Vegetarians/Vegans?

I had no idea there were so many animal rights people on here! I've been vegetarian for a year, ever since I watched the PETA investigation at a pig farm in Iowa. Scarred me for life. Now I volunteer at PETA, participate in protests, and I'm debating on whether or not to go vegan on New Year's. My only problem is I completely cannot cook, so I don't know what I would eat.
I remember seeing a video of Moby explaining his veganism and how he eats, and he said that all meals are made of components. If you take away the meat component from a meal and replace it with something else, tofu, soy protein etc., you've still got a pretty good meal. But it would be awful to try and eat meals that purely consist of animal products. So, you really don't need to worry that much about how you will be able to feed yourself or whether you need to teach yourself to cook fresh ingredients; being vegan is a lot easier than it sounds.
 
while i am not a vegitarian/vegan, my best friend Rachel has been for most of her life. She really enjoys it 🙂
 
Wow, I just watched the trailer for Earthlings and that alone has convinced me. Don't know if I could bear to watch the whole thing.

Good for you to at least go to the site and try to watch it! It's the first step and maybe someday you will be able to watch all of it. Believe me, it is hard to watch. And that reaction is a good one because it means you care. :cheering:
 
Am I allowed to answer that, or is this thread strictly for veggies?

I think you can answear 🙂

I mean I know that a lot of people eat horses meat, but for me it's not normal. Maybe I'm to sensitive when it comes to animals 🙂
 
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Spikesangel11
There's no such thing as "too sensitive". If people were being massacred, I know I'd feel the same way about that as I do now about animals. We're all equal. It's good that you're veg and you care, it means you have a heart.
I mean I know that a lot of people eat horses meat, but for me it's not normal. Maybe I'm to sensitive when it comes to animals 🙂

I think it's because of the connection we have with certain animals. A more personal connection. And of course that we're not used to it. That's why a lot of people also have a problem with the fact that some people eat bunnies, cats and/or dogs.


^^ All meant in general of course.
 
I know. I mean I cried so much when I found out that they ate my bunny. I thought they brought him for me to play with him, but they just brought him to eat him and that's so cruel 🙁
 
Washburne
Washburne
I know. I'm so sorry for you. *hugs*
I think it's because of the connection we have with certain animals. A more personal connection. And of course that we're not used to it. That's why a lot of people also have a problem with the fact that some people eat bunnies, cats and/or dogs.


^^ All meant in general of course.

I don't think it's a very justified attitude, though. All animals deserve life equally. Who are we to say which ones should end up on our plate or should end up as our beloved pet? Cows feel pain, just as much so as dogs, yet millions and millions of them are slaughtered for our hamburgers every year. It's all so sick to me.

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This is something I put together for a school presentation...

Veganism – The Solution

Raising animals to eat is the most inefficient, wasteful, and environmentally destructive method of producing food imaginable. This may surprise you, but we grow far more food to feed the animals we eat, than to feed ourselves. Farm animals consume 80% of the corn, 80% of the grain, and 95% of the oats grown in the US. 87% of our total agricultural land is dedicated to raising the animals we eat. That’s almost half of the entire land mass in the US. Almost 90% of deforestation is due to our appetite for beef. To date, over 260 million acres of forest have been destroyed to provide cattle with grazing land, and another acre disappears every 8 seconds. The massive amount of crops grown to feed livestock in water pastures consumes over half the fresh water supply in the US. It takes 12,000 gallons of fresh water to produce just 1 pound of beef, vs. 60 gallons to produce a pound of potatoes. 12 miles of the San Joaquin river in California is completely dry because water has been diverted to grow crops for farm animals. In some areas, so much water has been diverted from hydroelectric dams that nuclear power plants have had to be constructed to make up for the loss of power. The average American uses just 106 gallons of water a day for domestic needs. However, if they eat a quarter pound hamburger, their daily consumption of water increases by 3,000 gallons. In the year 2000, the average American consumed 69 pounds of beef and a total of 255 pounds of meat. By giving up meat, you’d be saving over a million gallons of fresh water every year. If you added to the cost of beef just the water subsidies alone, hamburger would cost $35 a pound. Instead of turning off your lights, recycling paper and taking showers, reducing meat consumption is the best way to conserve our fresh water supplies. Our diet is not only using huge amounts of water, but it’s actually depleting our fresh water supplies. The largest source of fresh water in the world, Ogallala Aquifer, will be completely dry in less than 50 years. Once it dries up, the bread basket of the US will turn into a dustland. That’s the legacy our diet will leave to our children.

Eating animals not only consumes half our fresh water, but their excrement pollutes the other half. In fact, farm animals produce 130 times more waste than people do. And yet, not one feedlot or farm in America is required to have a proper sewage system. It’s become so bad that animal waste on the Mississippi River has made an area the size of New Jersey totally uninhabitable to marine life. It’s called the Dead Zone. E-coli, salmonella, listeria, etc, all boil down to the same thing for the consumer... there’s animal excrement in your food. It’s become so bad that e-coli is now the leading cause of kidney failure in among American children. Modern meat is so burden with animal waste that you could actually clean it in your toilet. It’s safer eating a carrot anywhere but in your kitchen, if meat has been there. American packaged meat now carries a warning label telling consumers to wash everything that’s even come into contact with it. The reason you have to cook it so long is to make sure the animal excrement is safe for you to eat. It’s no longer a question of whether there’s manure in your meat, it’s a question of how to deal with it. The meat industry’s answer is not to get rid of it, but to nuke the whole package with radiation. 80% of the meat produced and “sanitized” in the US is bathed in carbon monoxide to keep it looking pink and “fresh” for up to two weeks after it should look brown and rotten. Meat is merely dead muscle, mind you, and flesh begins to decompose the moment it dies. Now all you have to worry about is getting used to the taste of a mouthful of bacteria from fried farm animal faeces... unless, of course, the hamburger you eat from McDonalds isn’t cooked properly.

We’re also depleting our oceans of marine life, and setting a trend that some say will end in the result of the wholescale collapse of marine ecosystems within 40 years. It’s said by these researchers that unless something extravagant and very large-scale is done very soon, there will be no “edible” fish left in the sea by 2048. Using sophisticated technology to sweet the oceans with massive nets, we’re now taking more fish from the ocean than can reproduce, and wreaking havoc on the very foundation of life on Earth. The irony is that farm animals eat far more fish than people do. In fact, half of the world’s fish catch is fed to livestock. As it turns out, therefore, the best first step you can take to help save the ocean is to stop eating farm animals. On top of all this, we’re also eating up biological diversity because of our appetite for beef. For decades, the US government had a program designed to totally exterminate wolves in order to protect cattle. Currently the US government slaughters 1 and a half million wild animals every year for corporate interests... to protect the cows that will soon end up in our cheeseburgers. This is yet another government subsidy that benefits a few large corporations. Badgers, beavers, black bears, bobcats, coyotes, mountain lions, opossums, porcupines, striped skunks, and timber wolves are just some of the victims.

In summary, an animal based diet:
- Consumes 1/3 of raw materials and fossil fuels.
- Wastes half of fresh water and pollutes the other half.
- Depletes fresh water.
- Poisons food supply.
- Destroys topsoil.
- Destroys forests. 80% of the land cut down in the Amazon rainforest is done so to clear land for cattle pasture.
- Destroys biodiversity.
- Destroys species.
- Destroys the lives of 140 billion “food” animals and fish a year. 98% of all animals abused and killed are those we eat.

“... the less the consumer knows about what’s happening before the meat hits the plate, the better.”
- Peter R. Cheeke, Professor of Animal Science.

“Based on my experience in Los Angeles, my advice to the public is to not eat meat”.
- Gregorio Natavidad, Meat Inspector.

“I don’t eat chicken anymore. I won’t eat it. I won’t allow it in my house.”
- Rodney Leonard, US Poultry Inspector.

“Forget the pig is an animal. Treat him just like a machine in a factory.”
- Hog Farm Management.

Further reading:
ADAPTT :: Animals Deserve Absolute Protection Today and Tomorrow >> The Animal Kill Counter
 
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Summerlilly
Good job! That's so cool you did that for school! Statistics are always a good tool.
I don't think it's a very justified attitude, though. All animals deserve life equally. Who are we to say which ones should end up on our plate or should end up as our beloved pet? Cows feel pain, just as much so as dogs, yet millions and millions of them are slaughtered for our hamburgers every year. It's all so sick to me.

I didn't mean that it's justified. But I do think that's how a lot of people think.

I admire people that stay away from hurting any kind of living thing. I try to let bees, wasps and spiders out if I have the chance and they find the way inside but flies is something else. Even if I try to ignore them as long as possible. And to have been in the woods as much as I have and never kill an ant (not on purpose though) or mosquito would be extremly hard. I'd fail. So kudos to those that succeed.
 
I think you can answear 🙂

I mean I know that a lot of people eat horses meat, but for me it's not normal. Maybe I'm to sensitive when it comes to animals 🙂

I just wanted to say that I love horses, with a passion, yet feel that eating horses (as long as I eat meat in the first place) isn't a bad thing to do at all. On the contrary, I think it's better to humanely slaughter a horse that does not have the conformation needed to be a decent riding or driving horse than to keep selling a horse cheaply to inexperienced owners. Because that's often what happens with "half bad" individuals. They are deemed too good to die, but are not good enough to be kept. Therefore many of them move from owner to owner and lead rather sad lives.

That said, I don't think I could eat my own horse.
 
I'm not an animal rights person at all, I really don't like animals much, most animals are pretty gross to me, I hate dogs and I wouldn't have pets etc. But that doesn't mean I think it's right to kill animals and it's just very very weird to eat them. How can anyone see animals as food?! I have been a vegetarian since I was 10, so about 13 years. I have never been a vegan but I very rarely eat eggs, cheese etc.
I don't know why people think it's hard to not eat meat, seriously there is so much else to eat, and it tastes better, is more healthy, way better for the environment and the world in general. Eating animals is just gross and weird, mhm.
 
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Summerlilly
Wow. I've never heard of a vegetarian that hates animals...but hey that's cool if you're still making decisions for the greater good!
I'm not an animal rights person at all, I really don't like animals much, most animals are pretty gross to me, I hate dogs and I wouldn't have pets etc. But that doesn't mean I think it's right to kill animals and it's just very very weird to eat them. How can anyone see animals as food?! I have been a vegetarian since I was 10, so about 13 years. I have never been a vegan but I very rarely eat eggs, cheese etc.
I don't know why people think it's hard to not eat meat, seriously there is so much else to eat, and it tastes better, is more healthy, way better for the environment and the world in general. Eating animals is just gross and weird, mhm.

I agree, eating decomposing animal muscle is pretty disgusting. 😛

I know what you're saying. One doesn't need to love animals to not want to have them murdered for products we don't even need. Similarly, for example, someone might not really like gay people for whatever reason, but they'd still fight for their rights because they know it's the fair and just thing to do.
 
I just wanted to say that I love horses, with a passion, yet feel that eating horses (as long as I eat meat in the first place) isn't a bad thing to do at all. On the contrary, I think it's better to humanely slaughter a horse that does not have the conformation needed to be a decent riding or driving horse than to keep selling a horse cheaply to inexperienced owners. Because that's often what happens with "half bad" individuals. They are deemed too good to die, but are not good enough to be kept. Therefore many of them move from owner to owner and lead rather sad lives.

That said, I don't think I could eat my own horse.

I hate how humans view themselves better than animals. We are actually animals ourselves, after all. Who says that we should reserve the right to decide whether an animal is useful or useless? When they should live or die? This wasn't aimed at you, I'm just talking about people in general.

I'm curious.. if you're happy eating other horses, what makes you eating your own any different to eating its family and friends?
 
I hate how humans view themselves better than animals. We are actually animals ourselves, after all.

Isn't that exactly what YOU are doing? Sorry, but the whole "It's unnatural to eat animals, would you eat your family?" attitude really has 'holier than thou' stamped on it.
And yes, we are animals ourselves, and in case you haven't noticed...animals do eat other animals. It's called food chain.

I don't really agree with the mass farming these days either (because it's bad for the environment, and too much meat is unhealthy for us), and I don't really need to eat meat every day (today so far I haven't eaten any meat, for example, and it's 7pm), but I just don't see the point in becoming a vegetarian, it's just as 'unnatural' as you think eating meat is. You know, not all meat we eat is mass produced and was the object to cruelty. There is such a thing as organic farming.
 
Isn't that exactly what YOU are doing? Sorry, but the whole "It's unnatural to eat animals, would you eat your family?" attitude really has 'holier than thou' stamped on it.
And yes, we are animals ourselves, and in case you haven't noticed...animals do eat other animals. It's called food chain.

I don't really agree with the mass farming these days either (because it's bad for the environment, and too much meat is unhealthy for us), and I don't really need to eat meat every day (today so far I haven't eaten any meat, for example, and it's 7pm), but I just don't see the point in becoming a vegetarian, it's just as 'unnatural' as you think eating meat is. You know, not all meat we eat is mass produced and was the object to cruelty. There is such a thing as organic farming.

I don't think I'm better than anyone else, I just know my dietary choices are. I'd rather die than eat an animal. Most couldn't give up meat for a meal. Isn't that a bit selfish?

So, you don't value animal life at all then? The environment, yes, because its state affects you, and too much consumption of meat too, because, again, it's bad for you, but in regards to how much an animal suffers, you don't think it matters? How are you in any way above them? You're not. Your life is just as important as the chicken you ate the other day.

And, actually, 99% of the meat farmed in the US is done so intensively.
 
I think that depends on person. I mean look how many people in the world just accepted feeding chain - we need animals to survive, just like we need other people to survive, and animals need other animals to survive because they eat each other. Some people really don't love meat. Like some people don't like rice or something. But some people think it's disgusting. It's not natural to eat them. It's not natural that in one part of the world dog is man's best friend, and on the other people are eating them. In one family bunny is a loving pet, but in the other people are eating them every Sunday. So I think some people don't like meat - not because they love animals, but because they just don't like the taste. But some people love animals, and they can't eat them.
 
I don't think I'm better than anyone else, I just know my dietary choices are. I'd rather die than eat an animal. Most couldn't give up meat for a meal. Isn't that a bit selfish?

So, you don't value animal life at all then? The environment, yes, because its state affects you, and too much consumption of meat too, because, again, it's bad for you, but in regards to how much an animal suffers, you don't think it matters? How are you in any way above them? You're not. Your life is just as important as the chicken you ate the other day.

And, actually, 99% of the meat farmed in the US is done so intensively.

Really what is selfish and what is a good dietary choice? You say you don't think you're better than others, but yet again you say something that kinda disproves that to me. Do what you want, think what you want, but only because people eat meat and don't follow your world views doesn't make them selfish. Basically, you make it sound like you have all the answers and the rest of us are just a bunch of weak losers.

I never said my life is any more important than that of a chicken. But in what way I am above them? Well, my brain is bigger and more complex, for starters. And since you care so much for the animal's feelings, you know, plants feel pain as well...does that keep you from eating those?

99%? Where did you get that number? If it's 99% of the animals we eat, it does make sense. If only half the farms are mass producing, obviously more than 50% of the meat we eat would be mass produced, because well, they mass produce while organic farms don't. But even so, there's still the 1 percent of meat you could eat.
 
Can we please stay on topic.

Are there any other vegetarians or vegans on BB, and if so, why did you go vegetarian/vegan?

*Please let's not turn this into a debate about veganism, I just want to talk to others who are veg. *
 
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