Vampire Limitations

[white avenger]

It's established in "Buffy," and in general vampire lore, that a vampire can't enter someone's home without permission. Was it ever mentioned anywhere whether or not they could enter a hotel or motel room? I remember that Angel had to be invited into Fred's room at his hotel, but that isn't exactly the same thing, because Fred actually considered that room as being her home. I'm referring to an average traveler who stops overnight at a Holiday Inn or whatever, planning to be on his way the next morning. He doesn't consider that room as being his home, it's just a place where he is resting for the night, so, with that in mind, would a vampire be able to enter without a formal invitation>

 

[Cordy_Chase]

No, a public place doesn't qualify under that policy because the difference is that a "home", whatever form that may take, is personal, it's someone's sanctuary and thus considered sacred ground similar to how a church is regarded in general lore and while I can't recall if the Buffyverse specified whether or not a vampire is able to enter a church we do know that they can't be in the presence of a Holy Cross.
It's specified in season 1 episode of ATS 'The Prodigal' via the murder of Kate Lockley's father that the home must belong to someone living which means that Angel's room at the Hyperion although his home would not qualify and while Fred's revealed that a specific room in a hotel could qualify the hotel's lobby could never.
That's the way I understand it anyway, but I'm aware that I may be generalizing too much.

On the subject of the specific limitations of vampire lore, I'm personally curious as to how far the whole sunlight thing extends. Is it specifically direct sunlight that lights one a vampire fire, meaning if the sun were hidden such as in overcast or rainy weather would it be safe for one to venture outside? What about during sunrise or sunset when there is weaker sunlight?
I've also noticed that Angel always draped a blanket over himself when having to be exposed to sunlight but would the shade of an umbrella, which would be a lot easier and less conspicuous have been just as safe? A lot of people shade themselves with an umbrella on hot days but if he needed an explanation he could give the essential truth that he's allergic to the sun which yeah, although not particularly common is a real thing.

 

[white avenger]

I can't recall if the Buffyverse specified whether or not a vampire is able to enter a church we do know that they can't be in the presence of a Holy Cross.

On the subject of the specific limitations of vampire lore, I'm personally curious as to how far the whole sunlight thing extends. Is it specifically direct sunlight that lights one a vampire fire, meaning if the sun were hidden such as in overcast or rainy weather would it be safe for one to venture outside? What about during sunrise or sunset when there is weaker sunlight?

I've also noticed that Angel always draped a blanket over himself when having to be exposed to sunlight but would the shade of an umbrella, which would be a lot easier and less conspicuous have been just as safe? A lot of people shade themselves with an umbrella on hot days but if he needed an explanation he could give the essential truth that he's allergic to the sun which yeah, although not particularly common is a real thing.

Vampires entered a church in Season 4, that's what kept Faith in Buffy's body from leaving town: her sense of Slayer duty. Also, Spike was in a church, draped across a cross and smoking, when Buffy learned about his soul in Season 7.

The overcast sun (when it snowed) was what kept Angel from incinerating when the First Evil was messing with his mind in Season 3, also, Buffy wanted to marry Spike outdoors on an overcast day in "Something Blue," Season 4.

I noticed in Season 10, when Spike was consulting with the police during the day that he was wearing a hooded robe instead of his usual smoking blanket. That would seem to me to be more practical that an umbrella.

 

[Cordy_Chase]

@white avenger
Thanks for setting my facts straight.
In regards to the cross I might have gotten confused with the unaired pilot in which Riff Regan's Willow dusted her first vampire with a cross she'd snatched from a purse Buffy dropped.

 

[Fuffy Baith]

Public buildings, like the school and W&H office, require no invitation. I thought Angel was just being polite asking to enter Freds room. I think the sunlight rule, is direct sunlight outdoors. Cause there's times when Angel and Spike (not in s5 cause that's special glass) when they are indoors and the sun is shinning through and they are fine. Even when Spike is running around with his blanket it's smoking, so direct sunlight is pretty powerful to work through a blanket. Basically the writers will do find way around all of the vampire rules in order to serve the plot. That's not a good thing, just how it turned out. Not sure if there's really an 'in show' answer.

 

[white avenger]

Public buildings, like the school and W&H office, require no invitation. I thought Angel was just being polite asking to enter Freds room. I think the sunlight rule, is direct sunlight outdoors. Cause there's times when Angel and Spike (not in s5 cause that's special glass) when they are indoors and the sun is shinning through and they are fine. Even when Spike is running around with his blanket it's smoking, so direct sunlight is pretty powerful to work through a blanket. Basically the writers will do find way around all of the vampire rules in order to serve the plot. That's not a good thing, just how it turned out. Not sure if there's really an 'in show' answer.

Fred invited Angel into her room, and he told her that she had already invited him in before, so there was no reason to do it a second time. Apparently Fred believing that the room was her home made it different than juse an ordinary hotel room.

As for sunlight, it would have to be direct sunlight, otherwise vampires would burst into flame even at night, since moonlight is just reflected sunlight.

 

[Kana]

In reference to Fred inviting Angel in: Generally public building like hotels aren't a problem. For example Angel was able to enter Faith and Darla's motel rooms and Angelus was able to enter Enyos' motel room. However the Hyperion was not open for business as a hotel. Each room would count as a seperate unit of accommodation and Fred made the room her home. Angel couldn't enter because he didn't own the hotel, the lease was under the company name. This is contrary to Russell Winters entering Tina's apartment, because he own the apartment building.