Was Faith right to be annoyed?

Xin Rong

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I've been thinking a lot of Faith recently in series 4 and I wondered if i was in a similar situation as faith was when she woke up in a coma after being put there by buffy in order to save angel only to find that buffy and angel had split up and buffy 'appeared' be fine would i be royally ticked of.

Well to be honest i am not sure so i decided to do a more realistic analogy.
So I am a bully who beats people up for fun, my enemy is an anti bully fighter. However I posion my enemies boyfriend and he needs a blood tranfusion, and only me and my enemy (A) have the right blood type, so A beats me up and puts me in hospital in order to get my blood for her boyfirend. However the doctors won do the blood transfusion because i haven't given my consent, so instead they use A's blood. I am then put into a coma, whilst my step father, the one person i loved, is killed and i couldnt do antyhing to stop it. A couple of months later, i find A is leading a new life, never thinking of me and has broken up with the boyfriend she attacked me to save and it doesn't seem to have really caused her any harm.

In this situation I would be really annoyed at A however I dont think I would have the right to be. Even though I dont think Buffy should have attacked faith, I still dont think faith had the right to be annoyed afterall she had been going months of doing evil actions and now she was recieving the consequences of those actions. Therefore if i was to be annoyed i should be at myself and not A/Buffy afterall it was my actions that lead to the situation.

What do you think, would you be annoyed, if so, would you have the right to be?
 
Of course I'd be annoyed! I'd be way more than annoyed, actually. That's not just annoying, what Buffy did, when she put Faith in a coma. It was just as evil as some of the stuff that Faith did! I'm not trying to justify what Faith did in season 3, but when she woke up in season 4 she had every right to be upset that Buffy put her in a coma and that the one person who was ever nice to her was dead, also Buffy's fault. You can't say she had no right to be "annoyed", even though that's really not the word I would use. She had every right to feel however she wanted!
 
Xin Rong
Xin Rong
Didn't look at that POV thanks for pointig it out to me
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Winifred
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Well, as I see it, trying to put that situation into the real world is good in many ways, it has a lot to do with real life and the "is it ever right to kill a person"-question is of course always interesting.. (Not that Buffy actually killed Faith but she was damn near to do so, if Faith just hadn't woken up from that coma.) But, in the Faith/Buffy situation, it is really difficult. I mean I think Faith had every "right" to be annoyed but it's also really hard to say that someone doesn't have that right, like ever, 'cause obviously Buffy also had every right to be "annoyed" with Faith... But I also don't think any of them had the right to kill the other one, which kinda makes me be more on Faith's side, since Buffy tried to kill her as if that was the "right" thing to do... (Not saying Faith did the stuff that were "right" but she never pretended to either.)
Oh and btw this is one of the questions I should not even try to debate 'cause I start rambling, like now.. 😉
 
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Yea, I really think she has the right to be annoyed, but there's a big difference with being annoyed and doing this switching bodies thing. I'm sort of agreeing with Epo here, that they both had the right to be annoyed but that doesn't give them the right to do the stuff they did to eachother.. that doesn't mean I'm on Faiths side though...
 
Didn't look at it that way, our obviously right people are free to feel what they want to feel so if fiath wants to be annoyed then I guess she does have the right to be
 
Yeah, I mean you can't say anyone doesn't have the right to feel what they're feeling. But you could probably never say that someone's got the right to switch bodies with someone that doesn't want to, lol.. But then again, even though it doesn't make it right, I can understand why Faith did that, plus it made the Buffy/Fauth relationship forever even more complicated and interesting so... me like..
 
Well, if I were Faith, I would probably be really mad. Waking up after being stabbed by the supposedly Good Slayer only to find that Good Slayer is leading an entirely different life and has even forgotten about the Bad Slayer!

I also agree with princess_zombie in saying that Faith had a certain right by Good Slayer to feel however she wanted to feel...whether amused or completely p-oed, or both, Good Slayer can't really blame her. Hey, it's Good Slayer's fault anyway.
 
princess_zombie said:
Of course I'd be annoyed! I'd be way more than annoyed, actually. That's not just annoying, what Buffy did, when she put Faith in a coma. It was just as evil as some of the stuff that Faith did! I'm not trying to justify what Faith did in season 3, but when she woke up in season 4 she had every right to be upset that Buffy put her in a coma and that the one person who was ever nice to her was dead, also Buffy's fault. You can't say she had no right to be "annoyed", even though that's really not the word I would use. She had every right to feel however she wanted!
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Gosh, I completely agree with everything you've just said! I think Faith has more than a right to be annoyed and if I were in that situation, I would be out for revenge. I'm not condoning what Faith did, but she definitly had a right to be pissed at Buffy, cos I sure was.
 
Okay, but if Faith had the right to be angry and want revenge (not saying that any of you justifies what she did just that you understands..) wouldn't Buffy have the right to be pissed of at Faith in season 3 after all she did to her and the other scoobies?
 
Time Bomb said:
Okay, but if Faith had the right to be angry and want revenge (not saying that any of you justifies what she did just that you understands..) wouldn't Buffy have the right to be pissed of at Faith in season 3 after all she did to her and the other scoobies?
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Of course Buffy has the right to be pissed off. I am not saying that what Faith did in season 3 was at all right (many of the things). But there are some huge differences. I won't go into the whole me-pitying-Faith thing (because of Buffy treating Faith this or that way when she first arrived and all that), but there are other reasons, such as the fact that Buffy had friends while Faith didn't, that's obviously why she turned to the Mayor and so on. But most of all I think that what makes it so huge and scary that Buffy tries to kill Faith, is the fact that Buffy is the one who is supposed to always do the right thing, the moral thing, she is the one always talking about how wrong it is (no matter the situation) to kill a human, and so on. Faith did a lot of bad things, but I understand her way more, she was totally friggin' alone in this, and she was technically on the "evil" side, whether she was really evil herself or not.. (Again, not an excuse but an explanation..)
 
Hmmmmm I see it they both did their wrongs and they both got punished for it and they were both pissed off with each other. lol!
 
Time Bomb said:
Okay, but if Faith had the right to be angry and want revenge (not saying that any of you justifies what she did just that you understands..) wouldn't Buffy have the right to be pissed of at Faith in season 3 after all she did to her and the other scoobies?
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Yeah, I think they both have the right to be completely angry at each other and to want revenge. They both screwed up, big time.
 
I will probably be really unpopular for this but, I think Faith got what she deserved. She is the one who did that to Angel. If someone did that to my girlfriend and the only way to cure her was to kill the person that did it, I would do the same thing Buffy did. I am not saying that what Buffy did was right or wrong, but I am just saying that sometimes you have to do whatever it takes to protect the people you love.
 
Mulder22 said:
I will probably be really unpopular for this but, I think Faith got what she deserved. She is the one who did that to Angel. If someone did that to my girlfriend and the only way to cure her was to kill the person that did it, I would do the same thing Buffy did. I am not saying that what Buffy did was right or wrong, but I am just saying that sometimes you have to do whatever it takes to protect the people you love.
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Yeah well, I agree that I definitely understand that Buffy did what she did. I mean it was (at lest partly, and a that's apretty big part) Faith's fault that Angel needed slayerblood. But that's not what scares me, and I don't think that means Faith deserves to be punished, as I think punishment is pretty much always a stupid thing... But I definitely understand Buffy's reaction. Although it's still scary considering how 100% against killing humans she usually is.

(God I should stop ranting in this thread, sorry guys..)
 
Mulder22 said:
I will probably be really unpopular for this but, I think Faith got what she deserved. She is the one who did that to Angel. If someone did that to my girlfriend and the only way to cure her was to kill the person that did it, I would do the same thing Buffy did. I am not saying that what Buffy did was right or wrong, but I am just saying that sometimes you have to do whatever it takes to protect the people you love.
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I guess you could say that Faith deserved what she got, but it's really hard to hand out judgement like that. I mean, you could say that Angel deserved to get poisoned for all the people that he's killed, or that Buffy deserved to have her body switched because she gutted Faith. It's just too hard to try to hand out punishment and justify anyone's actions. It's easier to just try to understand why they did what they did.
 
Except Faith didnt even know the situation with what was going on, she doesnt have that much of a right to be mad at B since Angel is the one who left Buffy, not the other way around, Buffy did keep updates with Faith(Faith just didnt know it), and it may have appeared Buffy moved on(to riley) but she didnt as we saw. Faith just jumped to, to many conclusions after she woke up which didnt really help her that much.
 
Primal Slayer said:
Except Faith didnt even know the situation with what was going on, she doesnt have that much of a right to be mad at B since Angel is the one who left Buffy, not the other way around, Buffy did keep updates with Faith(Faith just didnt know it), and it may have appeared Buffy moved on(to riley) but she didnt as we saw. Faith just jumped to, to many conclusions after she woke up which didnt really help her that much.
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It's not necessarily the situation that Faith was mad about. Buffy gutted her and pretty much left her for dead, and killed the only person that ever cared for Faith. I'm not trying to justify Faith's actions, because she really screwed up too, but she had every right to be angry with Buffy.
 
I think somewhere deep down, Faith knew that Buffy did what she had to do. It was just hard for Faith because she had nothing left. No one to talk to, no one to care about her or anything. It doesn't condone her actions but her only reason for living (at that point) was to take something away from Buffy the way Buffy took something away from Faith.
 
Mulder22 said:
I think somewhere deep down, Faith knew that Buffy did what she had to do. It was just hard for Faith because she had nothing left. No one to talk to, no one to care about her or anything. It doesn't condone her actions but her only reason for living (at that point) was to take something away from Buffy the way Buffy took something away from Faith.
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What did Buffy have to do? Get Faith's blood? Angel needed a slayer's blood to live, and Buffy must have known all along that her blood could do.
 
princess_zombie said:
What did Buffy have to do? Get Faith's blood? Angel needed a slayer's blood to live, and Buffy must have known all along that her blood could do.
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Well of course she knew that all along. The thing was though that Faith is the one that did that to Angel so Buffy wanted Faith to pay the price by being his cure as well.
 
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