffy
Ahhhhh... my eyes! My eyes! Not team Jacob! :)
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Harley
I'm getting a Team Jacob shirt for the release of BD!
I'm still on the fence about Team Edward/Jocob, although i think I might be leaing onto Edwards side just a little bit more.

I actually really enjoyed the books (and might have Breaking Dawn pre-ordered) so I struggle to see why just because it's vampire/human love story, it has to be compared to Buffy and Angel's love story(who I love, and would love to make the whole universe be all about them, but alas, it's not).

I like them purely as a work of fiction - if you want to get used to Stephanie Meyer's writing style befoer getting into the Twilight fandom of love/hate, I'd say read The Host first (plus it's a little bit more grown up) and then once you like that, read the Twilight series
 
I read the first book, and won't be reading the rest of them. It's just not my style of vampire fiction. Personally, Anne Rice does it for me.
Meyer's writing style is a far cry from what I'm used to, and the roles her characters fall into seem a little forced... leaning towards an unrealistic love story falling downhill from when Bella discovers who Edward really is.
Of course, I was constantly comparing this book to vampire novels I've already read and to Buffy, and honestly, what can live up to those standards? Not a thing.

I recently went to the Anne Rice Vampire Ball in New Orleans with my school newspaper pass and interviewed a few people about vampire novels, other than the beloved Rice novels, they've read and enjoyed. I was not at all surprised to here Twilight and the following books didn't make the list.

Ah, but some people love them, especially the girls trapsing around my school.
More power to them... but I'll keep Lestat or my Angel warm... or cold... in bed with me thank you! =]

Kryptonite said:
Like Buffy and Angel are supposed to be Romeo and Juliet? Oh wait, like Romeo and Juliet are supposed to Tristan and Isolde?
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Hahahaha. Too true. Love story deja vu.
 
It really is true. You love it. Or you hate it.

🙂

As everyone knows, I LOVE it. I'm bouncing around the house right now, waiting for August 2. And then waiting for the movie.
But, I know that I tried to get my Grandma to read it, and she couldn't get past the third chapter. She hated it. I got my Mom to read it though, and she loved it like me.

But that's just the way it goes. Personally, I've never read an Anne Rice novel and have no desire to. And if I ever did, I may or may not hate it. You just never know.
 
Kryptonite said:
Are you going to a midnight release party?
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I wanted to, but I couldn't find any locations that were hosting them in my area 🙁 I pre-ordered Breaking Dawn on Amazon, though, so I don't have to worry about my local Barnes & Noble running out. I'm both excited and worried, 'cause the quotes of the day are pretty good so far (you can find them on stepheniemeyer.com), but I'm fairly certain it won't meet our expectations.

By the way, have you guys seen the new movie trailer?

YouTube - Official Twilight Teaser Trailer 2

Robert's still not my perfect Edward, but from what I've seen, he looks like he's going to do okay. I also had my suspicions about an African American guy playing Laurent (even though he's not a MAJOR part), but he, too, seems like he'll do a good job.

Aside from the reassurance about them, I did NOT like what I saw in this trailer. First off, Kristen's delivery at the very beginning was just awful. I can only hope that they just chose a bad moment to show off her acting. Then, there's the whole thing with the absence of the other Cullens. But my main problem with the trailer? "You brought a snack!" Cam's delivery was okay, but that writing is absolutely atrocious! I can't believe it's supposed to be creepy! *slaps forehead*
 
I have to admit that I was all geeked after watching the trailer. I know full well that this movie isn't going to be like the book, but its purely the fact (for me) that, for the first time since Buffy, something I'm obsessed about has gotten real recognition. The actors aren't the characters, the lines aren't all right, and a lot of it has been completely changed, but my favorite book is being made into a movie.

I've never been a huge Harry Potter fan, so this is a big deal to me. 😀






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Also, I'm under the suspicion that her parents find out that they're vampires. The quotes seem to imply that...unless, of course, that's their intention...


And on the trailer, the part where they are in the car and Edward pulls his hand away. That face he makes just nails the Edward I had in my head.
 
Kryptonite said:
And on the trailer, the part where they are in the car and Edward pulls his hand away. That face he makes just nails the Edward I had in my head.
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I agree. That look in the car after their hands touch is totally Edward. When I watch trailers, sometimes I think "Ugh... he is so not Edward" and then other times, I feel like he totally is Edward.

I'm going to the release party. I'm very excited about it!

I've also rented the movie Penelope, because at the beginning they have a little part about Twilight. Have you seen it? It shows them filming a bit, and then you get to see a little bit of scene... it's nice.
 
I know I YouTubed it because I don't care to watch Penelope, but I don't remember exactly what it was. I've watched so many clips so many times! Is it the clip where they're filming at the field trip and she asks how he stops the van?


ps. I know I've said this before but I'm so Team Jacob. Not necessarily because I think Bella should be with him. It's more because I should be with him...
 
The penelope scene is Bella and Edward going to his house for the first time. He shows her his room and they dance.
 
Yeah, I just saw the Penelope scene. I never thought I'd say this, but I'm really liking what I'm seeing of Rob! Still not entirely sure about Kristen, though...she just doesn't seem ordinary enough to play Bella. *shrugs*

Also, there's a new interview with Stephenie at Comic-Con (you can see it here), and it seems like she's pretty confident with what she wrote in Breaking Dawn. But there was one reason why I loved this interview...in part 4, when she's asked where she wanted to go in Comic-Con, guess what her immediate answer was? Joss Whedon's Dr. Horrible booth! Do you suppose she's watched Buffy and Angel since she first wrote Twilight, just to see what all the hubub was about, and became a fan? I sure hope so, 'cause it would be two of my favorite things colliding!
 
Crazy Flakes said:
Yeah, I just saw the Penelope scene. I never thought I'd say this, but I'm really liking what I'm seeing of Rob! Still not entirely sure about Kristen, though...she just doesn't seem ordinary enough to play Bella. *shrugs*
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I'm definitely agreeing with you here. I have never really liked Kristen Stewart, she just comes off as whiny to me. Not at all what I expected Bella to be like.

But Rob... I think he actually tried to really become the character, and most of the time, I see Edward. So, I'm thinking I might not be too disappointed in the movie!
 
Okay... so first off, the Breaking Dawn prom at my bookstore last night was way cute. I wore a dress, made an appearance, left to go get some food, then returned for my book at midnight. It was neat to see so many kids getting into it and enjoying reading. There were a lot of different age groups and a lot of different cliques present. Also, some of the dresses that the kids wore were way cute. Best of all, some of the more confident kids actually got up on the stage and danced. I am, like Bella, inept in all things requiring coordination and (unlike Bella) currently still in a brace and hobbling around with a crutch, so I was rendered totally jealous by watching those kids dance. It was fun, though. They were good dancers.

Anywho, so far, I really like Breaking Dawn. I feel like the conflict is arising more naturally from the characters and events in the series, now. I do question Meyer's decision to change her POV in Book 2, though. It seems like a radical departure from the previous books. Not that I mind being in Jacob's head. I like that kid. Still, I hope it doesn't mean that Meyer is losing her grasp on her main character.
 
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