Violence in tv and film:Does it encourage violence in real life?

captain peroxide

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I've wanted to start a thread on this subject for a while,but
with so many other interesting threads around,did'nt have the time,lol.
Anyway,do you think the violence shown in television shows like Buffy,and others that are more graphic in nature,and in films,lead people,especially children(We all know they watch them)to copy their heroes.
A person once stabbed someone with a stake(I dont know if they died)in a copycat incident from a tv show.
Was other factors involved,like drink,drugs,illness,to blame.
Shouldn't we be able to comprehend the differance between reallife and acting,fact and fiction?
Its not (IMO)that straight forward.Especially when it comes to children,who learn alot from their idols on tv and films.Usually its harmless fun,kids will be kids after all.
Sometimes however it takes a more serious turn,and someone gets hurt,or worst still killed.
What do you think?
 
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Grey Ghost
Great thread
Well I knew once I saw the trailer for that Angelina Jolie movie (where she curved the bullet) that some idiot would try to do that. Surely, the next day, somebody did. I don't think anyone got hurt, though. Oh and a while ago I read an article about these kids who called themselves vampires went to this girl's house and killed her parents and their guests and drank their blood. Pretty sick stuff.
 
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captain peroxide
Somebody tried the bendy bullet deal?woah
I used to have massive debates in my Media class during my A Levels about this subject, which we always referred to as the 'Hypodermic Syringe Model.'

I thought then, and still do, that television, music, films, computers etc, DO NOT cause violence in real life. Anyone who goes out to imitate something from a film or a television programme, to me, is just as likely to do something of that sort anyway.

I consider myself a relatively sane person and I watch violent films and stuff a lot, but it's never made me think 'I'm gonna try that' and I think its the same for children. For me, normal, well bought up kids don't go out and try and do something they've seen on tv in a film.

Obviously, there are a lot of cases that have been pinned on films, a lot of murderous rampages are usually related to Natural Born Killers and the like, but I think it's just a scapegoat. As Scream says: Billy: 'Movies don't make serial killers, they just make serial killers more creative' (to that effect anyway) and Mickey's going to blame it on the movies.

The media, government, parents etc, use the TV, Film and Gamin industry as a way to ignore the fact that there are some pretty messed up people in this beautiful world of ours.
 
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Great post!
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captain peroxide
Relatively?
laianna
laianna
Good post.
This is a subject that always sets me off, and I'm sure that at least some of you have heard me vent about it before, but for those young and innocent ears that have not been bent yet, here goes.

Every time some kid goes out and hurts someone, supposedly because of what he or she saw in a movie, every time a newspaper blames the actions of some emotionally disturbed, or just plain mean, kid on what they saw done in "The Matrix." or "Halloween," or any other so called action thriller horror movie or tv show, it is simply a way to shift the blame off of the real reasons for that behavior: irresponsible parents and authority figures who either will not or can not teach the children under their care the difference between right and wrong, good and evil, and fantasy and fiction.

I grew up in a time long before movie ratings. If we had the money to buy the ticket, we could go in and watch the movie. I grew up with a father who was an avid hunter, and our home was full of guns. My first dog was a Pit Bulldog, who was never kept in an enclosed yard, on a leash, or muzzled. I was raised to believe that, boy or man, a good sharp pocket knife was as much a part of my clothing as my socks or shirt. Despite all of those so-called "bad" influences, I never tortured animals, molested children, took anything that didn't belong to me, tried to cut or shoot anyone or any THING unless it was for food or for protection, and the idea of going into a school, hospital, or mall with a gun and the intention of killing whoever happened to be there at the moment would never have even occurred to me.

The reason that I didn't do any of those things, the reason that doing them never even occurred to me, I firmly believe, was largely because I had parents who loved me, spent time with me, took the time to explain to me the difference between right and wrong, praise me when I did the former, punish me when I did the latter, and served as positive role models. Also, the teachers in my schools were respected, even feared to a healthy extent, and we knew that their word, within the confines of the school, was law. There were no arguments, and the only higher figure was the school principal, who kept and actually used a strong wooden paddle whenever it became necessary.

If a student had come to school where I attended, armed with a small arsenal of firearms and ammunition, the way it happened at Columbine, the first teacher that they met, whether it was the 230 pound ex-marine football coach or the 98 pound English teacher, would have taken the guns and sent the perpetrator to the Principal's office. Once there, their parents would be called to pick up the guns and their children, who would most likely be suspended for the rest of the week, and face their parents' wrath once they got home. (And that's no exaggeration, because it happened just that way at my high school)

Now, my wife, a teacher of more than 30 years experience, is forbidden by county policy from so much as scolding one of the little darlings, and if little Johnny goes home with any sort of tale of abuse, the teacher is pulled into the Principal's office to defend whatever actions, either real or imaginary, that they have been accused of. Even worse, little Johnny is sitting right there when that teacher is verbally abused and threatened by the irate parents.

And, now, here's the real irony of the situation. That same parent, who threatened everything short of armed assault on the school personnel for trying to impose a minimum of order into the class room will bring that same child to our martial arts studio. "He has no discipline," they say. "We can't get them to do anything that we tell them. Can Tae Kwon Do really instill discipline and control in a student? We just don't know where else to turn. We've tried everything."

I'm not trying to say that my parents and the others of their generation were perfect, because they most certainly weren't. But crime was punished, society had rules (some better than others, but destinct rules, nonetheless) and authority was a responsibility, not a privilege. Somewhere between my parents' generation and the present one, we dropped the ball. Exactly when or why, I couldn't really say, but that's the fact, and I don't see any real widespread improvement anytime soon.

Okay, the old man's sermon is over. Y'all can go on about your business now.
 
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Fake Shemp
agree, people always want something to blame.
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For me... no.

I love martial arts movies, horror movies, wrestling... and I'm in no way violent. Thankies 🙂
 
I think that video games actually help prevent violence. What better way to take out a bit of your aggression/frustration/anger than by shooting up a bunch of pixels that can't feel a thing? I would think it would make people less likely to go out and perpetrate actual violence on others.
 
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No matter if it's books, films, video games or what have you (especially the video game discussion is very prominent here in Germany, used as ammunition by fear-mongering politicians in the vote-catching game) - my stance on it has always been that violence in media can push someone over the edge who's already on the edge because of socio-psychological problems, but violent media can not "make" someone violent who has been mentally and emotionally stable beforehand. There's a reason why certain stuff aren't supposed to be read/seen/played by kids and teens, but forbidding it outright (for adults) based on some blame-the-media theory no independent scientist has been able to prove? That's called censorship, and in my book, that's always a bad idea.

I don't agree with everything WA said, but my opinion is along the same line - the problem is in the society already, the worst that media influence can do is trigger a bomb that's already been fused up long before in someone by stuff having to do much more with values and education.
 
Just thought i'd say i dont think its to blame in every case,but
in some cases it is.As i've said whether those cases were to do with loonies,alchohol orientated,or drug orientated,is another matter.
I am completely impartial, neither here nor there,i wanted to know how others felt thats all.
I grew up............what am i on about i never grew up.I was raised to respect others,whomever they be,so i allways have,to the best of my ability.So i completely get what WA was saying,we have dropped the ball somewhere.I dont like violent games,not my cup of tea really,but if it gets some kid/adult,from doing it for real,its all good.
 
This debate has gone on for years and I believe that shows do influence the young (children and teens). I remember when Kung Fu was all the thing. Kids were imatating the fighters with kicks and chops not reaising how dangerous it was. There older counter parts were learning it not only for defence but other violent actions. All this because of the films and shows and I don't think things have improved. These days the violence is more graphic on TV and movies and we are saturated with these films/shows so much that young people grew immune to the reality of it all. The TV/Movies censors do not help matters, they let more and more graphic violence etc through. These days it is very rare to find a film that has been graded 18 (I don't know the age rateings outside the UK), average violent films are now 15, this is a very influential age.A lot of shows and films also have game spin offs, which are often violent (I have the Buffy ps2 game)so the youngsters then enact the violence this way but eventually goes out on to the street, after all no really gets hurt in games etc so to an immature mind it does not happen in real life. I will probaly go around in circles from here so it's time to post!
 
It depends on a lot of things, mainly how the subject is handled and the age of the person watching. Violence can be glorified and violence can be deplorable even if it is shown in precisely the same way. It's the message that surrounds it from the blanketing material that dictates how it is received, and if violence is received as glorified then it will clearly affect the viewer's mindset. Also, the age of the audience is important given that a lot of people say things like "I watch violent movies and I'm not violent" when they're twenty and their views, beliefs and personality are already fairly firmly ingrained. The reason that you might be able to watch a film that glorifies sadism and not be taken in by it when you're older is because you've already had twenty years of learning of peace and respect for others; if you were brought up on material that glorified violence, that's the way your mind would work. I'm not saying that violence in art should be censored, not at all, but people say things like "Oh I watch it and I'm fine" when they've got to understand that this question really isn't about adults who are already well-adjusted and conscientious members of society.
 
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captain peroxide
Jcc,you've got the point spot on
JCC, like you I watch a lot of violent or horror movies and I've never been tempted to copy but I believe that there are people who do copy their heros or the bad guys, sometimes just to see how it feels. Also like you I'm from the UK and we both know there has been an increase in youth violence in the last year or two and knife deaths are frighteningly on the up.

Another form of violence beng transmitted is the News, that isn't exactly a fluffy bunny programme. This is where some of the violence is being seen, and kids are seeing it as an everyday thing in life.

Movies and TV are not the sole reason for the problem but they do not help.
 
Violence on tv and games doesn't influence me.
But I heard that one kid played Grand Theft Auto all day. And not much later he killed his family because you that in GTA too, I suppose. Very sad.
 
As Cher says in Clueless "Until mankind is peaceful enough not to have violence on the news, there's no point in taking it out of shows that need it for entertainment value." 🙂
 
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Buffanator
Yup - that about sums it up for me!
That's not necessarily true, though. There's a marked difference in the way that violence is portrayed on the news than in entertainment, the news certainly doesn't tend to glorify or fetishize violence in the way that popular culture seems to.
 
i don't think that many are influenced by these things. Just the unlucky ones.

i do agree to some extent that some things are a bit bad , for example ,children to be playing GTA.

My little sister started playing Grand theft auto when she was like
6/7 years old. She would go about killing people for their money.
LOL.

it's quite funny, but sick at the same time.
So if she grows up to be a weirdo, then we'll know what influenced her!

LOL.


Anyone see the women on the Ricki Lake show, she drank blood and all that ! eek.
 
iI've watched films my whole life almost,some violent,some psychotic,and it never did me any harm.But as a kid the films i watched were certified U-PG,in other words anything other than cartoons and rainbow(its a brit thing)i could'nt watch.
And i turned out fine............"Roses are red,violets are blue
I'm a schizophrenic,and so am i"
See what i mean.
 
I feel that violence in TV and film doesn't so much encourage violence in real life as provide a scapegoat for killers (as when teenage killers blamed such games as Doom and Grand Theft Auto for their killing sprees). Violent films and TV shows might make you feel more violent (I read an interesting magazine article about this recently), but won't necessarily make you more prone to attack and/or kill people. However, if you're prone to violence, such TV and movies might give you ideas and provoke you to do something you otherwise wouldn't.
 
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