Was Willow being unfair to Oz?

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In the episode "Wild at Heart", Willow got very upset about the whole Oz and Veruca thing (Which was somewhat justified). Don't get me wrong, I positively love Willow, and I love her relationship with Tara, but I think that she treated Oz unfairly for a number of reasons:
1. The chemistry between Oz and Veruca was a purely werewolf attraction, but Oz still loved Willow when he was human.
2. If Oz hadn't brought Veruca into the cage and "mated" with her, then she would have run free and possibly would have killed people.
3. When she cheated on Oz, he gave her a second chance.
4. She didn't even give Oz a chance to explain himself.

On the bright side, if they hadn't broke up, then we might never have met Tara. But anyway, what do y'all think of Willow's treatment of Oz?
 
palabravampiress
palabravampiress
You pretty much lay out all of the arguments I would have made, and more succinctly, too. Kudos!
I think her reaction was completely understandable and justifiable. She was shocked, hurt, angry, etc. As she said, he had not only cheated on her, he had been lying to her, consistently, for days, if not weeks, about his attraction to Veruca. Her attack on him when she found him and Veruca together was her immediate, knee-jerk, emotion-laden reaction. Unfortunately, she was never really allowed to get past this reaction because Oz ran off almost immediately. There was no closure (until he came back), just a big open emotional sore that was left to bleed.
 
Yeah, i agree with Blondie bear.... Oz saying he didnt have a choice isnt completely true, he had known that she was a wolf before that night, so he could have told the scoobies he didnt necerly need to lock her up with him and mate.

They would have tried to help her even if she didnt want to, yeah willow cheated on oz before but that was something that Her and Xander had tried to stop and they thought that they were going to die and all that, it doesnt make it right it just, its one of those moments,plus they were high school kids, they matured after that and after wards Willow tried to prove her self to him,

so if he felt hurt or betrayed from that, then especially after that he shouldnt even had seen veruca while as a human. And like he said the wolf is always inside him, so even as a human, part of him was attracted to Veruca, because the wolf is a part of him. and she would have giving him a second chance, but oz took of, so if he didnt get a second chance it was his own fault for leaving her, yeah it was to protect her and he came back but he still took of

and about not giving a chance for oz to explain, its not like he gave her one either, he took her back but after he realized he missed her, and the whole veruca thing had been going on for a while and willow had noticed things between them for a while and he wouldnt talk
 
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all points i agree with :)
I can see your points. I suppose things might have gotten better between them if Oz hadn't left immediately, so Oz is equally, if not more to blame. I agree that Willow's reaction was emotional and knee-jerk, and, under the circumstances, justified. I guess from her point of view, she was completely in the right. When you're upset, it's hard to have a calm, balanced discussion.
I guess my end verdict/opinion is this: Both sides had just causes, but neither side was completely right. In the end, however, I guess I support Willow.
Yes, I know that I seem to be flip-flopping, but:
1. You all have brought up compelling arguments,
2. Like Wiccaness pointed out, Willow was willing to take Oz back, but he left.
3. I was trying to show things from Oz's point of view.

Have a nice day.
 
Um, no. lol

Don't get me wrong, felt for oz too. Twas a situation bad for everyone. I don't believe for a second oz would have cheated on Will without the whole werewolf thing driving him crazy, which makes it all rather tragic.

Veruca was a bitch. Happy happy happy that wolfoz snapped her neck! lol!
 
I don't think WILLOW was unfair. She had moved on. She didn't think Oz was coming back. He sent for his stuff. She thought it was finished. I am glad she choose Tara. I like Oz......alot...but I love Tara even more.
 
I'm not for a second suggesting that she take Oz back. I like Tara better as well. Again, I was just trying to see thing's from Oz's perspective.
 
Thank you. I hope that that was actually a compliment, not sarcasm (I can't tell them apart on message boards...) I think my "Oz perspective" fixation stems from reading too many advice columns with one sided letters and advice. 🙂
 
It was reasonable. I was yelling at Oz while watching. He knew, as human, something was up. That there was an actraction, even before he found out what she was. He didn't stay away.
 
Willow wasn't entirely unreasonable but I do think that she should've given Oz a proper chance to explain or to at least try and apologise for his wrong-doings. She was clearly upset and confused even before Oz and Veruca did the dirty because she felt there was an undeniable attraction between the pair (the whole 'Oz-blushing-behind-the-ear thing which was meant for her only) etc. It was Oz's own fault for not staying away from Veruca, even when he found out what she was.
 
Supergirl said:
Willow wasn't entirely unreasonable but I do think that she should've given Oz a proper chance to explain or to at least try and apologise for his wrong-doings.
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Do you mean this during the time that she found them together or later on?
 
Wiccaness said:
Do you mean this during the time that she found them together or later on?
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Later on. Because at the time, I don't think either of them were in the right state of mind to be talking sense, what with Willow clearly distraught and Oz (from what I gathered he'd feel like) completely humilated with himself. They both needed time to gather up their thoughts and think about what they'd done and what needed to be done.
 
Supergirl said:
Later on. Because at the time, I don't think either of them were in the right state of mind to be talking sense,
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ok, then id have to disagree with the part that she should have given him a proper chance to explain, because she basically did give him a chance, she went to his room, and found him packing he told her he was living by choice and she asked

Willow : Don't I get any say in this?

Oz : No.

So if he didnt get a chance to explain, it was because he didnt take it


He did tried to explain it at the time that willow found them together, so i think i would agree with you if it was at the time, i also agree that they werent exactly in any right state of mind
Might be why Willow didnt really listen to what he was saying
 
Wiccaness said:
ok, then id have to disagree with the part that she should have given him a proper chance to explain, because she basically did give him a chance, she went to his room, and found him packing he told her he was living by choice and she asked

Willow : Don't I get any say in this?

Oz : No.

So if he didnt get a chance to explain, it was because he didnt take it


He did tried to explain it at the time that willow found them together, so i think i would agree with you if it was at the time, i also agree that they werent exactly in any right state of mind
Might be why Willow didnt really listen to what he was saying
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That's true, actually. But I think that she could've pushed a bit harder to get an explanation out of him.. I mean, afterall, she DID kinda deserve one.
 
Supergirl said:
That's true, actually. But I think that she could've pushed a bit harder to get an explanation out of him.. I mean, after all, she DID kinda deserve one.
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Yeah i agree with you there too, but i think she was just to hurt to prod anymore, she even questioned him about if he loved her, i think that if he had stayed for a bit longer, let things cool of a bit, then either willow would have gone looking for him or he would have gone to her and tried to explain
 
Wiccaness said:
Yeah i agree with you there too, but i think she was just to hurt to prod anymore, she even questioned him about if he loved her, i think that if he had stayed for a bit longer, let things cool of a bit, then either willow would have gone looking for him or he would have gone to her and tried to explain
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True, true. I guess she just figured it was better to just lay to rest what they were than sit back and dwell on what could've been. I think that way it hurt less.. I mean, I don't think she'd of liked to hear a full detailed explaination of what had happened between him and Veruca but, I mean, c'mon, he didn't even say sorry :/
 
Supergirl said:
True, true. I guess she just figured it was better to just lay to rest what they were than sit back and dwell on what could've been. I think that way it hurt less.. I mean, I don't think she'd of liked to hear a full detailed explaination of what had happened between him and Veruca but, I mean, c'mon, he didn't even say sorry :/
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Yeah, thats one of the things that bugged me about it

Well it was the whole not saying sorry and then coming back saying he can be what she needs
 
Wiccaness said:
Yeah, thats one of the things that bugged me about it

Well it was the whole not saying sorry and then coming back saying he can be what she needs
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I think when he came back, it was totally unfair of him because she'd moved on.. as hard as it was for her, she managed to get over him, get happy again and found someone else who was much better for her, IMO, than Oz was. So I think he expected her to of been mooning over him for that whole period of time he was gone, and when he came back, she'd be at his beck and call. I mean, I LIKE Oz, but I think he should've stayed away after he left.. he only ended up opening old wounds that had very nearly healed.
 
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