Unpopular Opinions About Buffy/Angel

What's with everyone saying that they like or love Angelus qualifies as an unpopular opinion? Wasn't he voted the best bad guy ever a while back? I thought liking or even loving Angelus was normal.

Or is it just liking Angelus more than Angel that puts you in the unpopular camp? If so, just call me a rebel. Angel was never half so cool as when he was Angelus. Angel was mopey and annoying. Angelus was... just a joy to watch, especially with Darla, Dru, and Spike.
 
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StuckinTraffic
Loving Angelus is totally normal, in my book, anyway!
I've been re-watching Seasons 4 thru 7 while I'm off work, and I'm beginning to feel that Spike deserves a helluva lot more than Buffy, and Buffy DESERVES to be stuck with Ol' Broody. They can sit around together and cry all day. Spike deserves a helluva lot better. He needs to set his sights on Faith! I think they'd make a great team. (Toss in Illyria, and you've got the makings of a classic team up).
 
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Blondie Bear
He deserves ME!
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tearsong
Indeed!
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disco biscuit
Ahaha, Blondie Bear, I second that!
I've been re-watching Seasons 4 thru 7 while I'm off work, and I'm beginning to feel that Spike deserves a helluva lot more than Buffy, and Buffy DESERVES to be stuck with Ol' Broody. They can sit around together and cry all day. Spike deserves a helluva lot better. He needs to set his sights on Faith! I think they'd make a great team. (Toss in Illyria, and you've got the makings of a classic team up).

I soooooo agree. I always thought Spike and Faith would have been great together. While he wasn't my favorite version of Spike in S7, he was still Spike. Both of them had done a lot of growing by then, were as Buffy seemed to have regressed to me. They totally would have been better suited.

Tho, I have to admit in another sortof unpopular opinion around my camp, I really like Spike and Angel. Now that's chemistry. Not so much romantically ya know, but I love how they play off one another. Evil, good, it doesn't matter, these two were good together.
 
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Only after seeing Season 5 could I have believed just how well those two played off against ach other. You'd think that they (th actors) had known each other as long as their characters had and hated each other all of that time.
I soooooo agree. I always thought Spike and Faith would have been great together. While he wasn't my favorite version of Spike in S7, he was still Spike. Both of them had done a lot of growing by then, were as Buffy seemed to have regressed to me. They totally would have been better suited.

Tho, I have to admit in another sortof unpopular opinion around my camp, I really like Spike and Angel. Now that's chemistry. Not so much romantically ya know, but I love how they play off one another. Evil, good, it doesn't matter, these two were good together.

Wait, the Spike and Angel had good chemistry opinion is unpopular, too?

Crap. Are all of my opinions unpopular? I loved their scenes together. They played off of one another fabulously. They were always so funny! Even the first time we see them together was great ("You were my Yoda!")

You know, the funny season 6 scene in which Spike doesn't know "Mr.... Fett?" from Adam always sort of bothered me because of that. He knows Star Wars! He referenced it.
 
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Nah, Spike and Angel aren't unpopular round here, just with the few Buffy friends I happen to know in my inner circle of friends.
I hated Joyce, and only felt bad that Buffy was loosing a "mom", but was sooooo glad to see her go.
I loathe Kennedy, and Dawn for that matter. I was sad to see dawn NOT die.
Anya is much better as a vengance demon then a regular crew member... she made me laugh but I way preferred Xander and Cordy to Anya and Xander 'ship. Hated most the big bads after season 3 of buffy.... glory and adam were boring and trite and the geeks were so dumb and still the scoobies struggled against them mightily????
Buffy intermittently gets on my nerves... and a LOT by season 7... I feel she is wayyyyy to whiny.
Jenny/Giles always felt weird to me... her character was way too hastily thrown together.... Giles shoulda hooked up with that chick from London or Anya.
 
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Phena Williams was terrible playing Giles' English mistress in Season Four. I abhorred her acting. And her English accent sounds woefully fake, AND SHE IS ACTUALLY FROM ENGLAND!
 
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tearsong
I thought she was very pretty... I had hoped they'd flesh her out more.... I didn't have a good picture of her acting... and I can't remember her accent...
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disco biscuit
Ahhh, I agree...the people that cast in Buffy sometimes choose really bad actors. Namely Glory...yikes.
I wasn't touched by "The Body", but I like "Inca Mummy Girl".

I think Bangel was more annoying than Cordy & Connor.

As sexiness goes, I think Faith ranks mediocre among the women of the Buffyverse.
 
I like the Buffy/Riley relationship.
I don't like Spuffy.
I did not care for Tara and I prefer Oz.
I like Kennedy.
I don't like Season 5 of Buffy.
I think Season 4 is the best Buffy season and I love the Initiative.
I like Season 6 and think it's the funniest Buffy Season (for the most part).
I hate Glory.
I like Adam.
I hate the Xander/Anya song in Once More With Feeling (not sure if this one is popular though).
The Body and The Gift (even though they are two of the best episodes of Season 5) didn't move me at all, but I cried after Xander's speech in Potential.
I love the concept of Connor.
I don't like Spike and Faith in Season 7 (but I love them before and after that).
I love Andrew (is he really that unpopular?).
I think Willow became a bit too powerful (but I love Dark Willow).
I love Dawn.
I like the way they portrayed Dracula (just didn't like the actor).

This is all that comes to mind right now.
 
- I really liked All the Way.
- I loved Life of the Party (apparently, it's pretty unpopular.)
- I like Cangel more than Bangel, even though I love both ships.
- I didn't care for the episodes about Gunn's crew (not sure how popular those were.)
- I loved Harmony and always thought she was a great character.
- I didn't think Apocalypse, Nowish was that great an episode (it would've been a little better if Cordy/Connor didn't start up...*gags*
- I loved nerdy Wes (in early Angel, not Buffy) and badass Wes equally.
- Season 6 is one of my favorites (apparently, that's a more popular opinion than I thought.)
- I didn't cry at the end of Xander's speech in Potential (though I did choke up a little), but I did cry at the end of Tough Love.
- I thought Faith was much better on Angel than she was on Buffy (except for her body-swap episodes in season 4, which were two of her better episodes.)
- Aside from the very end, I didn't think Hero was that great an episode.
- I didn't really mind Riley (although he had his annoying moments in season 5.)
- I liked Dawn, particularly in season 7.
- I never loved Jenny Calendar, even though I really liked her relationship with Giles.
- I thought most of Amends was kind of boring.
- I found a lot of episodes in Angel seasons 1-4 to be kind of boring, but I loved all of season 5.
- I didn't like Darla much.
- I liked Sprusilla just a teensy bit more than Spuffy.
- I thought Glory was, for the most part, annoying, even though season 5 is one of my favorites.
- Andrew was one of my favorite characters.

And there are a lot more, but I'll stick with that huge list for now.
 
Gosh, most of my opinions are actually pretty popular, I feel so conventional...

Ok I'm not sure if these are popular or not but here are some of my opinions.

*I actually see Jasmine's point of view despite ultimately agreeing with Angel.

*I too like Riley.

*I too like Connor, and didn't mind Dawn (actually liked her in Season 7)

*I prefer Angel as a show and a character to Buffy and Btvs respectively.

*I too prefer the bigs bads on Ats than Btvs.

*I thought Mr Trick had potential and was sold short.

*Empathised with Wood in LMPTM even if I didn't agree with his 'mission'. Thought Spike in this same episode was trying to rationalize past events to make himself feel better.

*I can't choose between Angel, Angelus or Liam because to me they are all different sides of the same fragmented persona.

* This is the defense of Cordy's awkward transition in Season 3:

My main problem was actually not Cordy's personality in Season 3 or even Cangel, it was how uncharacteristically she was out of touch with her own feelings. But actually this can be explained. Perhaps these years have been a huge transition for her. The visions and the mission have changed her more than she knew. She overlooked Doyle at first but then finally saw his worth as a companion. This happened with Angel and also with her growing sense of self. Episodes such as, well most of the Pylea arc, That Vision Thing, Birthday
and Tomorrow were actually fantastically well written and very in character for her, it's just that there were certain transitions that needed ironing out. Intutively this could be CC's performance, but it still made sense to me.

*Also on Warren and misogyny:

Warren is an interesting one. He wasn't a misogynist per se. Hang on I just read that... I don't think there is a misogynist per se, as such, it's a result of interconnected personality traits that can lead to such. Now this is an unpopular opinion because I think a lot of people saw two Warrens: Season 5 Warren and the other one. To me there was one Warren who developed into the person he's become. The confusion a lot of people have is that they think Warren learned his lesson in IWMTLY, but he didn't, he just grew more bitter and the darker tendencies grew. I don't ever think Warren was just 'that' guy or the other guy. In IWMTLY, people in the ep actually can identify with him but, it's how we handle such issues that define us. Warren was never simply a woman hater (although he ended up becoming one of sorts based upon his need to dominate and control. A flaw born out of his insecurity, hello Willow, relate much?)but it's these key choices that define us and Warren chose the other path.

The Katrina thing was also interesting. I actually don't think he could love Katrina, well maybe he could but he wasn't really ready to. Just because he finds Katrina more interesting, doesn't mean he respects her as an individual. The real test would be if he didn't try to control Katrina (yes actually in the same episode) and actually moved on in a positive way, but he doesn't. It's sad but some people just go down that path.
 
I like Angel more and think he is way more attractive when he is evil in Season 2.

I think Season 4 is amazing and contains many of the best episodes of the series.

Edit:

You know what, I have more:
Buffy is the best Whedon show.
Buffy and Angel bother me. Spike and Buffy are a far more interesting couple.
I, too prefer Oz to Tara.
I agree with Jasmine, not Angel in many respects (though I know the writers designed it so we would questio ourselves in this way, so it is debatable whether or not this qualifies as unpopular).
I like Xander and Willow as a couple, despite Xander's jerkiness (though that is obvious from my banner).
I detest Darla.
I think when Riley let the vampire women bite him, that he was being childish. I don't think it was Buffy's fault, though she didn't love him. His reaction was infantile and when they fight about it I want to pinch his head off with pruning shears.
 
Despite SpikedBuffy summing up mostly all my feelings on this matter I will reiterate my own opinions.

Faith bored me as a character. I liked Eliza's portrayal... Just didn't like the way Faith was written. The one stereotype on the show that drove me crazy! I think Kendra would have been a more interesting slayer to explore another side of slaying. (But I guess her bad accent would have driven me to a nervous breakdown after awhile!)

Angel the series is boring. I had to really struggle to get through the few episodes I've actually watched.

I like all the seasons of Buffy and would never be one to say "I think <insert season here> is boring" They all had something that appealed to me and if they hadn't I suppose I would have given up watching the show.

Angel bored me. Buffy and Angel together bored me.

Disclaimer: Most, if not all, opinions expressed here probably cannot be backed up by any logical argument.
 
*I loved Season 4!
* I loved episodes Where The Wild Things Are and Beer Bad
*I kinda liked Dawn. There were a few times she really annoyed me but in general I liked the character. And I think her storyline was really good.
* I loved Andrew! For all the funniness:biggrin:
* I didn't like Faith in season 3. At all.
 
I love Evil Cordy but I hate that for the whole season, it wasn't really Cordy. Does that make sense? LOL

Angel annoyed the crap outta me in BtVS. But I liked him on his own show.

I don't care much for Becoming Part 1 and 2.

Where The Wild Things Are is a great episode. I love the whole oversexed frat house concept. LOL

I love season 4 of both shows.

I like Spike but he should have stayed dead after BtVS season 7.

Cordelia should have made an appearance on BtVS after she left the main cast.

Season 6 is one of my favorite seasons.

I didn't like the ending to Not Fade Away. Seeing as how that was the end of the whole Buffyverse (at the time) we should have gotten something a little more closed.

Illyria should have been done earlier in the season. Like disc one early.

I don't like Bangel but the Wild Horses scene in The Prom is one of my favorites.

Cordelia stabbing Lilah is my favorite Buffyverse moment.

Gwen should have been in season 5.

Groo should have come back.

I don't like that Angel started seeing Nina so soon after Cordelia's death. Two episodes? .......................

Seeing as how it wasn't really Buffy, The Girl in Question was pointless.

Season 3 is my favorite but the season started off so boring to me. It didn't get good till Homecoming.
 
Oh... I just read somewhere about people absolutely hating the ep Gingerbread... I guess I was sorely mistaken... 🙂
 
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Well, I never liked it, it that comforts you. ;-D
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Joyce Summers
I know I just karmafied you for Gingerbread comment above but just had to say I think I know why InsaneMystic here doesn't like Gingebread ::coughs out 'Joyce-Centric Ep':: ;) Haha
*I didn't buy the Bangle love story at all when I first watched it. The whole thing felt totally melodramatic, sappy, needy, whiny, and just generally obnoxious. Until Buffy shagged him and made him all eeeeeviiiiiil. Then the relationship was fun to watch--and I actually believed their love story when he came back in S3. Even though I get what the relationship was supposed to be, the pre-S3 Bangle scenes still either annoy or bore me.

*Beer Bad makes me laugh every time. Not a GOOD ep. by any standard, but I'm a sucker for Cave!Buffy. "Boy smell nice."

*I also like S4 and the idea of the Initiative. In fact, if I could just edit Riley out the season, I would love it. Hush, Superstar, Something Blue, Restless . . . all S4 episodes. I think it's Riley more than anything else that ruins this season for most viewers.

*I really wanted to see Ethan Rayne again. Not sure how unpopular that one is but yeah, really hoped to see that actor again before series end. Alas.
 
I like S1-S3 Wesley better than S4-S5 Wesley. Don't get me wrong, I love all parts of Wesley's character and I was impressed with his changes over the years, but I enjoyed him more in the earlier seasons. I've seen a few people on other boards say that he was just comic relief back then, which I completely disagree with; I always found him to have many interesting sides and traits.

I like Riley, I felt bad for him in season 5, and I was really glad for the closure that "As You Were" brought.

I didn't start to like Faith until I watched Angel S4. I still can't muster up the amount of love for her that so many fans seem to have.

Some of the things Dawn says or does drive me nuts and seem too immature, but for the most part I think people are too harsh toward her and I'll usually defend her.

I never cared that much about Fred.

I enjoy Beer Bad
I like season four of Buffy
I thought Glory was a fantastic Big Bad


In the first half of season 3 of Angel I wanted Fred and Wesley to get together, but by the time they actually did, I no longer supported it. I was happy for Wesley, since he's a favorite character, but I would have been okay with it if he had just moved on. I actually thought Gunn and Fred made a really cute pair.

I'm not sure if Cangel is unpopular or not, but I love it. However, their friendship was so adorable I sometimes think I might prefer it.
 
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Joyce Summers
Ditto on Faith. I enjoy her, but when people say how they wished the spin-off had been about her and not Angel I just...I just don't see it.
Joyce Summers agrees: I know I just karmafied you for Gingerbread comment above but just had to say I think I know why InsaneMystic here doesn't like Gingebread ::coughs out 'Joyce-Centric Ep':: 😉 Haha
I only just noticed your comment there, and no, that's not the reason. Your namesake isn't any more annoying in it than regularly. :wink:

What thoroughly disappointed me was the solution of "Gingerbread"; I would vastly have preferred it to be mundane, psychological witchhunting paranoia instead of a shapeshifting demon from a German folk tale. One of those two eps where a non-supernatural explanation could have made a milestone of the series, while the offered version left me wondering why they chickened out (the other one was "Ted").

Well... "Ted" is another ep with a heavy dose of Joyce, so perhaps I don't sound convincing. :lmao: Perhaps it helps if I say that I love "Band Candy"? :biggrin:
 
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