What episodes feature Buffy at her most likeable, and at her least likeable?

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For me.... most likeable: Welcome To The Hellmouth, Prophecy Girl, the last 3 S5 episodes (in particular, The Gift), Killed By Death, Hells Bells.

Least likeable... Innocence (why the anger towards Jenny? It makes sense) and Earshot. Words can not describe how much I hate buffy in that episode.
 
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For me.... most likeable: Welcome To The Hellmouth, Prophecy Girl, the last 3 S5 episodes (in particular, The Gift), Killed By Death, Hells Bells.

Least likeable... Innocence (why the anger towards Jenny? It makes sense) and Earshot. Words can not describe how much I hate buffy in that episode.

Still trying to come up with one for my answer, but in the meantime, why don't you like her in "Earshot" or "Innocence"? I get her anger towards Jenny. I totally get it. She may not have been fully aware of what would happen if Buffy and Angel got together, but she must have suspected something bad. And yet she did nothing. She didn't even speak to Giles or Buffy. Seems pretty irresponsible to me.
 
Most likeble Becoming, Anne, Gift, least Lies my Parents Told me,AtS Sanctuary, prety much all of the comics.
 
Still trying to come up with one for my answer, but in the meantime, why don't you like her in "Earshot" or "Innocence"? I get her anger towards Jenny. I totally get it. She may not have been fully aware of what would happen if Buffy and Angel got together, but she must have suspected something bad. And yet she did nothing. She didn't even speak to Giles or Buffy. Seems pretty irresponsible to me.

I'll take back what I said about Innocence. What I dislike about Earshot is what Buffy said to Jonathan. It was so condescending. No buffy- you can't compare the general classmates pain to a suicidal, depressed, bullied teenager's pain. The worst point of it is when Buffy references ''the kids that pick on you''- why should honestly, Jonathan, care about them?

This article explains it well: http://www.comicvine.com/myvine/fad...e-of-buffy-tvs-not-what-youd-expect/87-69107/
 
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I always hater her in that too. Like she would even know anything about how hard his life is.
I'll take back what I said about Innocence. What I dislike about Earshot is what Buffy said to Jonathan. It was so condescending. No buffy- you can't compare the general classmates pain to a suicidal, depressed, bullied teenager's pain. The worst point of it is when Buffy references ''the kids that pick on you''- why should honestly, Jonathan, care about them?

This article explains it well: http://www.comicvine.com/myvine/fad...e-of-buffy-tvs-not-what-youd-expect/87-69107/

After reading the article link, I have...mixed feelings about it. At best.

The author brings up some good points. I understand them, at least, even if I don't fully agree with all of them. However, he/she is wrong in a lot of areas as well. The points about how Buffy's life is so awesome just doesn't make any sense, and completely disregards, or doesn't even attempt to listen to, much of Buffy's character development throughout the entire series. It's just, in my view, wrong, and shows zero understanding of the character. Being the Slayer is not this awesome, super fun job. I mean hell, did the author even watch S2? I read a few of the comments below the article where the author launched into a number of tirades against people who disagreed with her/him. I've never really been a fan of people like that. It's always struck me as very odd to write an article or blog on a topic you're opinionated about, and then not want to even consider other viewpoints. That's arrogance, plain and simple, and nothing more. He makes several great leaps of logic in just deciding what the hardest things in life are, and stating them as fact, not opinion. And his "logic" of "Buffy's hot so she should be happier" is just, I'm sorry, childish idiocy.

Back to the article itself. I'm not saying "Earshot" is a well-written episode, but the question you asked of why should Jonathon care about how others feel is exactly what Buffy said, only reversed. Why should others care what he feels? There's a difference between being a bullied teen and being afflicted with depression. A big difference. I mean, this is the same Jonathon who became a self-titled "super villain" in S6 to get attention and make himself important. The same Jonathon who altered the personalities of people who had saved his life numerous times in order to make himself feel big. Clearly, he's an over-dramatic person, and I think that's a fair statement.

And remember, Buffy gives Jonathon her talk when she still thinks he's about to shoot up the school, not just kill himself. That's overlooked in the article. If I was in her position, and I thought Jonathon was going to start killing people, I wouldn't have even talked to him, to be honest. I would have taken him apart. Now, he wasn't there to kill everyone, but she didn't know that, so talking down to him (which I would argue she didn't) is more than well-warranted.
 
After reading the article link, I have...mixed feelings about it. At best.

The author brings up some good points. I understand them, at least, even if I don't fully agree with all of them. However, he/she is wrong in a lot of areas as well. The points about how Buffy's life is so awesome just doesn't make any sense, and completely disregards, or doesn't even attempt to listen to, much of Buffy's character development throughout the entire series. It's just, in my view, wrong, and shows zero understanding of the character. Being the Slayer is not this awesome, super fun job. I mean hell, did the author even watch S2? I read a few of the comments below the article where the author launched into a number of tirades against people who disagreed with her/him. I've never really been a fan of people like that. It's always struck me as very odd to write an article or blog on a topic you're opinionated about, and then not want to even consider other viewpoints. That's arrogance, plain and simple, and nothing more. He makes several great leaps of logic in just deciding what the hardest things in life are, and stating them as fact, not opinion. And his "logic" of "Buffy's hot so she should be happier" is just, I'm sorry, childish idiocy.

Back to the article itself. I'm not saying "Earshot" is a well-written episode, but the question you asked of why should Jonathon care about how others feel is exactly what Buffy said, only reversed. Why should others care what he feels? There's a difference between being a bullied teen and being afflicted with depression. A big difference. I mean, this is the same Jonathon who became a self-titled "super villain" in S6 to get attention and make himself important. The same Jonathon who altered the personalities of people who had saved his life numerous times in order to make himself feel big. Clearly, he's an over-dramatic person, and I think that's a fair statement.

And remember, Buffy gives Jonathon her talk when she still thinks he's about to shoot up the school, not just kill himself. That's overlooked in the article. If I was in her position, and I thought Jonathon was going to start killing people, I wouldn't have even talked to him, to be honest. I would have taken him apart. Now, he wasn't there to kill everyone, but she didn't know that, so talking down to him (which I would argue she didn't) is more than well-warranted.

Yeah, I do actually disagree with the author on many points now. Buffy's life is hard. She can't just go and spend 4 years in college. She has to spend a lot of her nights patrolling, I'm surprised she doesn't have bags under her eyes. I hadn't read the comments prior, and yeah I do agree with you on that point. I really hope I'm not coming across on this thread as someone who causes fights, I really was just interested in how Buffy is portrayed in differing episodes. I really hope no one is drawing comparisons with me and some elitist on yahoo answers! I think I'll just dismiss this episode as poorly written- it was stupid to connect Jonathan with the ''I'm gonna kill everyone'' thought and for him to then say that he didn't want to hurt anyone and just wanted to kill himself felt a bit... tacky. It just kinda bugs me when people say that ''Earshot deals with suicide'' because it doesn't. As someone with a history of depression and suicidal tendencies, I thought that season six explored depression way better, (and although I don't have much experience in this, I really did like and admire the Willow/ addiction storyline) and with the issue with bullying, although dated, ''The Pack'' had a nice metaphor.

Anyway, I think this question is hard, probably should've worded it as .... but I thought of an episode where I liked Buffy... a lot. In Family, where she sticks up to Tara's family. I'll never forget the look on Tara's face when she says ''you'll have to go through me''. I remember watching Season 5, and thinking to myself ''I really, really, really, really like Buffy''.🙂
 
Yeah, I do actually disagree with the author on many points now. Buffy's life is hard. She can't just go and spend 4 years in college. She has to spend a lot of her nights patrolling, I'm surprised she doesn't have bags under her eyes. I hadn't read the comments prior, and yeah I do agree with you on that point. I really hope I'm not coming across on this thread as someone who causes fights, I really was just interested in how Buffy is portrayed in differing episodes. I really hope no one is drawing comparisons with me and some elitist on yahoo answers! I think I'll just dismiss this episode as poorly written- it was stupid to connect Jonathan with the ''I'm gonna kill everyone'' thought and for him to then say that he didn't want to hurt anyone and just wanted to kill himself felt a bit... tacky. It just kinda bugs me when people say that ''Earshot deals with suicide'' because it doesn't. As someone with a history of depression and suicidal tendencies, I thought that season six explored depression way better, (and although I don't have much experience in this, I really did like and admire the Willow/ addiction storyline) and with the issue with bullying, although dated, ''The Pack'' had a nice metaphor.

Anyway, I think this question is hard, probably should've worded it as .... but I thought of an episode where I liked Buffy... a lot. In Family, where she sticks up to Tara's family. I'll never forget the look on Tara's face when she says ''you'll have to go through me''. I remember watching Season 5, and thinking to myself ''I really, really, really, really like Buffy''.🙂

Well said. I think this is an awesome idea for a thread, and really interesting. I was just curious as to why you listed "Earshot" is all. And absolutely, for people who are closer to certain situations, it obviously hits harder. I've found that myself in certain episodes. I think that's what largely happened in that article.

And don't worry, you totally aren't coming across as elitist or anything like that. Not at all. And a HUGE lol to the yahoo answers reference!
 
Ye gods. The author of that article is doing some MAJOR projection of personal issues there.
 
I find her most likeable in "The Prom". Least likeable? Most of season 7 really and the end of season 6 starting with "Villains" - I can't stand her sheer hypocrisy, egomania and lameness.
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Ye gods. The author of that article is doing some MAJOR projection of personal issues there.

And we're what, surprised by this? Projection, idealisation, doublethink and over-identification have been polluting this fandom since forever.
 
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