What if... (season 4 onward)

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So recently I've been watching season 2 and I have been reminded just how much I love the gang as it is in season 2 and 3. So what if it had stayed that way for the majority of the series, or even the whole series?

Imagine Ats still happened (or if you have alternate theories allowing Angel to stay, be my guest), but with someone other than Cordelia. Perhaps Faith, Kate or someone completely different.

So season 4-7 of BTVS would still have Cordy, Oz and Giles as regular characters. How do you think they would have impacted the show's later years? If at all. What do you think would have been done with those characters and relationships.

Oz staying would certainly change some stuff for Willow and I wonder where they would've gone with Cordy and Xander had she stayed in Sunnydale. Would Anya realistically be a regular character if Cordelia had stayed? Would Tara even be introduced at all?

Go nuts!
 
You can only develop so many characters at a time, so I doubt Tara and Anya would be any more than cameo characters that show up for a few seasons. However, how many stories can you tell about Cordelia or Oz? Giles left for personal reasons, so he still would have been gone for most of Season 6. Xander may have had no romantic interest other than Cordy, Willow or (pathologically) Faith. Without Tara, Kennedy may have been introduced earlier as a competitor to Oz. There is only so much you can do without some personnel rearrangements before you start to repeat every story or you would have to conjure up a reason for a personality change. There would be no shy girl (Tara) and the story aspects that generated and there would be no fish-out-of-water comedy from Anya.

I think the personnel changes worked well enough and allowed a more varied array of stories to be told.
 
If Cordy had stayed I don't think they would have even bothered to bring Anya around, what would have been her purpose really? She and Spike were new Cordy in season 4, with Cordy there this wouldn't have been necessary. Spike still fills the "care bear with fangs" slot, but Anya... she'd be utterly redundant.

If Oz stuck around and he and Willow stuck together (might not have been so but if)... then I think we would have seen Xander turn gay (that was Joss' intent no? To have either Willow or Xander gay) So maybe we would've gotten a boyfriend for Xander... suitably a demon guy... maybe Spike 😉 Just kidding. Probably wouldn't have been Spike.

As for Cordy herself I would have liked seeing her and Buffy learn to relate more to each other and becoming a bit closer, because to me Buffy - almost as much as Angel - needs someone like Cordy in her life who can tell her to "cut the c**p" sometimes.
 
If Cordy had stayed I don't think they would have even bothered to bring Anya around, what would have been her purpose really? She and Spike were new Cordy in season 4, with Cordy there this wouldn't have been necessary. Spike still fills the "care bear with fangs" slot, but Anya... she'd be utterly redundant.

If Oz stuck around and he and Willow stuck together (might not have been so but if)... then I think we would have seen Xander turn gay (that was Joss' intent no? To have either Willow or Xander gay) So maybe we would've gotten a boyfriend for Xander... suitably a demon guy... maybe Spike 😉 Just kidding. Probably wouldn't have been Spike.

As for Cordy herself I would have liked seeing her and Buffy learn to relate more to each other and becoming a bit closer, because to me Buffy - almost as much as Angel - needs someone like Cordy in her life who can tell her to "cut the c**p" sometimes.

Tell that to the leagues of Spander fans out there. And no, never quite saw this one as a dinghy, let alone a ship for me.

It's impossible to say what difference it would have made. Would they have changed big bads? Would there just be Cordy and Oz playing the roles (more or less) of Anya and Tara? Most of the lines and actions would have been transferable.

I do like the 'cut the crap' comment!
 
As for Cordy herself I would have liked seeing her and Buffy learn to relate more to each other and becoming a bit closer, because to me Buffy - almost as much as Angel - needs someone like Cordy in her life who can tell her to "cut the c**p" sometimes.

Yes. I like this. I actually think as adults, Cordy and Buffy could have really gotten along and been pretty good friends.

That is, if she still matured, which I do think she still would have. I can imagine Cordelia going through a real rough patch in season 4 after what happens to her family and having the grades but not the money to go to college. Perhaps that would start to humble her somewhat. Maybe they could team her up with Giles who also seemed lost and give them something to do. Giles and Cordy were a very fun combo.

With Oz, I guess we may have seen more of his controlling the wolf stuff on screen. That could have been interesting. Perhaps he'd fail and that would still eventually lead to him leaving, or maybe he'd be successful, in which case he may take on Tara's concerned role during Willow's magic rave. Knowing how hard it is to have a dark, primal force inside that takes over, that'd be quite poignant for him to see in Willow.

It'd also be interesting to see Xander gay. Shame they killed Larry. 😉
 
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haha, I had the Larry thought as well!
I'm not too sure how that would have worked. I love Oz and Cordy, but I don't think they would have worked well with the later Buffy seasons. In the case of Cordy, it would have been interesting to see her dynamic with the group evolve, but there's a few issues with her staying. One, she's one of the characters that literally has no reasons to stay. Aside from fighting against evil, give me one reason as to why she should stick to Sunnydale, cause personally I can't really find any reasons. Two, she fitted much better on Angel, it suited her personality better in my opinion. Cordy needed something to push her towards evolving as a person, becoming a better version of herself. Honestly I can't see that happening around the Scoobies. Cordy needed a family, and she didn't fit the Buffy and co like she did with Angel and co. Surely the dynamic with the scoobies would have been interesting, I won't deny that, but as a character it was best for her to move on.

As for Oz, they could have done something interesting with him, but he suffers the same treatment as Cordy I believe. He plateaud a bit as a character, in order for him to grow he would also need to move on from Willow. New Moon Rising shows that Willow stalls him as a character. Oz would have done great on Angel, it's a shame there was no s6. But honestly, I would not have been intersted in seeing 6 seasons of Woz. They were great as highschool sweethearts, but that stops there for me. And I have no interest in seeing a love triangle between Oz, Tara and Willow.

The problem is that both Cordy and Oz played a bit of the gf/bf role. Those characters tend to grow stale if they remain in that role. I think that's partially why many don't like the Spike focus in s7. When a character is meant to be a gf/bf material, their storyline can become redundant. That means they need to bring the character out of that gf/bf role, as they did with Angel on his own show, but that would be a tricky thing to do with Cordy and Oz. Might have worked with Cordy because out of the highschool years while she was hanging out with the gang, most of the time she was actually not dating Xander. But Oz would always be "Willow's bf", there's no way around that one.

Anya and Tara worked well because both were on the show for only a few seasons, and by then I'm sure many will even agree that Anya was passed her prime in s7. To me, BtVS will always be about Buffy/Xander/Willow/Giles, that's the four we started with as a core group. Adding anyone else just feels like adding an outsider to the group. Meaning they can never truly be part of that core 4, which limits what they can do with the character. That is even worst when we're adding a new character solemnly as a bf/gf. I don't know if that makes sense, but to my Cordy fitted better on Angel because she's part of the core on that show. She wasn't made to be a secondary/gf character, but to be part of the main focus. Even though she was on Buffy from s1, she wasn't part of the core. AtS works as a assemble cast because there is mostly no romantic relationships between the parties. Buffy was always B/X/W/G + the significant others. That means there is a necessity to recycle the bf and gf to make sure that B/X/W/G keep evolving themselves.

I'm not sure if that rant even makes sense, but I'm trying to say, I don't think there was a place for Cordy and Oz in Sunnydale past s4. But I think there was room for both characters on AtS. It would have been a different story if the characters would have been introduced as something else than just a sidekick/SO (like Dawn or Faith, who were introduced as important parts of the story), but they way Cordy and Oz became part of the group is somewhat limiting.
 
As much as I love Cordy on Buffy, I think it works best for her character to move on to Angel. Oz was suppose to be in the whole of s4. I think they could have kept Oz on, done the whole Veruca thing, have Willow still meet Tara and develop feelings and Oz could have still left in New Moon Rising. I just love Oz and would've wanted more. But I agree that he couldn't have stayed on after s4, and even though I'm not a big Tara fan, I do like that Willow moves on. I do think they could have and should have brought Oz back though in s7 and AtS s5. If Cordy had stayed I don't think we would have seen as much of Anya or her at all. I do think they would have kept chipped Spike on as the Angel substitute. I wouldn't want to see gay Xander but I'm also not a fan of him and Anya either. So Idk who they would have given him a love interest, maybe he could have just been single for a while. Or had not Faith gone crazy and to jail, maybe another fling there. But I agree with Blaze, overall I really just care about and want to see the core four.
 
Now that I think about it I feel like I've read/seen/heard somewhere that the original plan for Willow and Oz (before Seth wanted to leave) was to have the Veruca/heartbreak storyline span pretty much the entire season. It was just sped up to let Seth fly, fly away!
 
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