Understanding Political Parties in Different Countries!

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Politics can be really confusing, and they vary from country to country. What are the political parties like in your country? Do you ever find that when you try to explain your parties to people from other countries, they misunderstand your beliefs?
 
We used to have John McCain doing the translating for us. Now I don't know what we'll do.
 
I don't really talk politics with friends much, but on the receiving end, lol I just had a conversation with Faith yesterday that went something like this:

Faith: Woke up this morning and Boris Johnson is pm
Me: Did you have an election or is he just the interim?
Faith: The Tories are in power so they picked him
Me: So the party just gets to choose who they want?
Faith: They vote among themselves.
Me: That's weird.

lol
 
See, the confusing part about our political parties is that the Socialist party is considered center-left, kind of the like the American Democratic party, which can be super easily misunderstood. Our leftist party is the Podemos party, which is referred to as republican but is a leftist/ left-wing party.
 
America is a democratic republic, and therefore the two main parties had to be called the democratic and the republican party ... because that makes sense??
 
Foxy
Foxy
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People would think I'm taking the piss if I tried to describe the state of our politics at the moment.
 
Honestly I don't pay attention, I probably should since I'm nearly old enough to vote.
All I know is there's Labour, Conservatives and Liberal Democrats.
Well that and Brexit.
 
Think that's confusing? The Right-Wing party in Australia is called The Liberal Party (Left-Wing is The Labour Party).
I've always found the word liberal confusion, especially in relation to libertarian. These words have the same root, so they should mean the same thing, no? Isn't liberal in the sense of socially progressive a bit of an Americanism?

We have a Labour Party, too. We have loads of parties. I find it strange that countries with two main parties talk about a left and a right wing. If there is only one party on the left wing, then is that a wing?

I am trying to reconcile my image of Australians as chill surfer dudes with the fact that the HEMP party has zero seats in either house. Maybe all the Australian mothers were unable to wake their stoner sons up on election day.
 
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RachM
RachM
We have lots of other parties too. Labour and Liberal are the main ones, though. Last election I voted for the Hemp Party :D
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Yes, "liberal" has a different many in the US different from many if not most other nations. But if an American says "classical liberal" then they actually mean "libertarian." Neo-libs about the same, but like neo-con, typically a pejorative
I've found that I generally have to explain that, generally speaking, our Democrats are moderate right as opposed to far left (even the few genuine leftists among them are still close to center) while Republicans lean far right, at least in their rhetoric. Though rhetoric and posturing aside, they all tend to be centrists in their actions no matter how contentious the issue may seem online.

The real power is in the corporations, though it's not a direct power. And even the ultra-rich have to watch their step when they either screw up badly (like the Gulf Oil spill in which too many demanded a scapegoat) or if they're dumb enough to mock the government during an election year (say Martin Shkreli who would even impress Holland Manners with his audacity, and he ticked off the public with his openly contempt for both the public and the government--at the same time so many politicians were trying to impress voters and even the presidential candidates were warming up...had he said it at a different time he very well may have gotten away with it). What typically happens when executives are once again caught violating environmental and labor laws, or even ransacking the retirement investments of clients, is that they're fined a small percentage of the take and allowed to carry on, or at most fired with golden parachutes so they're not punished at all, just business as usual, but those not wealthy who got screwed over are out of luck.

Don't mention socialism in casual conversation. Many here can't tell the difference between that and communism, the latter evoking images of Stalin. Even plenty of Democrats steer clear of this.

Another example, the wealthy can build in dangerous areas that have to be regularly replaced (they do have to pay a little into some FEMA insurance program, but it would be the envy of anyone else) and get their mansions rebuilt at taxpayer expense which I don't recall Democrats decrying anymore than Republicans, but people with less money who lose their homes in a hurricane (who had to take what they could get unlike those who intentionally build their homes in dangerous areas) are out of luck who may find authorities indifferent to their plight, even if they have to fend off looters. Just one of the many examples of how Wall Street trumps Main Street, and why (through media owned by Wall Street) people can actually be happy to hear of every improving Dow and GNP even as inflation continues to negatively impact them (and buy financial advice that tells them to be sure to always sock away an amount into their savings when they don't even make that much to begin with).

Our FOX News has to be seen to be believed. Though I can relate to those who were unprepared for it. I first saw it at a fitness center and at first I thought I was watching a dry parody of right wing talk radio (it was actually Glenn Beck), and then realized this was the infamous FOX News (which I thought others had been exaggerating about, but nope, some of their reports are worthy of the Weekly World News). Heh, I mentioned a drinking game to play to it that could've gotten him killed (his parents kicked him out before he gave himself alcohol poisoning by taking a shot every time Bill O'Reilly referred to Obama snarkily as the Chosen One or whatever).

Those of you may find it surprising what we don't hear about. I understand the news of Obama's drone attacks were much more widely reported on outside the US, for example, while plenty of Americans were barely aware that such a program even existed (even FOX that was anti-Obama seemed to gloss this over, instead trying to portray him as spineless or even treasonous). Similar things could be said about Abu Ghraib, and most Americans simply didn't connect the sudden government hostility to the ICC if I recall correctly (it was some world court that dealt with war crimes) to that and other incidents. And the details of it weren't as rubbed in our faces and quickly forgotten than in many other nations. Even when the news is about the same, the emphasis will change (the covers of TIME and Newsweek have been shown to have very different covers by nation, and while some is just plain marketing, US politics are often a big factor in how they're marketed in the US).

An Argentina friend of mine was confused by Americans not wanting a "national ID" (at least many years ago) when her national ID (yes, for Argentina, and she was well aware of the problems of her own nation) was a lot less intrusive and used than many of the forms of ID that we use.

Take everything you hear about what someone said, be it Obama or Trump, with a grain of salt as it's often taken out of context (or defended with mind boggling excuses). Even so, I got more than one email from someone in a foreign country asking me about if a politician really said something so outrageous or tried something and it was actually true.


But much more importantly, if you meet a citizen who happens to be registered with one or the other, don't assume they're like the obnoxious ones you can see all too easily on TV and online ('course if they're wearing or spotting a lot of political paraphernalia then it's a bad sign). Many are decent people who don't mindlessly march in step with the rhetoric of their party, and can cringe at the fanatics as well as having much more moderate views who can be quite critical of politicians of their party (not that they give other parties a break). And some are actually what are called "single issue voters" who primarily care only about one issue and typically side with the party they think is most likely to push that agenda in their favor, and so can be fanatics in that way but will otherwise surprise you, even seeming like they should be in the other party. In any case, many are individuals, not acting like body snatched pod people with an attitude, and actually care about America (and sometimes the rest of the world) more than they care about their own party (whereas others only care about their party and to hell with everyone else, including other Americans).

It's also worth noting that many here do not vote and are not registered with either party, or any party. I'm too lazy to look it up, but I think about half of eligible voters actually do during presidential elections (and probably as many are voting AGAINST the other more than for the one they're holding their nose to vote for) and even less than that in other elections. In many places it's taboo to bring up politics at all, and even people who are willing to discuss politics may have personal family rules of not discussing it while eating, for example. If you're a tourist with money it should be very easy to avoid any political discussions you don't want to have. You'd probably find our airport security extreme, but it's one all Americans have to face, not just you.

And all the "third parties" is even more "fun" to explain, as are the grassroots movements and citizen pushed initiatives.

This is all off the top of my head (and I know I left out some specific exceptions above). I could add a lot more (good gods I just realized how long this is!) and maybe I will later after I've had some time to mull it over on how I'd explain it to someone I just met (and whose country of origin I'm not sure of).
 
Here in Canada, we currently have the Progressive Conservatives, about as oxymoronic as you can get, that is the equivalent to the Republicans in the US, the Liberals who are roughly the equivalent to the Democrats in the US and the New Democratic Party which is owned and operated by unions and caters to the unions and welfare recipients. At one time we had the Social Credit party that issued money that was usable for anything but payments to the government, including taxes. Yes, it was just as stupid as that sounds.

The advantage of the three-party system is that the most popular two parties cannot enter into a gentleman's agreement to not raise certain issues because the lowest ranking party can be certain to bring everything up that they don't want to because stirring the pot and bringing things up to make them look bad is a good tactic for them. When Trump got in, his platform was to address two cans that had been kicked down the road for the past five decades: immigration and offshoring. This could not happen here because there would be no way to keep sensitive issues out of the news when there is a third party that wants to embarrass the other two.

In spite of who we vote for, the real government in all countries is the central bank, Bank of Canada or Bank of England or Federal Reserve Bank in the US. In 2000, the only countries that did not have a central bank owned by the Rothschilds were Cuba, Libya, Sudan, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan and North Korea. These banks are not owned by the countries that they issue money for, they are privately owned companies. We may hem and haw about getting into wars but war against all seven of these countries is foreordained because it is all about making sure that no country can issue its own money, it has to use money issued with interest from these banks. Every once in a while (like 2008) they destabilize the economy to ensure more money goes to them. The US paid 700 billion to the Federal Reserve Bank to cover loans to other banks.
 
Now England has Boris Johnson as Prime Minister, there is hope that America will be friends with England again now that the guy that sell his hair (as wigs) to D. Trump again. To be honest Trumpy-poos hair was looking a bit bedraggled.
 
Here the parties with most power are left leaning. My country is ruled by a foreign country, by a party that's not won a popular vote here in around 70 years. So that's a good laugh.

I'm also constantly astounded at the arrogance and pure ignorance people have when talking about my country or its politics, while never having lived here. That's also a good laugh. I miss having Faith around to school the fools.
 
The three main parties in the UK are Conservative (Right), Liberal Democrats (Centre) and Labour (Left). Ignore the place on the political spectrum, Brexit has ensured it's meaningless. We don't discuss anything but Brexit. On that note, we also have The Brexit Party. As the name suggests, they have no policies other than Brexit. Hopefully, this short shelf live means that on 1st of November they'll be mush at the bottom of the fridge. I suspect everyone, regardless of political leanings, votes for them but only in European elections. Leavers vote for them because they'll liberate the UK from Adolf Hitler and the oppressive yoke of European fiefdom . Remainers vote for them in the hope Europe will find it in their heart to let the UK live in the shed at the bottom of Europe's garden. We also have UKIP. No one votes for UKIP anymore. Everyone throws milkshakes at them. There are other parties involved in the running of the UK but no one takes them seriously because, unlike the English, they have strange accents. No-one knows what a backstop is.

Our Prime Minister lives at 10 Downing Street. This is our new PM.


That was an old video. This is Larry. He also lives at 10 Downing Street.


Larry is Chief Mouser at Downing Street. This means he's probably the most productive and useful member of the cabinet. Chances are he'll last longer than most of the members. Our cabinets have less durability than an Ikea cabinet built by someone who doesn't know what an Allen key is. They also have the combined intelligence of a piece of MDF.

@Buffy Summers - define weird.
 
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Buffy Summers
Buffy Summers
That you now have a PM the country didn’t vote for.
Here the parties with most power are left leaning. My country is ruled by a foreign country, by a party that's not won a popular vote here in around 70 years. So that's a good laugh.
You have your own parliament, but you also get to send MPs to Westminster to vote on English laws, so who rules who?
 
Bluebird
Bluebird
Do you actually know anything about Scottish politics though? It may give you more insight if you education yourself on it instead of being wilfully ignorant.
I'm also constantly astounded at the arrogance and pure ignorance people have when talking about my country or its politics, while never having lived here. That's also a good laugh. I miss having Faith around to school the fools.
Excellent point.

You have your own parliament, but you also get to send MPs to Westminster to vote on English laws, so who rules who?
 
Bluebird
Bluebird
Talk about proving my point
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