Edmund Blackadder
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UK will not legislate on piracy
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Lindsey McDonald
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Police set to step up hacking of home PCs - Times Online
Maybe you ought to revoke your 'British pride' sticker for 'Gordon is watching you'.
Thats a whole lot of bull. Sure they may be able to get surfing patterns and emails through the ISP, but any decent firewall (actually any crappy firewall) makes it impossible for them to willy nilly browse your hard drive. Its a ridiculous notion.
Besides, its so easy to mask IP's and enable ip filtering (peerguardian, Hotspot shield etc) that its very easy to browse and download anonymously these days.
I think the biggest threat to the internet is ISP's and their so called 'fair-use' policies. Legal or Illegal, if you go over a certain amount, your 'unlimited' gets bumped down to just over 56k (virgin media anyway)... and this is legal.
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Uncle Rory
Your faith that no one is able to see what you are doing with a good firewall is maybe a little naive. Obviously Microsoft has given backdoor access to all intelligence agencies.
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If it wasn't possible, there'd be no point amending the law to make it legal. The police aren't 4chan hackers, they know what they're doing. The police in this country can also do things such as break into your house and install a keylogger, hack into your computer with a wireless network and email tracking viruses to suspects. Deciding that they can't be bothered tracking down every single pirate is not a reinstatement of our civil liberties.
If it wasn't possible, there'd be no point amending the law to make it legal.
Your right, they do have powers, just not as big as you think.
The police aren't 4chan hackers, they know what they're doing. The police in this country can also do things such as break into your house and install a keylogger,
No, THAT would require a warrant.
hack into your computer with a wireless network
128bit encryption is fairly easy to hack, again, very little information can be gleened from a wireless tap other than directly shared files, any firewall prevents this. MAC address assigned wireless networks alongside encryption... move along Mr. Policeman.
and email tracking viruses to suspects.
If they get the IP's permission yes, otherwise they cant even do this, no.
It comes down to instilling fear, the more fear corporations place on governments to do something, the more these kind of scare mongering tactics pop up. The more they scare the consumer who downloads (heck, even perfectly legal downloads are descriminated against with with Torrent blocking and Fair-use policies) the more affect they can have. Ultimately, dont believe everything you hear.
Instead of wasting money like this, they need to solve the root of the problem. Easy access to media. Torrenting tv shows and downloading music is just easy. Before itunes came along, everyone downloaded music illegally, once itunes showed up its amazing how these so called 'theifs' were willing to pay. It isnt about theft, its about convenience and getting these record industry execs and movie studios to shift there preconcieved notions about where the future of entertainment lies and how it is accessed.
Your right, they do have powers, just not as big as you think.
The police aren't 4chan hackers, they know what they're doing. The police in this country can also do things such as break into your house and install a keylogger,
No, THAT would require a warrant.
hack into your computer with a wireless network
128bit encryption is fairly easy to hack, again, very little information can be gleened from a wireless tap other than directly shared files, any firewall prevents this. MAC address assigned wireless networks alongside encryption... move along Mr. Policeman.
and email tracking viruses to suspects.
If they get the IP's permission yes, otherwise they cant even do this, no.
It comes down to instilling fear, the more fear corporations place on governments to do something, the more these kind of scare mongering tactics pop up. The more they scare the consumer who downloads (heck, even perfectly legal downloads are descriminated against with with Torrent blocking and Fair-use policies) the more affect they can have. Ultimately, dont believe everything you hear.
Instead of wasting money like this, they need to solve the root of the problem. Easy access to media. Torrenting tv shows and downloading music is just easy. Before itunes came along, everyone downloaded music illegally, once itunes showed up its amazing how these so called 'theifs' were willing to pay. It isnt about theft, its about convenience and getting these record industry execs and movie studios to shift there preconcieved notions about where the future of entertainment lies and how it is accessed.
Can I just say that I don't understand why politicians make such a big deal about filesharing (Well, maybe I understand, it just annoys me). Of course, it's not nice for the artist, especially if it's a beginning artist, who doesn't yet earn money for every single sigh he or she makes. But do they really have to ask ~20 euro for a lousy 12-track cd? I mean, I for example, have to choose quite regulary between spending 20 € on a cd or dvd, or spending 20 euro on food, shampoo and new socks, or whatever. And in most cases, I go for the latter option and download the cd. If I really like it, I can always buy it later, so that I have a nice booklet to go with it. Granted, this I do more often (well, basically, all the time) with music than with films. I have loads of dvds I yet have to watch. But then again, I don't know that many bands that really need every single euro to survive, and when I do know them, its most of the time impossible for me to get the cd because I don't have a credit card, and cds like that are not often available in your next door record shop. I really support artists, like radiohead, who help their fans by offering their albums online on a name-your-own-price basis. In fact, I support initiatives like that so much that I almost bought In Rainbows. But my dislike for Radiohead won and I bought a packet of chewing gum instead 😉
Uncle Rory said:
LOL.... it takes a government body such as FEMA 5 days to get a simple necessity such as water to the superdome yet when it comes to computers, you think your completely powerless to the government.
I'll give you a little statistic that may (or may not) ground your theory. The last episode of lost (S05E03) aired yesterday and has received (just on Torrents, excluding every other filesharing network and newsgroup sharing source) 2,234,000 total 100% illegal downloads. In 24HRS!! What government could possibly ENFORCE that???? Couple that with the fact that lost isn't even that popular of a show anymore and you'll realize just how overwhelmed any kind of governing body would be in trying to tackle this.
Again, it comes down to misunderstanding and a lack of a decent media outlet. The government, including the almighty US, can do nothing to stop this. And microsoft giving backdoors to intelligence agencies?????? Really???? Do you know how in depth microsofts source code is studied? Really? Do you have any understanding of this... Then again, i have to ask, what makes you think the CIA and NSA really give a rats ass about file sharing anyway??
This is one subject that really tickles me, this idea that we are powerless against the governments we elect. That we are somehow oppressed in our own free nations. And another thing, dont agree with me when you disagree with my post. I'm a man, i can take it 🙂