Understanding Political Parties in Different Countries!

Isn't it kind of true for most people that it's bloody annoying to have people talk about their country's politics without having lived there? We have a ton of threads on American politics, even threads on politics in individual states like Georgia, and I'm not even sure we have a member who lives in Georgia here. Non-Americans, including myself, are usually not shy to comment on these. *shrug*

I say comment as you please, but if someone from that country corrects you, it might be a good idea to listen to them.

Politics can be really confusing, and they vary from country to country. What are the political parties like in your country? Do you ever find that when you try to explain your parties to people from other countries, they misunderstand your beliefs?

Mostly it's annoying when people think we're some kind of non-capitalist super-socialist state and that things like healthcare is without problems because of it (it isn't). But mostly it isn't annoying because no one really cares about what's going on in politics here.

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nightshade
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I think White Avenger is from Georgia
ILLYRIAN
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Yes nightshade he does, from Rome I believe.
Labour is the sort of left to centre left party. Lib Dems kinda the same with less baggage from Trade Unions and possibly hard(er) left. The Conservatives are the right wing party - they're a bit less libertarian than the Republicans (because they know abolishing the NHS at least overtly would be political suicide) and some of them are more socially liberal (a Conservative PM legalised gay marriage in a Con majority government). Brexit splits both the Con and Lab parties but Johnson is very pro it. I think he's pretty hard right but mainly in it for himself. The Lib Dems think it's a mistake. Brexit party are pro Brexit and UKIP are dead in the water their decision to run toxic right wing bleeplords on the internet's as candidates didn't help. The cluster eff that was Sargon of Akaad's election campaign was one of the few bits of political news of later that cheered me up. I hate that dude he's a POS.
 
The largest parties in the Republic of Ireland are Fine Gael (centre-right), and Fianna Fáil (also centre-right). We have a lot of smaller parties too such as Labour (centre-left), Sinn Féin (left) and People Before Profit (far-left) along with some Independents. Fine Gael is currently the governing party in Ireland.
 
Lib Dems kinda the same with less baggage from Trade Unions and possibly hard(er) left.
Most of that's alright as an overview but this bit isn't true. The Liberal Democrats are a neoliberal party. Their new leader is more Tory than a lot of Tories.
 
Norway is a super-sosialist state run by a coalition of the Conservative Party and Progress Party (They like fast cars, fast boats, alcohol, foreign sex workers, old people and people who aren't Muslim). It's a non-majority government, so they are supported by the Christian Democratic Party and the Liberal Party—known to us as the Left Party, but they are a pretty far right party, despite being one of the parties most concerned with ecology and climate change.
 
Can I throw in an additional question into this thread? For countries that have a more-than-2 party system (and not like the US, where every though there are other parties allowed there really are only 2), do you think that works in your country? Do all parties have an equal chance of winning elections?
 
Seems to me that UK politics at the moment makes it almost impossible to identify a coherent party political line premised on traditional divisions. If there hadn't been fissures and fractures within parties we probably wouldn't be in the mess we're in now. In short, I've no bloody idea what's happening. All I can honestly say is - whatever it is, I don't like it. I've never known the country to be so divided and politics so openly divisive. I lived through the Miners' strike. My father was an NUM convener. I know families that were riven by it, people that died because of it. I know one guy who died from self-immolation while his wife was helping out at a soup kitchen. It was bad but at least you knew what you were fighting for and battling against.

Now...I feel I have to hold my nose before casting a vote.

Do all parties have an equal chance of winning elections?

We don't have proportional representation so probably not. For instance, in the 2017 General Election, the Tories had 42% of the overall vote, Labour had 40%. This resulted in 318 parliamentary seats for the Tories, while Labour only won 262 seats. Smaller parties can get a significant number of votes but it doesn't translate to seats.

Useful article here: How would parliament look under Proportional Representation?
 
Can I throw in an additional question into this thread? For countries that have a more-than-2 party system (and not like the US, where every though there are other parties allowed there really are only 2), do you think that works in your country? Do all parties have an equal chance of winning elections?

We have had this situation in Canada for a long time. If the winning party does not get more than a 50% majority of seats (and becomes a minority government), the second and third parties can get together to vote against a money bill and if the leading party loses, they concede the government and have to either give control to the coalition of other parties or call an election. This happened to the Progressive Conservatives in 1983 in Canada when they went ahead with a vote without having enough people present in the House. Idiots, they knew the rules and they deserved to lose if they couldn't count. Say the winning party gets 45% of the seats, the second party gets 40% and the third gets 15%, the third party has the balance of power, meaning if they can get the second party to vote with them against an expenditure, they can topple the government.

This gives the third party a lot of power to ensure bills they don't favour do not get presented in the House and minority ideas of theirs can get made into law if they can get a willing partner. Medicare was brought about by Tommy Douglas who as a child faced the threat of losing his leg due to an infection caused by an accident. A surgeon was willing to operate for free and saved his leg when his family could not afford to pay. He never forgot that and introduced medicare in Saskatchwan and the rest of the country looked at it and thought it was a good idea. (This is a bit if a simplification - he went back and forth between provincial and federal candidacy and was not always elected but he is now regarded as the greatest Canadian politician ever.)

BTW there is a Buffy connection here - his daughter Shirley moved to LA and was arrested for being associated with a program to feed poor black children. Her father was proud of her for that but it also caught the attention of Donald Sutherland who met and married her and also played Merrick in the Buffy movie. Kiefer Sutherland is her son.
 
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Very interesting - thanks :)
Can I throw in an additional question into this thread? For countries that have a more-than-2 party system (and not like the US, where every though there are other parties allowed there really are only 2), do you think that works in your country? Do all parties have an equal chance of winning elections?
I would say that it works for us in Spain! We have a LOT of political parties, and the parliament has quite a few seats held by other parties. For instance, our Congress of deputies has this composition:
350 seats
PSOE (Socialist party, center-left to left): 123 seats
PP(Centre-Right to Right Wing): 66 seats
Cs (Center right): 57 seats
UP(Podemos party) (Left Wing): 42
Vox (Right wing): 24
ERC (All about Catalan's independence): 15
And there are quite a few more with under 15 seats.

Our Senate is smaller, but similar, though more dominated by the PSOE and PP.
 
Honestly, it's kind of funny because in Spain I am a republican. However, in Spain republicanism simply means that you believe that the monarchy should be abolished in favor of a republic of the people. It is actually quite leftist, not like American republicanism at all. Though I suppose that most American Republicans would not want a monarchy either.
 
Yes - the idea of American Republicanism is preserving the powers of the states, whereas the American Democrats want (simplistically) more central government control. So, really, it is a similar thing.
 
Yes - the idea of American Republicanism is preserving the powers of the states, whereas the American Democrats want (simplistically) more central government control. So, really, it is a similar thing.
I suppose, but republicanism in America is more similar to our PP. Which is more conservative, and less socialist. A lot of republicans here are socialists. They are called "conservative" for a reason.

And the monarchy isn't really "the central government", it's just a bunch of rich people who have privilege for no real reason. Our parties on the right, and the ones I have met who like the republican party in America, are almost always anti-republican. Abolishing the monarchy doesn't do much for central government control, to be honest. The parliament/ prime minister would probably get more powerful because of it, not less.
 
I do believe the best party name is Mexico's Institutional Revolutionary Party. Perhaps the concept makes more sense in Spanish. Also, Germany has a Christian Democrats and Social Democrats, which also makes sense in German history.

Re: US; American Party Names mean nothing. They are just marketing slogans for broad appeal, nothing more. They exist primarily because in the Electoral College, second place is first loser. Don't try to analyze the names, it's not like in Europe where the names are descriptive. Things like liberal and conservative don't even mean the same things in both America and Europe. You would be best served looking at ideological preference regarding economic and social issues, and race as for whom the parties serve.
 
Can I throw in an additional question into this thread? For countries that have a more-than-2 party system (and not like the US, where every though there are other parties allowed there really are only 2), do you think that works in your country? Do all parties have an equal chance of winning elections?
"Winning" the election becomes little more complicated when you have many parties. The Labour Party has the most seats at the moment, but they are not in government, so you could say they lost the election. Two terms back, Labour used to be in coalition with the Socialist Left Party and the Centre Party. These three parties still have more seats than the current government, which consists of the Conservative Party and the Progress Party. The current government is therefore only able to govern through a deal they've made with the Christian Democratic Party and the Liberal Party. The winners of the last two elections are really the Progress Party, as they have never enjoyed this kind of influence of a federal level.

There was a recent power struggle within the Christian Democratic Party about whether they should ally themselves with the left wing rather than the right wing of the spectrum, because the Christian Democrats are pro immigration and the Progress Party is basically our version of UKIP. It got quite heated, and they ended up electing a more conservative leader that is now moving the party further to the right. If the old leader of the party had won, then we would have a left leaning government today run by the Labour Party.

The smaller parties actually have more power than they really should have. The Christian Democrats have enough seats to topple the balance between Labour and the Conservatives. They are in a good position to ask for political favours. They have gotten quite a bit of backlash for being too demanding, especially during this term, as they tried to change the abortion laws.

I think having several parties makes things easier. You vote for the party that represents your beliefs best. Even if your party is a small one, they may still affect how the country is run. When the Conservatives were in coalition with the Christian Democrats and the Liberal Party, they ran the country very differently from now that they are in coalition with the Progress Party. Before that, the Christian Democrats were the party that had to placate two smaller coalition members.

I don't really vote, so I don't know, though.
 
Amazing isn't it how voting areas are specified by governments, usually to benefit their political party not the populations benefit. But just when you think you understand how the government in your country operates, they go and change the 'playing field'.
And should you wish to understand the politics in another hospital, you find the population doesn't speak English!
 
looked in earlier today and saw a couple of thing in 2 other threads that I thought I'd add here, to expand on not making too many assumptions about someone who is registered with one party or another (though those assumptions will be true of some of them).


One worked on Democrat elections committees, so it's hard to get more Democrat that that among the everyday people. But even she wanted a clamp down on illegal immigration because it undermined unions and labor laws (and also thought they should work to straighten up their countries) in addition to coming down hard on those who hired illegal immigrants (and for those familiar with D&D alignments as I know at least a few here are, I'd place her squarely in the Lawful Good camp).

That said, she also wanted a much reformed immigration system that would make it immigrate much easier (the way the laws are set up now are actually to support big biz for the most part), and of course those seeking asylum for legite reasons should get it (though the US shouldn't be the only nation to do so, and would point out plenty of other nations would also work). Despite this, she was still dismissed as a racist by many she worked with, much to her frustration. She'd have probably approved what the Bush administration was coming up with before 9/11 though as she loathed him she'd be cynical it would've still been something she could support once the final bill was up for vote (and now it's a moot point).

That said, she tended to be typical in many other areas and had no love for the Republican Party. She and I clashed on the issue of guns, but I know plenty of Democrats comfortable with them. I included her because of some comment I saw in one thread or the other which made me want to share about her.




Another woman became an almost a single issue voter that made her Republican. She had been the victim of sexual violence, and what she went through in the hospital and legal system infuriated her even more. She became quite passionate about the right to self-defense (thus carrying guns), and in the legal system showing greater compassion for victims while harsh on criminals, getting some people off the streets for good (and if you knew her experience you'd understand why she was so passionate about it, she never wanted that to happen to anyone else, nor her again). The Republican Party seemed most conducive to this agenda (*), so she joined (I suspect her family being Republican also contributed to it).

But outside these issues she was liberal, supporting welfare and asylum, universal health care, equality under law for gays and lesbians, and so on, and also considered herself a feminist.

However, these all took a back seat to her 2 passions and so was a Republican. And if you were to ask her how she, as a feminist, could support some of the Republican politicians for things they said and issues they pushed for, she'd point out that the Democrats are full of cringe-worthy and problematic candidates and voting records as well, she'd describe them, and she'd be right. This wouldn't be to excuse the Republicans who did and said such things which bothered or even disgusted her (I lost contact with her around 2010 but I bet she voted against Trump, though I know she loathed Hillary as well) but she'd say this is a societal problem that isn't going to be solved by partisan politics as it infects both of them, and she wanted the streets safe first and foremost (she cared about other issues, just not anywhere as much, and she overall supported the VAWA--Violence Against Women Act--by the Democrats, but she did have some quibbles about it).

(* It's been said that a conservative is a liberal who has been mugged, though someone else retorted then a liberal is a conservative who has been arrested.)


And I remember a guy who said he was voting for Trump despite that he normally voted Democrat, not because he believed in him (he thought he was...well I'm not sure I'm allowed to say that word, though I think the trolls of the internet he exchanged insults with desensitized him to a lot that Trump said and he may have even approved of his attitude if nothing else), but because he hated Hillary Clinton, for multiple reasons but especially because of her crusade against video games in the past (**). It may seem petty, but gaming was his life, and he loathed several Republican candidates for the same reason he loathed Hillary.

He also disliked the PUMAs that tried to replace Obama with Clinton in 2008, and glad they got payback/karma in 2016 from Sanders supporters. I tried to change his mind, but his mind was set, though his vote for Trump was actually a vote against Hillary. We remain friends and I don't see him as either a racist or misogynist (he knows I voted for Hillary as an Independent voter, though he also knows I'm sympathetic to his loathing of her, and he still gets along with me as well).

(** Btw, he was referencing Hillary joining with Republicans in wanting to wage another crusade against video games in 2008, IIRC, though basically it's just a way to make parents feel better about not being better parents and thus getting votes, and as a distraction from other issues that politicians would rather the public not look at. Though she did make some Democratic noise about the "misogyny" of the game, and the violence, her primary obsession seemed to be that sex and nudity were available--though much if not all of it all was ONLY with a hacker's cheat codes, but as a non-player myself I'm fuzzy on the details--rather than the actual violence, including the name of the game.

That is it was more puritanical that kids might see naked boobs or encounter a vanilla sex scene, and that's just one of lesser reasons why I list her as a moderate right winger--as opposed to the far right of the Republicans, which Hillary worked with and this gamer hated them as well. I remember thinking the whole thing was dumb because kids weren't even allowed to buy them so parents either didn't care, or they sucked at parenting, and kids could sure find a lot worse online without even trying. Plus, many adults who did complain about GTA were also fans of shows like The Sopranos and such, and thus thought they didn't have much room to talk.)


Anyway I'm out of time or I'd share other examples of how one should be careful about making assumptions against someone for which party they vote for and/or are registered with (maybe later I'll share of that Republican who finally left the Republican Party and went Independent after Trump got the nod).

One last thing! There is an American Independence Party or some such as one of our "third parties" here. That's not what I mean by Independents here, but rather unaffiliated with any party, be it Republican or Democrat or dozen of third parties out there.
 
America is a democratic republic, and therefore the two main parties had to be called the democratic and the republican party ... because that makes sense??
As a American, we did have political parties that was British names like the Whig party. And we also had the Federalist party as well as a main party. The main parties being the Democrat party and Republican party has not changed since the American civil war. It is a strange fact, what was a Democrat in 1865 and what was a Republican in 1865 have flipped from what they are today. Take the birth of the Republican party during the 1860's, in 1860 the value of slavery was worth 4.5 billion dollars and the federal budget never topped over one billion until the 1880's. Of all the millionaires in 1860, 2/3rds were slave owners. With slave owners, 40% of slave owners were women, So, the wealthiest feminist in American history was a slave owner. All this happen because of Democrat policies. And what did the Republican party do, they took away the wealth of 2/3rds of millionaires, they abolished the second largest source of wealth in America, slavery, were the first source of wealth was land property. Lincoln, was writing to and back with Karl Marx. Lincoln, is the only president who had a outright and confirmed communist as a general in the military. The communist general, was a foreigner from Germany, was not a American citizen, and he was such a deeply convinced communist -- when he was in the United Kingdom -- he was trying to kill Karl Marx because he believed Karl Marx was not a communist enough.

Whenever a current Republican ever tells me socialism does not work: I look at the person and ask, if socialism does not work -- then explain the civil war amendments. The amendment to abolish slavery, took away the wealth of 2/3rds of millionaires -- is that not socialism? The amendment to give all people born within the United States the right to citizenship -- is that not socialism? The amendment to give former slaves who were male the right to vote -- is that not socialism? The greatest socialist president America ever had, was Lincoln and he is on the American currency. But a Republican today, would be screaming and saying: food stamps, what a waste of government money and what a socialist program that is.

On the other hand, the Democrat party, the was founded on slavery, supported slavery so much that they as a party formed their own country called the Confederate States of America. As a political party, they raised a army and navy and fought the United States government. The Democrat party, was white nationalist. Today, the Democrat party gets the support of 90% of the African American community. Today, the Democrat party support people from all parts of the world. Today, the Democrat party wants to use soft power and tries to use peace to settle disputes. Today, the Democrat party supports socialism.

Since the end of the American civil war, both political parties, have flipped.
 
Seems to me that UK politics at the moment makes it almost impossible to identify a coherent party political line premised on traditional divisions. If there hadn't been fissures and fractures within parties we probably wouldn't be in the mess we're in now. In short, I've no bloody idea what's happening. All I can honestly say is - whatever it is, I don't like it. I've never known the country to be so divided and politics so openly divisive.

Now...I feel I have to hold my nose before casting a vote.

@TriBel

Are you sure your not a American? Like in America, you cannot use the coherent party political line premise on traditional divisions. Take the Republican party, Nixon and Ford, to liberal for the party today. Reagan, just the polar opposite of Trump and is being abandoned. Both Bush presidents, to internationalist, to pro Europe, to much supporting neocon ideologies, and to much supporting international rules and agreements. We have Trump today, but he is not a conservative as we understand a conservative since the ending of World War II. As I tell may people, if you want to understand the Trump Administration dealing with foreign policy, then you need to understand the foreign policy and tactics of the British East India Company. If the British East India Company was around today, would the company's mission statement and business policies be different than the Trump Administration. Looks how Trump looks at China, all he cares about is trade with China to be pro-American for the international community. Whatever China does with internal politics, like the current problems with Hong Kong -- the Trump Administration does not care. What is the difference with Victorian England demanding China tea, and does not care what happens with China internal politics with forcing China to purchase opium to get their citizens to become drug users.

With both political parties in America, the arguments about human rights, the arguments about social justice, the arguments about supporting equality -- these foreign policies have been rejected by the Republican party, and being a paradox with the Democrat party. Democrats have tried soft power, and tried slowly trying to change countries internal polices under the banner of social justice. The Republicans have used hard power, and given us endless wars and policies that enrich a few Americans. America is moving to not be a superpower, even that it still has the most powerful military. America is going to face this problem very soon, China will become the strongest economy in the world, and in time India will become the second strongest economy in the world too. America can justify being the strongest military in the world because it is the strongest economy in the world. But, America cannot justify being the strongest military in the world when the strongest economy is China when it gets into the 2030's.

Look, I understand your country is moving away from the European Union and wants to engage the United States and become more interconnected economically. That is what the Trump Administration wants to see and wants to happen. Still, even if he get reelected in 2020, he will be leaving office on January 20, 2025. America is moving into the same position as the United Kingdom faced with the dismemberment of the British Empire during the 1950's and 1960's. The United Kingdom is leaving the European Union, and will be leaving behind bad feelings and leaving with having be thought as a bad actor with the rest of Europe. When Trump leaves office, and when China overtakes the United States as the strongest economy in the world -- the United States will not want to be interactive with the United Kingdom.

The problem with American politics today is, they need to support of voters who understood America after World War II, or America during the 1950's or the 1960's or any other past decade. American politics is about looking at the past, and build a utopia with the dream someone had during their 20's. Americans are not in their nature to be rationalist, they are idealist. Someone who was a teenager or in their 20's during the 1960's, and they see what is happening now, they will be building utopias for what they think America will be like decades from now. We can build rational models of the 2030's and 2040's, but the voter who came to age in the 1960's -- well, they still vote and you need that person to vote for you. There utopia dream, and the rational facts on the ground, makes them a very unhappy voter, if they decide to be a voter.
 
Are you sure your not a American?
No...I'm definitely not American. I'm British. I think the confusion arises because Boris and Trump both have equally bad hair.
America is moving into the same position as the United Kingdom faced with the dismemberment of the British Empire during the 1950's and 1960's.

Not to worry, I think the plan in the UK is to go back to the 50s - quite possibly the 1850s or some other time before the sun set on the Empire. Jacob Rees-Mogg’s instructed his staff to use only imperial measurements and give non-titled males the suffix Esq. 🙄

As testimony that the country's going to hell in a handcart, on the day Boris vowed to make Britain great again, the English cricket team were beaten at Lords by Ireland who dismissed them for 85 in just under four hours. 🤭 Don't you just love it when a plan comes together? Proof, if proof is needed, that God's an ironist. 😒
 
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