What if....

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What if Jasmine happened to your world?

Imagine how this beautiful and heavenly creature just came into your life and brought with her absolute peace and love. Would you do as the Fang Gang and destroy her because you had lost your choice or would you want to keep living in her world where you did anything and everything she told you to?

This isn't about dictators or totalitarian rulers in general, this is about Jasmine or your version of Jasmine. Your imagined version of a perfect woman or man. Would you let her/him be your master?

Otherwise the rules were just like with Jasmine, a few eaten every day, but no where near as many as usually die.

It's your choice, or is it?
 
This is such a hard question for me. Because, obviously it's terrible to live in a world where you can't change anything, and where you've got this one person deciding everything. But still, she'd make the world a happier place, she'd bring peace and love and all that stuff to us, and maybe it'd all be better..? I mean, obviously it'd all be better, 'cause we'd all be happy. And really, if we're all happy and alive (well, except for very few of us who'd be eaten of course), does it really matter if we can't change stuff? The reason to change things, is to make it better, but now we're all happy so it's all good. Seriously, if you're really and truly happy, does it matter if it's fake happiness (when you'll never know it is) ?

Well, morally and logically and stuff, I'd totally kill (not kill, but something else) Jasmine. Since it's just not right, it's totally wrong of course, to do what she does... But being the total coward I am, I'd probably live in her fake-perfect-world. (If all the love and happiness didn't just drive me completely mad, since happiness makes me extremely suspicious...)


(But, if it was the Jasmine, I'd so kill her, just 'cause she's so incredibly annoying..)
 
Well, I'm probably a bit of a coward and a hedonist. I'm sure I'd be tempted by Jasmine. The thing is, the people affected by Jasmine don't seem to be truly aware of their situation. It's almost like they're not fully conscious, sentient.

I think my fear of losing control, full consciousness would outweigh my desire for "happiness". Probably also why my brain is so repelled by the implications of atheism"”the mind ceasing to exist. Some people think free will is actually an illusion anyway. If so, that's the illusion I prefer.

At the same time, that's also something I fail to fully comprehend in religious conceptual thinking. Is there free will in Heaven? No suffering, perpetual joy. No more desire to rebel against God, do your own thing? You somehow retain your free will. And through God's grace, you rid yourself of your weak human nature...

Does "happiness" mean anything when there's no suffering to compare it to?





"There is often a complex and dynamic relationship between happiness and suffering. There is a Chinese saying: "the extreme form of happiness produces sorrow." Just as happiness may lead to suffering, so does suffering lead to happiness."

"There are different approaches to happiness. The Western approach focuses on positive feelings, positive actions, and positive lives. It seeks to maximize pleasure and minimize pain. Suffering is considered a foreign, hostile intrusion into our happy existence. However, when suffering can no longer be avoided, then one tries to trump suffering through positive psychology. The Western approach works best in a culture of progress, affluence and hope.

The Eastern approach focuses on wisdom, patience, detachment and serenity. It seeks to develop and master our inner lives so that we can transcend suffering. The transformation of suffering is achieved through wisdom and enlightenment. The Eastern approach works best in a culture of suffering and endurance.

The existential approach focuses on responsibility, choice and actions in the midst of chaos, absurdity and sufferings. It seeks to overcome suffering and absurdity through an courageous act of acceptance. For example, happiness is pushing a heavy rock uphill over and over again, in spite of the absurdity and futility of this exercise. This approach works best in a culture of meaninglessness and despair.

The Christian approach focuses on finding happiness and life through embracing suffering and death, as exemplified by Christ on the cross, and taught by Christ in his Sermon on the Mount. Happiness is not the absence of suffering, but the surrendering of suffering to God as an offering. This approach works best in a culture of faith and love."

http://www.meaning.ca/articles/presidents_column/happiness_aug03.htm
 
Even though we would have achieved world peace, I still would have done the same thing as the fang gang and destroyed her. I mean, think about what life would be like if she came into our world. We would be nothing but puppets on strings. At the end of the day, how will we learn to live in peace if somebody forces us to? It would be better if we achieved it ourselves. :nod:
 
I think my fear of losing control, full consciousness would outweigh my desire for "happiness". Probably also why my brain is so repelled by the implications of atheism"”the mind ceasing to exist. Some people think free will is actually an illusion anyway. If so, that's the illusion I prefer.

I heartily agree with you, on this one.
 
goldenboy said:
Does "happiness" mean anything when there's no suffering to compare it to?

Yup that's my thoughts also...

If Jasmine happened to our world, she'd be dead, no doubt about it. Logically IMO, the world needs balance - the world cannot just exist on a one sided plane - it has to exist with the good and the bad and having a world where everything is all good and happy and sunshine and all that would just not be right at all. I'm not saying I like the world to be bad, i'm saying it needs balance.
 
this is such a tough question JA. yes, i would like a world of peace, no fighting or dying or murder or any of that crap. but i don't want to live in a world where i have no free will.
free will is what makes us human, without that we are simply mindless zombies walking around living by someone else's rules.
so my answer is no. if the consiquence is living in a world where we are controlled by outside forces and have no free will of our own, to think for ourselves, then the price is too high.
i would have done exactly what the fang gang did and kill jasmin.
 
Lyri said:
this is such a tough question JA. yes, i would like a world of peace, no fighting or dying or murder or any of that crap. but i don't want to live in a world where i have no free will.
free will is what makes us human, without that we are simply mindless zombies walking around living by someone else's rules.
so my answer is no. if the consiquence is living in a world where we are controlled by outside forces and have no free will of our own, to think for ourselves, then the price is too high.
i would have done exactly what the fang gang did and kill jasmin.



Exactly. It is like Angel said to her "The price was too high, our fate has to be our own or were nothing".
 
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