Was Willow More Powerful Than Buffy?
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By the time season 6 rolled around no doubt. She nearly ended the world and was only stopped because she chose to. Buffy wouldn't be able to do that no matter how hard she tried.
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JCoatsworth
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Yeah, I'm with [MENTION=11853]Jodast[/MENTION] on this one...(well, not just this one. I'm with you on a lot of things. 🙂). Willow truly kicked every square inch of Buffy's ass. As much as it was painful to watch, Willow reigned supreme, even though brute force wasn't even necessary. I kind of saw that as a commentary on real life. Violence doesn't solve anything. Love does. All you need is love. (Cue dry attempts of singing The Beatles).
Also without Willow, Buffy and the potentials would have never defeated the Uber-Vamps in "Chosen". By the end of the series, Willow was not only more powerful than Buffy, but more powerful than almost anyone.
Also without Willow, Buffy and the potentials would have never defeated the Uber-Vamps in "Chosen". By the end of the series, Willow was not only more powerful than Buffy, but more powerful than almost anyone.
Jodast
All you together now 'All you need is love, da da dada daaaa' :)
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BuffyElevated
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It's hard to say. It's obvious that she kicked Buffy's ass, but she also tended to get drained of her power and go weak. I think if it had lasted long enough, Buffy might have been able to hurt or stop Willow, but only because Willow's magic had drained.
brinkster130
Riley's BFF
I think Buffy was physically stronger and more powerful, but Willow's mystical power was so great it more than compensated for whatever she physically lacked.
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funsmiley
Potential
It's hard to say. I would say she was more powerful, yes but only because of the magic buffy was psychically more powerful but that didn't really matter, willow still kicked her ass. And nearly ended the world, yeah you could say she was more powerful but she was almost more powerful then anyone at that point.
JCoatsworth
UP THE IRONS!
Willow was definitely stronger than Buffy. She could have killed Buffy in an instant by, for example, letting her heart explode or something. And in a fist fight as well. Now, you could call it cheating that Willow used her powers to make herself physically stronger, but in the end it doesn't matter, anyway. She would have ended the world and there's probably nobody who could have stopped her by fighting her.
Agree, but someone pointed out to me that they wouldn't really have needed the Scythe or any of the potentials, because they only won because of Spike and the thing he had around his neck. But that's off-topic.
white avenger
white avenger
I think that it's pretty much an apples and oranges thing, hard to really compare the two. Yes, in Season 6, Dark Willow made an excellent match for Buffy, but it has to be remembered just how that fight went down. Buffy was pretty much fighting as a holding tactic to allow Jonathan and Andrew to escape. As a result, she had to ignore her greatest tactic, the same one that she eventually used to beat Caleb before she recovered the Scythe: speed. She couldn't, as she advised the Potentials later, "run away. Seek the higher ground. Make the fight your own." She HAD to stay and take a beating in order to allow the others time to escape. Also, it must be remembered that she still considered Willow a close friend and was almost certainly holding back a bit, even if only unconsciously. The results of that single fight shouldn't be the only thing considered in answering the question of who is the most powerful, or skillful, fighter.
Something else to consider is that Dark Willow's power was the result of a magic spell, therefore dependent on her magical energy. After a few minutes of fighting, her power diminished, and she had to recharge, something that Buffy would have never allowed her the time to do under normal circumstances. Buffy would have kept up a "punch and dodge, kick and duck" strategy until Dark Willow's power was completely depleted.
Under different circumstances, with nothing to consider except the fight itself, I think that Buffy would have beaten Dark Willow. It might have been close, but Dark Willow, relying on just her superior strength, would have fallen victim to Buffy's greater speed, endurance, and experience.
Something else to consider is that Dark Willow's power was the result of a magic spell, therefore dependent on her magical energy. After a few minutes of fighting, her power diminished, and she had to recharge, something that Buffy would have never allowed her the time to do under normal circumstances. Buffy would have kept up a "punch and dodge, kick and duck" strategy until Dark Willow's power was completely depleted.
Under different circumstances, with nothing to consider except the fight itself, I think that Buffy would have beaten Dark Willow. It might have been close, but Dark Willow, relying on just her superior strength, would have fallen victim to Buffy's greater speed, endurance, and experience.
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RogueDemonHunter
Yes, this, definitley
Power drainage was Dark Willow's weakness, yes, but she could've crushed Buffy in a heartbeat, so that's pretty much moot. She could've suspended her like Warren, burned her with fire, crushed her heart, teleported her and dropped her from a height... her magical abilities were virtually unlimited.
white avenger
white avenger
We've both seen Buffy face demons with supposedly "unlimited" power before, and it was, ultimately, always the little blond cheerleader who walked away dusting the demon residue off of her hands. I can't find anything in this situation that makes me see it as in any way different. Obviously you, and several others, do, so I think that this is just going to wind up being filed in the "Cave Men vs Astronauts" file, because I can't see either of us giving any ground on this topic.
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Gotta persist, because I think this is way different. Buffy has always been weak to magic, though this was never really exploited on the show, because, well, it's her show. But unlike Glory and Adam (the former having amazing strength and speed, the latter being virtually indestructible), Dark Willow has power that does not require her to physically touch Buffy. She could curse her from afar, even. What defense could Buffy possibly have against that? I doubt any other witch could defend from that much power.
white avenger
As I said, cave men vs astronauts. My money's still on the blond.
Willow is clearly more powerful than buffy... it's barely even debatable... Buffy has strength and speed, Willow can also have these things, along with a million other powers... she can basically do anything, even in s4 with her my will be done spell she could have simply said I will buffy to die, and she'd be dead... so add three years and a whole lot of dark magics, along with rack and giles magicks, accompanied with her expanding knowledge and talent then it's just silly... the biggest bad in buffy was glory, and who was the only one who came even close to hurting or stalling her... willow... she took on a PTB and held her own... There's no limit to what she can do, whereas buffy is supremely limited, as her powers are merely physical... The end