Viewer Complaints about Seeing Red

Josh

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When bbc2 in the UK showed the episode Seeing Red a few months ago, they got complaints afterwards saying that the timeslot of 6.45-7.30 was inappropriate because of the lesbian scenes and attempted rape. I just read this report from buffy.nu and i am totally disgusted. I understand why people complained about the attempted rape, the bbc should have edited the scene or moved it to a later slot, as it was seriously disturbing and frightening, but to complain about two women kissing and being in bed together? It's so stupid that people still complain about those kind of things. Are we in mediaeval times or something???

The report said:

"Seven viewers complained about homosexual content. Two were also concerned about the depiction of an attempted rape and one mentioned violent content inappropriate for a pre-watershed broadcast.

The BBC said that most episodes of Buffy were filled with all kinds of bizarre events, often involving cartoon-like violence and sometimes encounters which were more serious. In this episode, it didn't feel Spike's encounter with the heroine exceeded expectations for most viewers.

The timeslot was aimed at viewers at an age where they could take in their stride the fantasy and portrayals of a limited amount of intimacy in relationships. Tara and Willow's status as an 'item' had established since series 4. Although the scene between the two young women was not a brief one, it did have particular dramatic significance, as it set up the powerful finale to this episode-Tara's shooting by Warren. For those who were not regular viewers their sexual orientation had been made clear in the recapitulation sequence at the start of the episode.

Certainly, no sexual activity was shown, and both participants remained adequately clothed throughout. The protagonist's were young women in their 20s in a long-term relationship. Especially in the light of what happens later in the episode, most of those watching would, the BBC felt, have found the opening sequence disturbing for its poignancy rather than its frankness.

THE COMMISION'S FINDING

A Standards Panel watched this episode of the well-established fantasy series. It noted the opening sequences which contained brief homosexual scenes and references throughout the episode. It also noted violent sequences, predominantly between the two main characters, Buffy and Spike. The Panel took the view that the cumulative effect of homosexual references and violent sequences which including fighting, an attempted rape, and a shooting had meant that the episode strayed from the fantasy element that audiences would have expected and had gone beyond acceptable boundaries for the time of transmission.
The complaints were upheld."

It makes me mad how they equate and compare a loving, gentle and beautiful relationship between two women with murder and rape. Also, they clearly don't understand the show at all. The whole thing is very sad.
 
Originally posted by Josh
Seven viewers complained about homosexual content. Two were also concerned about the depiction of an attempted rape

So rape is okay, as long as you're careful not to rape members of the same sex.

People scare me.
 
Thank You Lazy Dolphin...I was just about to point out that same exact thing....*shakes head* What people see as problematic....it's depressing, really.
 
I can understand the rape and shooting but yeah but when more people complain about lesbian scenes, in the days of tipping the velvet, "the lesbian kiss" poster, mug etc and where every female actress/singer has a 'lesbian' kiss caus its 'cool' is STUPID.

BBC2 is also stupid for not moving it back a bit.
 
I still find it annoying people act like this.
God, we live in the now, which is surrounded by gay people, who are people too! I dont see the problem, as long as they're in love, it shouldnt matter what gender they are!
 
I agree with you. If those people grew up in this world, two people of the same sex kissing is not a surprise. Accept it and move on. They're in love. Don't try to stop that. I am concerned that little kids could be watching the rape scene 'cause it aired so early.
 
I can understand the argument that BBC should have moved the episode to a later time slot, however, there are ratings for a reason. If an adult is concerned, it is their responsibility to look out for the "well being" of their child, and if so disturbed themselves, to simply not watch.

Although the episode did slightly differ frome the usual formula of Buffy, it was not that drastically different, and there certainly have been more suggestive scenes between Willow and Tara. Does anyone remember when they were "conjuring" in season four ("Who are you" or "This years Girl" can't remember), or the scene in OMWF? In anycase, the show has been around long enough for people to know that the show sometimes contains content of a disturbing/ "questionable content".

I'm so irked.

~Kindred
 
wow I just can't believe they complained about that??
There has been much worse shown in buffy, and they are complaining about that?..
What about the Buffy/Spike sex scenes, one where you could definitely hear the zipper, and they knocked down a house?? I mean COME ON!! That is ok but the little Tara/Willow shot if offensive? Gesh ppl..
And violent?? This is Buffy, killing (aka slayer) is in the name.. What do they expect? And plus I thought it was great Joss decided to tackle the "˜rape' topic. It is a common thing, happens every day and it's horrible.. So why would a scene showing a woman triumphantly fending off her attacker be such a bad thing? Couldn't that be seen as empowering or something??
I don't know, I really don't care for the politics of screening television. I just don't see why they consider that episode any more offensive than the others.. Plus do they show American movies on tv there? Cause if they show them, but complain about Buffy, that would be a whopping double standard. God knows the movie violence could put Buffy to shame any day of the week. Yep so done ranting now.. lol but it's just a shame some people are so closed minded.
ciao ~ faithy
 
You guys have summe dit all up really, God how pathetic are the BBC ? They might as well just carry on with the Recieved pronounciation, and sexist views as well, becasue its like were still living in the 60's
 
I didnt know (as I dont watch it on BBC2) that when Spike handcuffs Buffy it was cut during the 6:45 showing, and then later you saw her rubbing her wrists. We were discussing Buffy in Media Studies and this came up.
 
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