Was the attempted rape really necessary?
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Aloverssoulz
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I think it was. It was a powerful scene and it let Spike know that no matter how much he says he loves Buffy he's unable to fully care for her without a soul so he went and got one.
At least he didn't nearly drink her dry like Angel did to Buffy in season 3. I didn't know there was going to be a season 4 and worried she'd die (I was like 10 XD) Bangel fans have it much harder than Spuffy fans I think. "Becoming Part 2" and "I Will Remember You" are like torture to us 😛
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At least he didn't nearly drink her dry like Angel did to Buffy in season 3. I didn't know there was going to be a season 4 and worried she'd die (I was like 10 XD) Bangel fans have it much harder than Spuffy fans I think. "Becoming Part 2" and "I Will Remember You" are like torture to us 😛
EDIT: You post a lot. I like your activeness helping keep the site interesting 😀
brinkster130
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It was necessary, as it was the catalyst for Spike going off to get his soul.
I think people make a much bigger deal of it than it really is, I can totally see it from Spike's point of view, and it's not as though Buffy hasn't done something similar herself, just that it was presented as "Lol invisible Buffy is giving Spike head, how funny!" and in Seeing Red it was presented in a much more serious light, which comes across as unfair.
I think people make a much bigger deal of it than it really is, I can totally see it from Spike's point of view, and it's not as though Buffy hasn't done something similar herself, just that it was presented as "Lol invisible Buffy is giving Spike head, how funny!" and in Seeing Red it was presented in a much more serious light, which comes across as unfair.
Joan the Vampire Slayer
Well, she wasn't asking if the rape itself was nessesary; she is asking if the actual scene was nessesary, as opposed to it happening off-screen.
Hale Caesar
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Yeah, I think it was. Spike needed to do something terrible too realize he needed a soul to be able to truly be in a relationship with Buffy
PassionBecoming
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BananaBuffy
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This scene was one of the most important things that needed to happen. It doesn't matter how hard it is to watch, in fact for me it's not hard to watch because I know how important it is. If it had been a deleted scene so much woudn't have happened. It is what made Spike get a soul, it was the force behind a lot of what he did after.
Also, the audience needed to see this. Because Spike is a little different to some of the vampires we've seen in the fact that he is somewhat controlled by love and actually really cares for the ones he does love. Some members of the fanbase, especially Spike fans and Spuffy shippers would have been forgetting that Spike is in fact soulless. In fact, Buffy was almost forgetting that fact as was Spike himself. This event was a reminder to the fans, Buffy, Spike and even the writing team of what Spike really is. Spike was a killer, a vampire. He had no soul, was ruled by his emotions and again, even Spike says himself later that he isn't known for being a thinker. The scene made perfect sense and was very important for all of this.
So yeah. 🙂
Also, the audience needed to see this. Because Spike is a little different to some of the vampires we've seen in the fact that he is somewhat controlled by love and actually really cares for the ones he does love. Some members of the fanbase, especially Spike fans and Spuffy shippers would have been forgetting that Spike is in fact soulless. In fact, Buffy was almost forgetting that fact as was Spike himself. This event was a reminder to the fans, Buffy, Spike and even the writing team of what Spike really is. Spike was a killer, a vampire. He had no soul, was ruled by his emotions and again, even Spike says himself later that he isn't known for being a thinker. The scene made perfect sense and was very important for all of this.
So yeah. 🙂
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wickedtiger86
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I do think that it was necessary for all the reasons that [MENTION=10517]BananaBuffy[/MENTION] has already said.
This scene is incredibly hard for me to watch. It actually makes me a little bit sick to my stomach.
But! . . .This scene manages to point out that Spike is soulless and can't love Buffy the way that he wants to until he gets a soul.
. . . .And it also shows, very heartbreakingly, how much Spike can feel. The horror on his face and the complete realization of what he is. . . is very intense.
This scene is incredibly hard for me to watch. It actually makes me a little bit sick to my stomach.
But! . . .This scene manages to point out that Spike is soulless and can't love Buffy the way that he wants to until he gets a soul.
. . . .And it also shows, very heartbreakingly, how much Spike can feel. The horror on his face and the complete realization of what he is. . . is very intense.
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PassionBecoming
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BuffyElevated
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I agree that it was necessary. We needed to see that Spike was messed up inside, and so confused by his love for Buffy warring with the demon inside him.
Joan the Vampire Slayer
Carpe Spuffy!
Yes, it was. Think about it. If we hadn't seen it, it wouldn't have as much impact. Also, seeing the look on Spike's face when he realized what he's done? So sad; that is some of James' best acting in the entire series. It's important for us to see how remorseful Spike is for what he's tried to do to Buffy.
Exactly. The look on his face tells us that he honestly couldn't control himself, that the demon inside him had taken over, and in that moment he realized that he would never be able to control the demon inside of him - and therefore never hurt Buffy again - unless he got a soul. I believe it was that moment that he decided to get the soul. He'd probably been entertaining the idea for a while, but it was that day in the bathroom that he decided to go through with it.
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I think it was needed but I did not want it to be there for many reasons. Need and want are obviously different. It shaped Spike and Buffy's characters and following storylines. Although I don't think they dealt with it particularly well and like I said I'd be happier without it.
