Veronica Mars Compared to BTVS

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Some people don't like the idea of comparisons between Veronica Mars and BTVS. Some people don't think there are any. Nevertheless one thing seems inescapeable. Such comparisons continue to be made.

Here's the TV critic for the San Francisco Chronicle with his take.

For anyone who took the wildly charming, pop culture roller-coaster ride known as "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" in the olden days of television, there was a truism you knew deep down in your soul -- the show was for the young and the young at heart, catered to disaffected and intelligent TV watchers, and reveled, for years, in a misunderstood brilliance that attracted a cult and not much more.

"Veronica Mars," entering its third season on the CW tonight, has many of the hallmarks of "Buffy," but suffers from a kind of version 2.0 downgrade because part of the charm of "Buffy" was its originality, and "Veronica," as smart and sassy as it is, will forever be seen as a cousin, if not a copy.

That's not entirely a bad thing, but it does leave you with a kind of been-to-this-genre-before jadedness. And yet, if you haven't completely lost your taste for a little youthful drama (as opposed to, say, "House," or "Law & Order") then "Veronica Mars" fills a certain nostalgic void. How many times can you find an immensely talented young woman like Sarah Michelle Gellar (Buffy) and now Kristen Bell (Veronica) who is 80 percent of the reason you watch in the first place (or why the show is successful)?

For her part, Bell is both outstanding and irresistible but, despite the mutual appreciation society between "Buffy" creator Joss Whedon and "Veronica" creator Rob Thomas, the fact is that "Buffy," at least to this point, is the gold standard in this limited genre and still the better show. Part of that may rest with the premise -- high school (and then college) girl slays vampires and other evil beings. There's a fantastical element that viewers went with (and the writers played with) that allowed a greater disconnect from reality (and thus any comparisons rooted in other familiar shows on the schedule).

In "Veronica Mars," Bell plays the title character who, first in high school and this season in college, becomes a crack private investigator and crime solver. Her father is her mentor and rock, her boyfriend loving but flawed, her friends equally fast-talking and hip -- the similarities to Buffy go on and on. Smart, sassy, good looking (but almost always oblivious to that power), eternally the outsider, both characters are instantly likable. But since Veronica is rooted in reality -- no vampires or living dead anywhere in the fictional town of Neptune -- the show wherein she displays her biting tongue and impressive detective skills gets cut infinitely less slack. What hurts "Veronica Mars" is the milieu in which she's cast. Somewhere between "Monk" and "Scooby-Doo" is the feel of the mysteries presented in the series (not so much the actual whodunit, which can be convoluted, but the route taken to the solving of the crime). So maybe it's a problem of gravitas.

Then again, the mysteries at hand are not really why anyone would watch "Veronica Mars." Bell is the reason you watch. And the way Thomas and his writers are able to make her a girl-power heroine with enough pop-culture asides and cutting remarks to not make the whole thing feel corny. Certainly Bell can take viewers through a half season before they desire something more meaty from the ensemble or the story -- she's that good.

But the problem with cult shows that eagerly desire (and certainly need) a larger audience, is that if said available audience (heretofore watching something else, presumably) gets wind of all the hype (and there's been lots of it for "Veronica Mars"), its expectations may be too high. For all of its wondrous charms and agreeable reasons for watching, the fact is that after Bell and a smattering of quote-worthy dialogue, "Veronica Mars" probably doesn't have enough dramatic heft to break out of its own cult status. That doesn't make it unworthy of attention, but leaves it somewhat shy of greatness.

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Wow. It's strange how I can agree so much with what's said about the two shows– comparing etc. – yet disagree so with their conclusion. Each too their own, I guess, but I just don't see those big flaws in Veronica Mars, at all.
 
This comparrison reminds me of one moaning about comparissons a while ago, saying that VM can't beat Buffy because there is no weekly threat or something. Basically they were saying its not as good as Buffy becasue it doesn't have all the supernatural elements. They didn't seem to realise its not a Sci-Fi show.
 
Then again, the mysteries at hand are not really why anyone would watch "Veronica Mars."

Is this person insane?? I freakin love the mysteries!! Don't get me wrong Kristen is amazing, but the mysteries are just incrediable. I think VM's first season had a better season Arc (Lilly's murder) then any of the seasons of Buffy!!
 
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Is this person insane?? I freakin love the mysteries!! Don't get me wrong Kristen is amazing, but the mysteries are just incrediable. I think VM's first season had a better season Arc (Lilly's murder) then any of the seasons of Buffy!!
The main reason I started watching the show was because of the dialogues and the awesome funniness of the character Veronica Mars. But there's no way I'd be this obsessed with the show if that was the only reason I watched.. The first season arc was awesome, and oh so much better than at least most of the BtVS season arc.. mhm..
 
I've only just started watching Veronica Mars, and here in the UK its upto Season 2 (so I've missed season 1) but watching the show, I've never once compared it to Buffy. The thought never entered my mind that the two shows were at all similar.

Reading the article I can kind of see some similarities, but I don't think VM is a copy of Buffy 🙂
 
I think maybe the comparisons began mostly because it was an action drama series with a high-shool aged girl as the main character. Hex got the comparisons too. Other than the occult thing and the genre there's are few similarities between Hex to Buffy, but people still compare them.

Another thing these three have in common is they all take their subject matter seriously, and the writing is good. Sabrina the teen-aged witch wasn't compared to Buffy.
 
I don't think these two shows should be compared - I agree that each is their own show and are both in fact very good shows.
 
The two shows are chalk and cheese in concept. There are similarities in the feel of both shows but nothing beyond that, in my opinion.

Veronica Mars hasn't hooked me the way it seems to have a lot of Whedon fans. Not sure why. I can watch it but I don't have anywhere near the level of adoration for that show as I do for Buffy.
 
I think they're compared because Veronica Mars is the best teen show since Buffy went off the air. It totally kicks ass.
 
A lot of new shows get compared to Buffy (yes I am aware VM is in the third season). And why is that? They are either supernatural like or have a strong female lead. Personally think the comparisons are because Buffy really was a break out show that kick started tv fandom again. And networks and the media are always looking for the new 'Buffy'.

I love both shows and I try not to look at the comparisons but enjoy them for what they are. I love the writing in both shows the snappy one liners, and it seems that as well as the shows being compared to each other we also have some cast popping up like Charisma, Alyson and even Joss himself making a rare cameo.
 
VN doesn't compare, but I do love the show. Not because it reminds me of BUffy, cause it don't. But because I love the mystery and trying to figure out things as each show passes. Besides, the reason I started watching the show was because I saw Kirsten Bell on a lifetime movie a year before Veronica Mars came out and she was good in it so I decided to take a look.
 
Did you ever see her in Deadwood? At first it didn't connect with me, who she was, then I imdb-ed it, and considering the type of character she was playing in Deadwood I thought to myself, "Jeez. That's spooky".
 
Well first of all she had long curly hair, and was dressed old west, so you could only tell you'd seen her before, but couldn't put your finger on where.

She played this girl who arrives in Deadwood supposedly with her brother, and the two of them are supposedly looking for their father. It turns out the two of them are town to town thieves, and probably lovers. She's revealed to be a complete hard ass criminal, and probably a little bit kinky.

She winds up getting beat to blindness in the mud of the street. Her and her brother (lover) are dragged into the saloon and shot point blank by a pimp and his hooker.

God, that's a good show.
 
Is she hot in her old west dress? lol

Is her partner her REAL brother or do they pretend to be siblings? If they're really related...sick
 
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I'm not sure. It's left open.
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