It's all so sad. You people are sitting here talking about it like it means nothing. I however, have seen the affects of drugs and addiction, its a disease, not some freak accident. It was not Joss's fault what-so-ever, how could you ever consider that a possibility? It shouldn't even be up for discussion. It's ignorant.
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After cross-checking the info a bit, this one seems to tell the story pretty good.
http://www.showbizireland.com/news/february03/11-quinn02.shtml
There's a more detailed, rumour piece here.
http://www.findadeath.com/Deceased/q/GlennQuinn/glenn_quinn.htm
http://www.showbizireland.com/news/february03/11-quinn02.shtml
There's a more detailed, rumour piece here.
http://www.findadeath.com/Deceased/q/GlennQuinn/glenn_quinn.htm
Nackereia
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I'm not sure if you're talking to me or not, but in case you are...sorry to say, but it pretty much is nothing to me. I mean, it's not like I knew the guy personally. He was a great actor, sure, but life goes on. If I knew him personally, maybe I wouldn't talk about it like it was nothing, but none of us do know him, and none of us know *all* the details. We just know what's released to the public. How can we talk about it like it's something to us, when we didn't even know the guy?
And quite possibly, it may have been nobody's fault. Maybe Glenn was just too high to realize that he was ODing? Who knows. Either way, his drug use might have affected how long Doyle was in the series for, and if he died, provided that Joss didn't decide to kill Doyle to (as I have heard) show that not everyone can escape death.
Black Eye Guy
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Ok how creepy is that site it"˜s so detailed!, and ever creepier is that it leads to a site where people go out and take pics of celeb graves! People have weird hobbies!
I'm talking about the person who thinks its a good idea to blame Joss Whedon for Glenn Quinn's death, it's the most pathetic thing i've ever read on this forum. When you have no idea what drug addiction does to a person, then don't post your comment. Regardless of whether you knew him or not doesn't matter. Nobody has a right to sit there and talk about something they have no idea about. It's a sensitive subject. But you should really be careful what you say to people, or what you say about a situation, aspecially when you have no idea what you're talking about.
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Again i say there would have been an actor change (Glenn had cancer as far as i know).. and as someone pointed out its not joss style to change actors although it could have been done if after being with the bomb he returned somehow (a few characters did - cordy buffy etc)but returned as a fulltime demon rather than a human/demon cause then the actor would be covered in makeup and it would allow for some kind of physical change - although i don't think him and cordy would have lasted as at that time she was too superficial to cope with dating a demon.
Nackereia
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Hmm, I'm not too sure about that. In Hero, she mentioned that being a demon was a very low point on her list, and it came below short, ugly and poor on her list of 'why-I-can't-date-you.' Although, it's also quite possible that you're right, she could quite possibly not be mature enough to date a full-demon (as opposed to halfling...someone who's half human, half demon...see Doyle, Angel, Cordelia Post Birthday...).
Nix
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Hahahahaha ok so when you say Glenn Quinn had cancer, I'd like to see the proof of that please. Because no one has mentioned a single thing about him having cancer, so please, indulge us!
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Edmund Blackadder
I could not disagree with your conduct more
Nix
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I'm sorry but do you have to be so nasty in your posts?
http://www.geocities.com/glenns_girl_01/charity.html
It does not say he had cancer it just gave that impression and i am sure at the time i read other articles speculating on it.. i am not saying he definately did - i just thought he might have...
Sorry other members I tried to stay on topic but wanted to answer this member also.
VisionGuy
She was really nasty.
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Edmund Blackadder
Hi, i like giving you Positive Karma......i hear its good for the baby:)
Schillaci
Scooby
I know this isn't the point of this thread, but I would just like to address some issues that have been raised regarding Glenn Quinn "suicide".
You don't go to a friend's house to kill yourself.
I have had childhood friend's and a close family member who have succumbed to the evils of heroin addiction. Research has proven that heroin addicts do not intentionally kill themselves.
As has been pointed out, suicide occurs when one's limit for pain is exceeded and they feel they can no longer go on. Heroin is a pain killer, a comfort drug. It is taken to reduce pain. Suicide occurs to end pain. Traditionally the two don't mix.
I am almost 100% sure, that Glenn Quinn's death was accidental.
As for the actual point of this thread. I have no idea. Questions like these should be left to fanfiction.
You don't go to a friend's house to kill yourself.
I have had childhood friend's and a close family member who have succumbed to the evils of heroin addiction. Research has proven that heroin addicts do not intentionally kill themselves.
As has been pointed out, suicide occurs when one's limit for pain is exceeded and they feel they can no longer go on. Heroin is a pain killer, a comfort drug. It is taken to reduce pain. Suicide occurs to end pain. Traditionally the two don't mix.
I am almost 100% sure, that Glenn Quinn's death was accidental.
As for the actual point of this thread. I have no idea. Questions like these should be left to fanfiction.
While I agree that a heroin overdose, though tragic, does not equal suicide, I think it is a valid question to ask what might have happened to the character of Doyle had it not been killed off the show. The two events are not connected for our purposes.
And just because someone misunderstands something, that doesn't make them an idiot. Please try to correct facts without putting other people down.
And just because someone misunderstands something, that doesn't make them an idiot. Please try to correct facts without putting other people down.
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Don't hate me, but I still wanna discuss the Glenn Quinn thing so I opened a thread here, How Did Glen Quinn Die?
Now on the question What if Doyle Didn't Die? It would create other questions like "Would you still need Wesley?" If so, which one would you want?
Now on the question What if Doyle Didn't Die? It would create other questions like "Would you still need Wesley?" If so, which one would you want?
Buffy Summers
Excellent idea - feel free to split off the appropriate posts from the original thread and merge them with the new one if you want.
Nackereia
Rock on, man ;)
Nackereia
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I'd rather have Wesley. I didn't really feel any attachment whatsoever with Doyle. I'm really not sure why. I just really find it hard to believe that Angel loved him like a brother (and part of that could be because of how stoic and unflappable he seemed for most of Season 1, including the part that Cordelia told Angel to talk about Doyle). I think the chemistry between Cordelia, Angel and Wesley is *far* better than that with Doyle. I'm not sure if it's the character chemistry or the actor chemistry (more likely the character though, because I hear that David B. had big respect towards Glenn).
Wesley seemed to fit in alot more nicely with Cordelia (their banter was easier than the banter with Doyle seemed to be), and his character was able to make Angel come out of his shell easier than Doyle's character. The overall feeling I get of Angel towards Doyle is that he doesn't feel that strongly one way or the other about Doyle (I understand if someone disagrees with me, since we all have our own opinions, I just feel that Angel was rather neutral). The only time Angel really showed strong emotion about Doyle's death was when Wes wanted to go with Angel to hunt down something in 1x11 - Parting Gifts, and Angel says something to the effect of "I had someone by my side, and I lost him. I'm not going to lose you too."
Wesley seemed to fit in alot more nicely with Cordelia (their banter was easier than the banter with Doyle seemed to be), and his character was able to make Angel come out of his shell easier than Doyle's character. The overall feeling I get of Angel towards Doyle is that he doesn't feel that strongly one way or the other about Doyle (I understand if someone disagrees with me, since we all have our own opinions, I just feel that Angel was rather neutral). The only time Angel really showed strong emotion about Doyle's death was when Wes wanted to go with Angel to hunt down something in 1x11 - Parting Gifts, and Angel says something to the effect of "I had someone by my side, and I lost him. I'm not going to lose you too."
VisionGuy
It was obvious Angel cared about Doyle because of the way he opened up to him in a lot of the eps. Way more than he opened up to anyone on Buffy before that.
Edmund Blackadder
Scooby
See here is the problem with that question.
Doyle - 9 episodes at the beginning
Wesley - 100+ episodes from both shows
Without doubt I love Wesley. His character, for me, has been a shining example of who well the writers can take one person and create some fantastic TV around them.
My personal opinion is that no other character was as well developed as him YET i'm not sure i'd pick him over Doyle because there just isn't a strong enough story on Doyle to be fair.
I also must take into account Cordelia.
Another character I love, but, in my opinion(again) she did alot of growing up from City of... to Hero but with the introduction of Wesley, as much as it was great TV, she did kind of stall on the maturing for quite a while, reverting to the Sunnydale girl we knew.
As I sit here, I will say I would not change Wesleys evolution for anything - I just wish I could have had my cake and eat it in the form of having both Wes and Doyle....but that is another question - could they have worked together?
Doyle - 9 episodes at the beginning
Wesley - 100+ episodes from both shows
Without doubt I love Wesley. His character, for me, has been a shining example of who well the writers can take one person and create some fantastic TV around them.
My personal opinion is that no other character was as well developed as him YET i'm not sure i'd pick him over Doyle because there just isn't a strong enough story on Doyle to be fair.
I also must take into account Cordelia.
Another character I love, but, in my opinion(again) she did alot of growing up from City of... to Hero but with the introduction of Wesley, as much as it was great TV, she did kind of stall on the maturing for quite a while, reverting to the Sunnydale girl we knew.
As I sit here, I will say I would not change Wesleys evolution for anything - I just wish I could have had my cake and eat it in the form of having both Wes and Doyle....but that is another question - could they have worked together?