Virginia schools ban 'To Kill a Mockingbird,' 'Huckleberry Finn' for racial slurs

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Virginia schools ban 'To Kill a Mockingbird,' 'Huckleberry Finn' for racial slurs

A Virginia school has temporarily banned two American classics after a parent said her high school-age son was negatively impacted by the racial slurs they contain.

The decision to remove "The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn" by Mark Twain and "To Kill A Mockingbird" by Harper Lee came after a parent filed a complaint, WAVY reported. The parent cited excessive racial slurs as the reason for wanting the books banned, Superintendent Warren Holland told the news station.

The parent, whose son is biracial, said that her concerns are "not even just a black and white thing."

"I keep hearing, 'This is a classic, This is a classic,' ... I understand this is a literature classic. But at some point, I feel that children will not -- or do not -- truly get the classic part -- the literature part, which I'm not disputing," she said at a Nov. 15 school board meeting. "This is great literature. But there (are so many) racial slurs in there and offensive wording that you can't get past that."

The parent said her son, who was reading "Huckleberry Finn" for a high school assignment, couldn't get past a certain page in that story on which the N-word appeared seven times.

A racial slur appears 219 times in "The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn" and 48 times in "To Kill a Mockingbird."
 
I hope they don't keep the books banned. I have a passion for literature (I majored in English for my Bachelor's degree) so I don't want any of the classics banned. It's terrible that they have those racial slurs in them but unfortunately that was how it was during the time periods when they were written (not that that's an excuse for the slurs).
 
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[sarcasm]We should show how things were not that bad for people of color back then, after all, maybe Jim could take Huck up the river on his new yacht as long as Huck has a parental permission slip, preferably while Huck's father is in detox so that Huck needs a positive role model of a successful man respected in the community anyway. No, wait, can't show alcoholism as that would be legitimizing it, so we'll say while Huck's father is off providing relief effort for the people in Haiti and make sure the racial harmony there continued[/sarcasm]
 
Banning books simply because they use the "N" word and/or are focused on a place and time when such things were prevalent generally, in my opinion, doesn't make any more sense than banning "The Illiad" because it depicted slavery, violence, revenge, and the worship of pagan gods.

If we start banning every book that someone finds offensive, pretty soon there won't be anything but dictionaries in the libraries, and even the dictionaries will be censored for political correctness.
 
I think everyone is overlooking just how incredibly harmful and damaging the N word can be. Personally, I think the school responded to the complaint well. If a black student is (rightly) upset and distressed over an extremely offensive and harmful word, then I think the school has a responsibility to do everything in their power to make sure that student (and any other student) never has to feel like that again.

There are many, many classic books which don't use offensive terms, so I don't see what the issue is with removing two which do.
 
I'm not sure I support the idea of "required reading list" anyway. Why not let them choose which books to read within a broad context?

But it does seem to me that trying to ban or at least discourage the reading of books like that is a misguided attempt to whitewash history.

As for me, I read Huckleberry Finn as a kid (I think I was 12), and my impression was that it depicted racism and slavery as very ugly, ironically uglier than the history classes I was in ever did. Perhaps that's why the schools I went to (which subverted Black History month and other such things in terrible ways to trivialize it, downplay the hardships and abuses, and even use it to deliver backhanded compliments to people of color) didn't require reading it, and perhaps that was the real reason why one church group wanted it banned from the school library as inappropriate for our age. The reason they gave, at least as best I recall, was that they said the book promoted the idea that we kids could create our own morality (or words to that effect). The specific scene they objected to was where Huck was told that theft was wrong, and thus helping Jim (property) escape was wrong, so Huck was going to pray for forgiveness and turn Jim in to the authorities, but he was unable to ask God for forgiveness and decided he'd burn in Hell before he turned Jim back in.

In any case, it backfired as many kids wanted to read it once we realized there were adults who didn't want us to.
 
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I think everyone is overlooking just how incredibly harmful and damaging the N word can be. Personally, I think the school responded to the complaint well. If a black student is (rightly) upset and distressed over an extremely offensive and harmful word, then I think the school has a responsibility to do everything in their power to make sure that student (and any other student) never has to feel like that again.

There are many, many classic books which don't use offensive terms, so I don't see what the issue is with removing two which do.

We are living in a society where the right to free speech is rapidly being usurped by the right to be able to avoid anything you find offensive. Universities are now so much in the thrall of people who never want to be offended that it is doubtful any liberal arts education is going to exist in another 50 years. After all, a lot of literature shows the influence of its time and if you can't discuss anything or you need a "safe space", then classes replace education with indoctrination and the purpose of education is lost. What the teachers should include is a discussion of the progression of terms from "n*****" to negro to black to African-American to person of colour and confront racial bias head-on. I have heard blacks refer to themselves by the n word, so it doesn't appear to be offensive so much as a word reserved for their use only. All this does is convince me that there is no such thing as an education in literature - the winning students simply calibrate the teacher's biases and regurgitate what they think teachers like on the exams and no one exits the class with any more insight than they had when they walked in. The purpose of an education is to examine all ideas and not throw some out because some people are not in agreement. There is a difference between being offended and having actual harm done.

If you think political correctness is going to make racism disappear, you are mistaken. I worked at one company where the Human Relations officer was a woman who could never be tripped up about using the politically correct terminology. She always used the up-to-the-minute politicall correct jargon. But she was an hardcore racist and with the exception of a Filipino technician and an accountant from Sri Lanka, our company was white as a fungus. She finally hired a Chief Financial Officer who was white but took offense immediately with her and he literally walked in the door one week and punted her out the next. The rest of us thought favourably about him - we thought he was more than usually perceptive and proactive and no one complained about her loss. Schools are the same - political correctness is used to hide racism, not vanquish it.

Avoiding unpleasantness is never the way to solve any problem. The way to solve a problem is to shine a light on it, examine it thoroughly and demonstrate the who, how, where, what, when and why of the situation. The school took the coward's way out.
 
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We are living in a society where the right to free speech is rapidly being usurped by the right to be able to avoid anything you find offensive.
Oh, good god, I am tired of Americans hiding behind their whole "right to free speech". In fact, I would like to take the freakin' Constitution and light it on fire. The right to free speech does not mean the right to be racist, offensive, cruel, hurtful, etc.

And the N word is offensive, there is no refuting that. Saying otherwise is just vile.

Universities are now so much in the thrall of people who never want to be offended that it is doubtful any liberal arts education is going to exist in another 50 years.
You talk as if people are choosing to be offended, just to annoy people. And what is so wrong with people not wanting to be offended? We talk about Political Correctness as if it's something bad and trying, when really, it's just people striving for equality.

After all, a lot of literature shows the influence of its time and if you can't discuss anything or you need a "safe space", then classes replace education with indoctrination and the purpose of education is lost.
We're talking about one incident in one school, and you honestly think that "education will be lost" because one school chose to respond this way? And, again, there are many, many books which cover many, many themes and subjects which don't contain offensive language including books on race. What is so wrong with removing books that offend/hurt students, in favour of books which don't?

What the teachers should include is a discussion of the progression of terms from "n*****" to negro to black to African-American to person of colour and confront racial bias head-on. I have heard blacks refer to themselves by the n word, so it doesn't appear to be offensive so much as a word reserved for their use only.
The N word will always be offensive, to suggest otherwise is awful. The black community have adopted the word as a way to reclaim it and try to diffuse its harmful and damaging connotations, similarly to the way women have tried to reclaim the word "slut". It doesn't make the meaning behind the word any less degrading or harmful. Also, for every black person who uses the word, you will find another black person who reviles it.

If you think political correctness is going to make racism disappear, you are mistaken.
No one believes this, myself included, so don't condescend me. Racism will never end, it simply evolves to what is accepted at the time.

Avoiding unpleasantness is never the way to solve any problem. The way to solve a problem is to shine a light on it, examine it thoroughly and demonstrate the who, how, where, what, when and why of the situation. The school took the coward's way out.
No, the school took a decent way out, and showed that it is sympathetic to the student's feelings and emotions. And that isn't a bad thing in my books.
 
In Australia we have a show called Spicks and Specks, we wear thongs on our feet and black fellas smoke fags.

How long ago were these books written? They were not applicable in my schooling but I have heard of them and seen the movies. I gotta say, I am surprised a person of colour has issue with it, considering it depicts slavery as bad and the fact that she cant get over the use of the word kinda says more about her and her parenting than anything else. Instead of accepting it was artwork of its time - lets get caught up on one minor word and make a fuss so NO ONE can enjoy it.

So, if the americans ban all the politically incorrect books - what happens when american kids travel? And leave the safe space? Do they change their new environment to suit their needs? Oh that would be bad right? Like pilgrims and immigrants?
 
I think everyone is overlooking just how incredibly harmful and damaging the N word can be. Personally, I think the school responded to the complaint well. If a black student is (rightly) upset and distressed over an extremely offensive and harmful word, then I think the school has a responsibility to do everything in their power to make sure that student (and any other student) never has to feel like that again.

The mother who complained was white, and her son biracial. She claims she wants her son to see the best of both worlds. But how is sweeping an incredibly important part of history under the rug going to do that?

Yes, the N word is offensive. Yes, there is an ugly and shameful history of racism in our history. But deciding it's too uncomfortable to talk about isn't doing any service to our youth or education system. Those books teach us about how bad things were; like it or not they depict what life was like during that time. No one who reads those books is genuinely going to think that the lesson being taught is that the N word (or racism) is ok.

It's really hard to see how this is anything other than an attempt at whitewashing history. It's also hard to see how censorship benefits education.
 
The mother who complained was white, and her son biracial. She claims she wants her son to see the best of both worlds. But how is sweeping an incredibly important part of history under the rug going to do that?
Banning two books is hardly "sweeping an incredibly important part of history under the rug". Why is everyone on this thread acting as if we're talking about burning mountains of books and censoring everything in schools? We're literally talking about one school banning two books.

Yes, the N word is offensive. Yes, there is an ugly and shameful history of racism in our history. But deciding it's too uncomfortable to talk about isn't doing any service to our youth or education system. Those books teach us about how bad things were; like it or not they depict what life was like during that time. No one who reads those books is genuinely going to think that the lesson being taught is that the N word (or racism) is ok.
Ya'll are talking as if history lessons don't exist, as if children can't learn about the horrifying treatment of black people in America in other forms. You're talking as if banning these two books will completely obliterate any and all history these kids would learn, when really, it just means that two mediocre books won't be read by students this year. Why is everyone getting so bent out of shape over banning two books? Honestly, this is ridiculous.

It's really hard to see how this is anything other than an attempt at whitewashing history. It's also hard to see how censorship benefits education.
Again, we're talking about one school banning two books, like, really?! And yet, no one is focusing on the poor student who was obviously triggered and distressed by an offensive and harmful word. And why are ya'll arguing against this kid? This thread is full of uncomfortably racist overtones.
 
Oh, good god, I am tired of Americans hiding behind their whole "right to free speech". In fact, I would like to take the freakin' Constitution and light it on fire. The right to free speech does not mean the right to be racist, offensive, cruel, hurtful, etc.

Without the right to free speech, America really has no reason to exist. Free speech means anyone has the right to say what they want to say without government intervention. If the government intervenes, it may mean your right to disagree with me may disappear. The flipside of free speech is that I have the right to be judged by what I have said by people who agree or disagree with me. Who do you propose should adjudicate those rights? I have been to places where free speech is not allowed and I have no desire to roll back hard-won freedoms. Some of my friends in university and business were from former Soviet-bloc countries and they had no illusions about what happens when freedom is lost. A Czech boss that I had got a good laugh about one joke:

Remember the motto of the Sovietsky Express card - Don't leave home! (A play on the American Express Card motto of "Don't leave home without it" that was heavily advertised at the time.) He had been a professor of mathematics in the Czech republic who was sent to Egypt as an exchange teacher and when the time came for him to return, he decided that if he did, a better opportunity would come up. It did - he was set to the University of Waterloo in Waterloo, Ontario, Canada and when it came time for him to return, he didn't. When any freedoms fall, they all fall.

And the N word is offensive, there is no refuting that. Saying otherwise is just vile.

And I never use it. But I prefer to give someone enough rope to hang himself with - if someone calls someone else by that name, I know what to think of him (and in case you are wondering, I think he is an idiot).

You talk as if people are choosing to be offended, just to annoy people. And what is so wrong with people not wanting to be offended? We talk about Political Correctness as if it's something bad and trying, when really, it's just people striving for equality.

What is wrong with people not wanting to be offended is that no discussion and no learning is possible. There was a local university that tried to ban the use of the phrase "Israeli apartheid". If I were Palestinian, I would be offended about the ban because it describes the situation accurately. If I were to attend a course on modern history, there would be a very chilling effect - using a term of this type or any other landmine term would get me expelled or sanctioned in some way. So no objections could be made, no discussion could take place and the course would be indoctrination, not education.

Political correctness is not about equality - it is a way of looking down on some people as "lesser" and finding a euphemistic way of addressing them. I am quite sure the events around the movie "Stand and Deliver" which is about a teacher who tried to get his dropout-prone Hispanic students to learn calculus were handled with politically correct language by the school board who thought Hispanic students were constitutionally incapable of learning anything, let alone calculus. And don't forget, according to the originator of political correctness, you are not an American, you are a Yankee imperialist running dog. That was according to Chairman Mao, the man who established political correctness while killing ten million people.

Ask yourself, is there a company that would not hire a black woman but would hire a person of colour? Is there a girl who would not date a short guy but would date a vertically-challenged guy? In a few years, the word "challenged" will become as politically incorrect as any of the euphemisms before it.

Universities are getting this reputation now:

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It may be a joke meme, but it contains a germ of truth - professional offense takers have taken control of the schools and many see the current crop of graduates as people who will wilt under any adverse circumstances.

We're talking about one incident in one school, and you honestly think that "education will be lost" because one school chose to respond this way? And, again, there are many, many books which cover many, many themes and subjects which don't contain offensive language including books on race. What is so wrong with removing books that offend/hurt students, in favour of books which don't?

The majority of schools and universities are moving in this direction. Both Jay Leno and Bill Maher have remarked that universities are now so sensitive to any perceived slight that they will not do comedy at universities anymore. What is wrong with removing books? The student gets a sanitized view of what has happened. One of the things that university is supposed to do is acquaint students with all the ideas that are floating around, not just the "approved" ideas. How else can you challenge anything if you are kept from seeing it?

The N word will always be offensive, to suggest otherwise is awful. The black community have adopted the word as a way to reclaim it and try to diffuse its harmful and damaging connotations, similarly to the way women have tried to reclaim the word "slut". It doesn't make the meaning behind the word any less degrading or harmful. Also, for every black person who uses the word, you will find another black person who reviles it.

And what is the correct method to eliminate the use of this word (which I never use)? Sunlight is the best disinfectant. Laying things open to view with the reasons behind its use and offensiveness is really the only way to eliminate it.

No one believes this, myself included, so don't condescend me. Racism will never end, it simply evolves to what is accepted at the time.

Political correctness is simply a means of hiding racism, otherwise it wouldn't be in such common use among racists who are in positions to do real damage. There are a lot of people who take political correctness at face value - if a person says "person of colour", they believe he or she cannot be racist.

No, the school took a decent way out, and showed that it is sympathetic to the student's feelings and emotions. And that isn't a bad thing in my books.

The school took what could have been an important subject and wimped out. There was once a TV series about a school where this exact situation came up and they handled it by education (novel idea, isn't it?) They studied the history of the "n" word, its evolution (it was the politically correct, least offensive word at one time) and its effect on speaker and listener. And that is the only thing that stopped its use in the story.
 
I remember when we read To Kill a Mocking Bird in high school. I think the teacher just told us to say "n" instead of the actual word. I'm sure some of the black people had a problem with it, but they knew that it was a book written reflecting the times. The problem isn't that ONE school has banned TWO books. It's that it banned them to begin with! This is how society ends up burning books in the future like Fahrenheit 451! Personally, I think that when it comes to history things should not be avoided or edited just to ease people's emotions. Horrible stuff has happened in history and the only way to learn from those mistakes is to learn about them. It's sucks that the kid got offended. But for every one person that gets offended by the book's use of the n word, there are hundreds that don't. So it ruins it for everyone else that might have been interested in reading one of those classics. Also focusing on one word takes away from what the story is really about.
 
I remember when we read To Kill a Mocking Bird in high school. I think the teacher just told us to say "n" instead of the actual word. I'm sure some of the black people had a problem with it, but they knew that it was a book written reflecting the times. The problem isn't that ONE school has banned TWO books. It's that it banned them to begin with! This is how society ends up burning books in the future like Fahrenheit 451! Personally, I think that when it comes to history things should not be avoided or edited just to ease people's emotions. Horrible stuff has happened in history and the only way to learn from those mistakes is to learn about them. It's sucks that the kid got offended. But for every one person that gets offended by the book's use of the n word, there are hundreds that don't. So it ruins it for everyone else that might have been interested in reading one of those classics. Also focusing on one word takes away from what the story is really about.

I agree with this. Faranheit-451 is one of my favorite novels by the way so that's cool that you referenced it lol. And that's cool that you majored in English too! Now that I know that you were an English major I can see it in this response lol.
 
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So what happen if an Alien race has to move to this world. What will happen to free speech racial slurs if they have blue skin.
 
The parent said her son, who was reading "Huckleberry Finn" for a high school assignment, couldn't get past a certain page in that story on which the N-word appeared seven times.

I have the nagging suspicion that the boy might have simply found a convenient excuse not to do his assignment. 🙂

No, really, of all the books they want to ban for racial slurs they pick some with the most famous anti-racist messages of all time?

This is old news, by the way - the school board or whatever body decides those things had to "ban" the books temporarily as per procedure and subsequently they politely told the parent who complained to shut the hell up - Two classic novels returning to Accomack schools following vote
 
Yesterday I was rather tired and a bit testy. I didn't realize it or I wouldn't have posted. And thinking about this since yesterday, I've changed my mind a bit.

I just get tired of how schools lie and try to sweep problems under the carpet with mostly meaningless actions like this, especially as racial bullying against minorities rose to new levels when Trump began his campaign, and the school board has discouraged doing much about it fearing a lawsuit from a parent, and instead doing all they can to sweep it under the carpet (which always seems to be their preferred solution to anything). I really wanted the school to stamp down on that, but their hands were pretty much tied for a number of reasons. I'd have liked to have seen something like Jane Elliot's experiment and lesson come back as that was actually educational, but even Ms. Elliot said she was wary about it being made part of a program, because the wrong teacher (either out of malice or incompetence) could do far more harm than good with it, and that's pretty much true of everything.

At least I know many teachers there were also sick of it, unlike where I had the misfortune to go to school (I don't know how that school is today). At least I realized the school I went to as a kid was downplaying slavery and other racial issues (I was actually more angry over Yankee carpetbaggers than I was slavery, though), but had no idea just how badly they whitewashed history until I started reading books by Frederick Douglass (after I dropped out, best decision I ever made). And schools lied to me in other ways, like they do so many others. Sometimes it's to sanitize it, other times it's to terrify (like with sex and drugs, and becomes counterproductive as we'd dismiss the real dangers along with the fake ones), or because they sort of want to "inform us" but don't want to scare us, so they do a half-ass job that would be better served to have not even bring it up in the first place (like with "stranger danger"). And I hate how schools try to sweep problems under the carpet and "deal with them" in pointless ways while letting the actual ugly reality fester, even facilitate it while pretending to be against it.

On top of that it also seems silly when I see how many kids, including preteens, handle movies that are too gory for me with a blasé attitude, so what is Huck Finn compared to that? But on further reflection, I recall how I snuck in to see the Crow when I was 11 and loved it (and it even had an impact on the person I'd later become, I got interested in skateboarding because of that movie). And yet that same year, IIRC, I threw a fit about having to see Old Yeller for a third time at school. This was unusual for me, but I absolutely loathed that movie, and I probably would've disrupted it had I been forced. I appreciated that after awhile I was allowed to read quietly in the library rather than watch the movie again. And it's not like I needed Old Yeller to teach me about death as one of the school faculty members said (even if that were the case, I'd already been forced to watch it twice). I'm still not sure why the Crow was exciting to me but Old Yeller was too intense (that, and I hated the characters), but I do think a personal experience on my family's farm made the movie a bit too real (though it wasn't the same thing, but close enough). So it's not just easy to say "well this is fine, so that's fine as well." Our minds are more complicated than that.
 
And in regards to other things brought up in this thread, I wish the n-word was a word no one tried to reclaim. In my experience, it's used as a pejorative, not a positive sense.

Ironically, I was worried when my BFF went to visit my family in rural East Texas for a number of reasons, one of them is she's black and it's a pretty racist area (not that all of Texas is). It was actually fairly pleasant for her. She did get called the n-word...by a black guy after she refused his drunken advances and the horrible man realized that she and I were friends. He did not mean it as a compliment. She told me she was used to it. (But she still finds that term less offensive than "oreo.")
 
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So what happen if an Alien race has to move to this world. What will happen to free speech racial slurs if they have blue skin.

"Oh look, it's the smurfs!"
"Hey, the guys from avatar have arrived!"

In all seriousness though, I think the general reaction would be more along the lines of "Oh shit! Aliens are real!"

And yet that same year, IIRC, I threw a fit about having to see Old Yeller for a third time at school. This was unusual for me, but I absolutely loathed that movie, and I probably would've disrupted it had I been forced.

I hate it when animals die in movies. Didn't Old Yeller get rabies or something? In Dante's peak when the lava was engulfing the grandmother's house, all I was thinking was "please let the dog be okay, please let the dog be okay" (the dog was fine). Marley and Me makes me cry (one of the few movies that does). Anyone who has had to have a pet put down will know the feeling. Homeward bound makes me cry when the golden retriever falls in the pit. (it was fine but still it really gets you you).

If I was being forced to watch a movie like Old Yeller for a third time, I'd kick off too.
 
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Yeah, rabies. And the boy has to shoot the dog himself, which I suppose is for the best, but it's horrific (not to be confused with "wrong") to me.
"Oh look, it's the smurfs!"
"Hey, the guys from avatar have arrived!"

In all seriousness though, I think the general reaction would be more along the lines of "Oh shit! Aliens are real!"



I hate it when animals die in movies. Didn't Old Yeller get rabies or something? In Dante's peak when the lava was engulfing the grandmother's house, all I was thinking was "please let the dog be okay, please let the dog be okay" (the dog was fine). Marley and Me makes me cry (one of the few movies that does). Anyone who has had to have a pet put down will know the feeling. Homeward bound makes me cry when the golden retriever falls in the pit. (it was fine but still it really gets you you).

If I was being forced to watch a movie like Old Yeller for a third time, I'd kick off too.

Have you seen the film I am Legend? There's a scene in that film with his dog that makes me super sad every time.
 
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