What if?

Tranquillity

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I came across this discussion on another website (link here) and found it pretty interesting. Basically, it was arguing that in season four there is, early on quite a bit of foreshadowing for a xander/buffy romance. It suggests that when the show was originally envisioned and overall story arc was planned but, along the way it got hijacked by various events such as Angel getting his own show, Spike not being killed in season two, and the lack of chemistry between SMG and NB. The writer of this post puts forward a suggested frame of how the story would have worked without the need for adaptation. This is this person's suggested outline:

1. Angel does not leave Buffy at the end of s3. Instead, and permanently, he loses his soul. The soul is (they think) DESTROYED. No way of regaining Angel. He returns to his Angelus persona, and becomes Buffy's nemesis.

2. It's Angelus who's chipped in s4. Not Spike. Because Angelus was once Angel, the Scoobies decline to stake him once he's toothless. He drifts, gnashing his teeth, into the Scooby orbit. Buffy can't stand to be in the same room with him. The other Scoobies ostracise him. Other demons beat him up. The Scourge of Europe falls humiliated into the gutter. Reduced to a joke, and how he would have burned for revenge.

3. In s5, Angelus slowly falls in love with Buffy (as Angel did before him) and begins to move toward redemption.

4. In s6, what happened between Buffy and Spike would have taken place between Buffy and Angelus - an Angelus with (Buffy thinks, the Scoobies think, Giles thinks) no means of ever becoming Angel again. Then Buffy's self-disgust, her punishment of her lover, her fear of discovery, would have been overwhelmingly obvious to viewers, because Angelus is evil on a grand scale Spike never came close to (or, they never showed us). So too would the disgust of the Scoobies (and especially Xander) follow logically from past events.
So ... Xander spurns Anya at the altar because of his finally admitted love for Buffy, Anya attacks seeking vengeance, Anya dies. Anya's story is then properly (if tragically) complete. Xander saves Willow, proving himself a hero; then returns to Buffy's orbit, loving her, probably convinced he could never have her but unwilling to settle for less.

5. And at the end of s6, it would have been Angelus who sought and won his permanent soul. The curse would have been broken.

6. The First Evil's pursuit of the souled vamp in s7 would then have been a true continuation of the Christmas episode in s3; it went after Angel then, and it would be coming back for Angel again as the End of Days approached.

7. Finally, Angel/Angelus would have redeemed himself and won shanshu in the last episode, dying and setting Buffy free to live out her life with Xander.



While I personally don't want a Buffyverse with limited Spike, I still think there is some narrative merit to these ideas"¦ Agree? Disagree?
 
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alexa
oo cool
Take out the crap leading to a Buffy/Xander romance and you have almost the exact story of what actually happened just name changes.

Obviously I have not seen this version so I cannot compare but i'm perfectly content, happy even overjoyed with the version i've seen.
 
Well, it certainly has the quality of being different in a strangely similar way...It might make a good plot line for a parallel universe arc for Season 8 Buffy. It would at least be a valid way of bringing the Great Brooder into the Buffy comic without interfering with Angel's own new season. My only question would be, "Does that mean Spike gets to be the CEO of Wolfram and Hart?"
 
Sounds really interesting. Don't really know how Angelus would have handled things with a chip.. I suppose he was obsessed with Buffy also, as seen in Passion. But I really enjoy the Spike story and Angel going off to his own show (minus the Cordy relationship, her death and Wesley dying part 😛). It's not really my Bangel fantasy though because Angel dies. Plus Willow's spiral into magicks began with ensouling Angel, so not sure how that would have been developed. Also we would have been robbed of my favourite Joss directed scene (I think, there are so many!) with the sword fight and kiss goodbye.

I also wanted to add after reading more of the link posted by Tranquillity.

The writer is bothered by the Parker storyline, because to them, he served no purpose. But I have to say, Buffy's stint of being the rejectee really meant something to me at that time of my life personally, because boys not calling girls was something I didn't know happened either until being at university.. and it really messed with my self esteem back in the day, like with Buffy. But story wise I think Esepenson mentions that Parker was also largely there for a tool to show another way Buffy dealt with the departure of Angel. Hmm, I feel very much on a tangent, but anyway 😉
 
sounds like the show and its name would have been changed from Buffy the Vampire Slayer to Buffy the Vampire Slayer featuring Angel The Vampire with a Gypsy Curse. If that were the case im glad that Angel got his own show. He is a character that deserved to grow and fight his own demons(both physically and metiphorically). I think the same thing for Faith as well she deserved her own show.
 
I'm with BOTD, take out the Xander/Buffy crap. I just couldn't fly with it. But that person had new fresh ideas. That's good I guess. 🙂
 
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Edmund Blackadder
people agreeing with me is great - i love the attention
Don't know about any of this, but apparently SMG and Nick Brendon both wanted Buffy and Xander to get together in season 7, but Joss didn't.

Personally, I would have liked to have seen that.
 
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