Vamps at the Crucifixion

N

No Angel

Rogue Demon Hunter
Joined
Sep 21, 2002
Messages
1,079
Age
37
Location
England
The best dialogue every said in Buffy came from Spike in season 2:

Vampire#1: Yes. This weekend, the night of St. Vigeous, our power shall
be at its peak. When I kill her, it'll be the greatest event since the
crucifixion. And I should know. I was there.

Spike: (appears behind them) *You* were *there*? (chuckles) Oh, please!
If every vampire who said he was at the crucifixion was actually there,
it would have been like Woodstock.

Vampire#1: I oughta rip your throat out.

Spike: (turns his back to him and strolls away) I was actually at
Woodstock. That was a weird gig. I fed off a flowerperson, and I spent
the next six hours watchin' my hand move.
 
Not to get off topic here....

But how could vampires have been at the crucifixion? It was day. They would've been a little dusty.
 
I'm not a biblical expert, but wasn't Jesus up on the cross for a couple days? Vamps could've stopped by at night. Also, vampires probably hated Jesus a whole bunch, so it wouldn't be out of question that they wouldn't mind risking a little daylight exposure and go during the day wearing robes or something.
 
Not to mention the fact that Bible says that somewhere in there (I'm not sure when)the sky went dark...maybe there was an eclipse. But I don't see why anyone would bother going to the execution of Jesus, unless you were a follower of him or you were one of the Pharisees. They were the only ones who would really hate him. After all, at the time, Jesus was just a poor, low-level carpenter/teacher from Galilee. He, like many revolutionaries (and artists 😉) didn't get important until after his death. Hey, he didn't even have a house. I think this claim is nothing more than bragging and boasting. Awesom elines, though.
 
Plus wouldn't it burn them to get close? Small crosses burned them so a giant one with Christ on it would probably be alot worse.
 
Wow Neat piont I was wondering about this Yes the sky did go dark as soon as Christ died. As for him being on the cross more then one day I think someone way smarter then me would have a better answer. But I really think he was just up there for a day. But The vaps could come out as soon as he died. I really Don't know why thay would though. Outher then seeing what was going on. Really I think its more a bost thing. Alos if you go for dates that was in 34 AD it was not till somethime in the 1400 hurends (I think) till Darla came about. Thats 1,400 years. I don't think any Vamp could live that long..
 
Cookie Dough said:
Plus wouldn't it burn them to get close? Small crosses burned them so a giant one with Christ on it would probably be alot worse.
Click to expand...

Not really. The cross didn't become an important religious symbol until after Christ's death. Before then, it was just something the Romans used to kill people.
 
*Maria* said:
Alos if you go for dates that was in 34 AD it was not till somethime in the 1400 hurends (I think) till Darla came about. Thats 1,400 years. I don't think any Vamp could live that long..
Click to expand...

Theoretically, vamps are immortal. Unless staked, beheaded or whatever, they will live forever. Kakistos was an "ancient" vampire, Greek by the sounds of his name, and I thought someone said that an "ancient" vamp predated Christianity...no supporting quotes for that last bit though, sorry. Memory is good, just short...
 
kd, I'll agree that it's certainly possible for a vamp who was at the crucifixtion to still be around, I just think that he would have had to have been there as a human. Why should vamps care about this Jesus of Nazerth dude? People are saying he wants to overthrow Rome, that he can do miracles, but what do they care? They probably didn't care one or the other if Rome is in power and they don't need miracles. I just don't think vamps would care enough to show up.
 
phoenixrising said:
Not really. The cross didn't become an important religious symbol until after Christ's death. Before then, it was just something the Romans used to kill people.
Click to expand...

Before Christ's death the cross was still symbolic, though not necessarily in the same form. The Egyptians had the Ankh (which I believe represented the cycle of life, it's been a while since university). Everyone has seen this symbol because it is/was a huge fashion accessory, a cross with curved lines from the top out to the outer edge of the cross piece. Also if I remember Celtic studies correctly the celtic cross predates christianity in celtic societies.
 
The amount of time was only one day. He was put up on Maunday Thursday, and he died on Good Friday. So, unless the vamps stopped by at night... and yeah, why would they?, then I agree that it is just bragging.

Plus, with the whole living that long thing... we know that even the Master was only like what? 500? And Kakistos was probably alive longer because his hands/feet were cloven. What would the vampires had to have looked like if they were around for the crucifixion? Pretty darn twisted.
 
If there are and have been vampires all over the world, why is that only a Christian religious symbol - the cross - can repel a vampire? Why not the Star of David, or other non-Christian symbols?
 
Cool theoretical discussion goin' on here. Found yet another interesting link (to me anyways):


"The vampire was a well established myth long before the Christian church got it's foothold in Europe, and the beliefs were widespread. When the Christian church split in 1054 it had not established a stance on vampires save that it was a part of Pagan belief and unchristian in nature.
Roman Catholics believed that the bodies of their saints would not decay in the grave; instead, they would remain intact and give off a sweet odour. The Orthodox church viewed an undecayed corpse as a sign of evil.

The great irony of this period is that as the Church moved to end the Pagan mythologies, it would be their own decree that would lend historical validity to the vampire. So great was their influence that movies and novels in the 21st century still show the vampire as a Satanic creature, a Demon, made helpless when confronted with the signs of the true Christian God. Numerous reports and treatments were issued by the Christian Church. Vampire scares continued to sweep through Europe, complete with vampire hunts and witch hunts, mass exhumations, legions of corpses staked and/or burned in an attempt to rid villages of vampirism. "

"So who were these vampires? In the older lore they were usually people who had died sudden and unnaturally or had been killed by a vampire themselves. Witches and cruel or evil people were also thought to become vampires after death. Throughout the ages, it has been believed that vampires (being 'corrupted') have aversions to anything pure or anything that was natural to a live human being. Silver, seeds, and garlic were all thought to be deterrents to a vampire. Crosses and holy water became aversions when Christianity took over. But why would the cross have power over vampires? Why would a Jewish vampire, -or an atheist vampire for  that matter,  fear a Christian symbol? "

http://www.vampire-coven.com/vampirelore.html
 
are vampires even religious in the first place? i wouldnt have thought so. considering theyre evil!
 
Well, in Christian theology, demons are fallen angels. Vamps would be demon-reanimated corpses. So it seems like they wouldn't even have to be religious, in the sense of having "faith". They don't have to believe, they know God exists, being spiritual beings from Hell or whatever.

In the Buffyverse, everyone, including vamps, seems unsure about the existence of God. Same with those Anne Rice vamps, mostly atheists and agnostics.
 
Not the Buffyverse ones, no.

I guess that vamps existing in the "Christian Universe", witnessing the crucifixion, would cower and crumble in the presence of Christ himself, whether or not a cross was there.
 
you ever seen dracula 2000? its totally based on the crusifiction and everything. but the buffy ones just seem to be going along with the usual myth.
 
I'd tend to think that all the vamps in Sunnydale, realizing that, "hey, crosses, holywater, ouch, they sting!""”would tend to believe in a Christian god.

Or, since this is the 'verse, with all these demon dimensions, maybe they're thinking it's just a gypsy curse, or some sick joke: a spell cast on crosses, water by Glory or some other hellgod. Just something to torment the poor bastard vamps.

Never did see Dracula 2000. I haven't seen a vamp movie in the theaters in ages, now that I think about it. I think the last one was "Interview with the...".
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom