Whedons greatest characters?

Who was Whedons greateast character?


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This could be hard but which of the characters created by Joss do you think was the greatest?

This isn't nessicarly who is your favorite but which character you though was developed out the best.

If you can't leave it at just 1 list the top 3, I've listed a majority of the main characters from each of the series to look over below!

For me it's between River, Mal, Topher and Willow.

I love River and the whole story that goes with her. Mal was such an amazing character I love how he can seem to not care and then do something like lock Jayne outside the ship for turning in Simon and River.
Topher was incredible he made such leaps as a character it was cool to watch, same with Willow, she make such huge changes from when we first saw her.

I think my top 3 would be
1)River
2)Willow
3)Topher

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Add a poll instead, and you can select more then 1!
 
I voted for Spike, Angel, Wesley, and Buffy. For me, those characters are his magnum opus's (sp?). I would also include Topher, Captain Mal, and River, and Echo as runner's up.

The first four have come completely full-circle since we were introduced to their characters. They changed so much.

Both Spike and Wes played variations of their character on both shows. Spike went from a evil villain to a selfless Champion. Wes went from a bumbling snooty caricature of a British intellectual to a rugged, courageous, loyal warrior.

Angel is just a masterpiece of a character- need I say more?

As for Buffy - well - she's just extraordinary. She went from a naive, idealistic valley girl to an empowered, fearless BIG DAMN HERO with Superpowers. She's an icon of popular culture. A manifestation of an ideal. She's Buffy.

As for Topher, he started out as a cocky, selfish bastard seemingly without any kind of moral qualms, who, in the end, chose to sacrifice himself for the greater good of the human race.

Captain Mal, for me, physically manifests in a almost-perfect fashion the awesome beauty and effective power of the morally ambiguous character.

River had so much going on... I think she had the potential to be one of his greatest characters, if he could have expanded on her more. If only Firefly hadn't been canceled... *sigh*

Echo..oh, Echo.

This character started out totally boring, and ended up completely fascinating. She had the strength to completely create a personality for herself out of sheer will, and against all odds. A miracle, really.

It's merely coincidental that these are also my favorite characters. 😉
 
I voted for loads. 😀 Faith, The Mayor, Angel, Wesley, Darla, Mal, Jayne, Simon, River, Saffron🙂blush🙂, Topher, Adelle and Claire.
 
LOL yup hard choice, i voted for loads too.

Buffy,Angel,Spike,Wesley,Cordy,Giles,River, Mal and Topher. 🙂
 
I picked Buffy and Angel. Like I said in the other thread that we had for this, there are no other characters that have had more impact on the world of Whedon and pop culture in general. Buffy is an icon, we can't say that about any of his other characters and have it be true. Buffy and Angel are the two most fascinating characters I have ever crossed paths with in fiction.
 
Joan the Vampire Slayer
Joan the Vampire Slayer
Agreed. Although, Spike's popularity continues to fascinate and surprise me.
For me, the greatest character in Whedon's universe would have to be Faith. Like the old Avis Car Rental Agency, Faith is only Number 2, so she has to try harder, and what impresses me the most about her is that she DOES try harder. She never quits. (Okay, she got a bit off track there with Mayor Wilkins for a few months, but she got back on track) From her peers, she gets less praise, less recognition, and a smaller portion of the glory than anyone else on the show. She is always trying, wanting, to be accepted, to be a part of the gang, and she never really can be, simply because Buffy got there first. Caleb summed it up perfectly when ha said, "Oh, you must be the OTHER ONE." From Season 3, with her introduction, through Season 7, that's how everyone saw her. As of Season 8, from what we've seen so far, it doesn't look like she has even that status anymore.

Did anyone besides me notice how Faith was always having to borrow Buffy's stake? The writers wouldn't even let the girl have her own stake? She did get a great knife, but Buffy even took that away from her. If Buffy was the Chosen One, then Faith was the Overlooked One.
 
Kana
Kana
You've definitely underpinned part of why I love Faith
MinwaraYana
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Cool post! Overlooked One. :D
I'm so glad to see Angels leading. Obviously it HAD to be a Buffy or Angel character. HAD to be. I voted Angel.

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I really dont get the people that actually try to claim River is up there. River is such an underdeveloped character she's kinda lame tbh. Tryin to compare her to all the Buffyverse characters is a joke.
 
Joan the Vampire Slayer
Joan the Vampire Slayer
I said River had the POTENTIAL - she wasn't there yet, I agree.
Concur. I think River had the possibility to be excellent but like so many things about Firefly... 13 episodes and a movie just was not enough time.
 
Buffy. Strong, beautiful, smart girl, probably the most important girl in the world, but few one sees her like that. Her boyfriend loved her because of her heart, nut because of her looks. She had a hard life, but she had a few friends who stayed by her side not matter what. Love her <3
 
Ok so I only voted for Buffyverse characters (which includes Ats it's all the same verse in my eyes)

Now first of all to a degree it makes sense that the characters that you think are the greatest are most likely to correlate with the characters you love. It's unlikely that you're going to say, I love that character but they were poorly developed. It would make me think that the reason you like them is pretty superficial (yes ladies we all like Spike's abs lol)

However it's still an interesting thread because although my favourites are Angel, Faith and Wes, I also gave honorable mentions to Spike and Buffy.

Ok starting with Faith and Wes, well I pretty much stated it all here. As for others?

Buffy

No she's not my favourite character but we have to look at how the show has impacted so many of us and I don't believe you get that far with a show with a crummy lead. A successful lead draw us in, be engaging, and identifiable. Buffy takes us on a journey, leading us to grow with her feel for her and even at times be angry at her. What I loved about say Season 6 for example is that I was able to empathise with her, plead with her to get her sense of self back. The malaise was played well and actually cared about what she was feeling.

Few female characters have been able to be so influential without being a prosaic paradigm for feminism but where others fail, Buffy succeeds. She inspires us but she's also wonderfully flawed. Her mistakes are understandable even if we cannot agree with the some of the decisions made.

Spike

Again, not one of my favourite characters but we cannot ignore what an impact Spike has had on the Verse. If nothing else, on the forums he’s a ‘headline grabber’. He was the first of Buffy’s enemies that we can actually cheer on and is it any wonder why? Although he was evil in the beginning, he could see he was hopelessly in love and when he was heartbroken, hell, we could feel sorry for him.

Now the fun really started when he fell in love with Buffy. Many fans were divided over his intentions. We heard everything from: “He was actually treading the muddy waters to redemption”, to: “Everything he did was a selfish attempt the impress Buffy.”

And of course actually getting a soul in the first place?????? I mean come!!!! That almost turned the whole mythology about vampires on it’s head. Some celebrated his apparent deviation from the rule, others considered it a slight against the consistency of the show. Whatever your opinion, judging from the forum threads, you guys haven’t kept your opinions to yourself.

And isn’t this a character we would want to celebrate? Someone who can spark so much interest? This is why I’m voting for Spike. As long as there is interest in the show, there will be interest in Blondie Bear.

Angel

Now this is my man!!!!!

In a lot of ways I don’t know where to start. I suppose I could start here.

Interestingly me liking Angel breaks most of my rules, as I rarely tend to identify with the lead but he’s a tragic hero so lonely and treads the line between salvation and damnation. From being a visual treat for Buffy and many viewers, to being a convincing lead in his own show. What I loved about the show and the character is that they went beyond the simple notion of redemption nor did the stick with the recovering alcoholic metaphor. We understand that Angel’s fragmented persona goes beyond good and evil, it speaks of a vain attempt to attain purity, finding him vacillating vigorously between idealism and cynicism. Many call on his questionable choices but I see a visionary who tries hard to see his concept beautiful world realised. People talk of what other characters achieved: Dying to save the world, getting a soul, having a rapid personality change, but when I see Angel, I see someone who goes beyond the clichés of being a hero. I see a man who hasn’t achieved the destination, someone who’s beginning to realise the journey is all.

My voting for Angel is because he’s the reason I fell in love with Ats, in the similar way that Buffy is the primary reason I loved Buffy. Without Angel there is no Ats. We don’t have the contradiction in terms, the subtle humour and wonderfully under the radar subversion of the classic heroic archetype.
 
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Who the heckin hell is Topher? He sounds so crap. Why he have more votes than someone like Giles?

He's from Dollhouse and is actually a wonderful character.

Vain, conceited, selfish, egotistical, funny, nerdy, lonely, lost, genius, broken, foolish, naive, resilient and brave.

He is all of the above and probably a whole lot more too.
 
If we're going by character development alone, I think I would have to vote Wesley, Angel and Cordelia on Ats. Angel was a little one dimensional on Buffy and Cordelia and Wesley were extremely weak and many would argue annoying, (though I love early Cordy) yet somehow Joss and the other writers took those characters and gave them some of the best, most extensive character development in the history of fiction. All three characters end up so extremely different than they were when they were first introduced and yet they are completely believable and sympathetic.
 
I picked Angel, Wesley, Cordelia, Topher and Holtz.

(may edit this post to add more detail later)

Hmm...Apparently can't edit my post anymore.

I think the only ones I might need to explain are Topher and Holtz.

I picked Topher just because of the potential his character had... Dollhouse was so short-lived but we got to the ending and it was rushed. I would have loved to have seen Topher over a few seasons. Oh well.

Holtz I picked because I thought he was one of Joss' better villains. Also because of the effect he had on everything that happened. I think I loved him so much because of how personal it was, as opposed to Wolfram and Hart or Jasmine...
 
Holtz I picked because I thought he was one of Joss' better villains. Also because of the effect he had on everything that happened. I think I loved him so much because of how personal it was, as opposed to Wolfram and Hart or Jasmine...

I agree about Holtz being an effective villain. So was Warren. Both were human, which was interesting. Holtz, though, in my opinion wasn't evil. He was just racked with the need to get revenge. He was devastated and a great example of the negative effect that vengeance has on a person. It destroys them. In the end, I don't think he was proud of what he did.
 
I agree about Holtz being an effective villain. So was Warren. Both were human, which was interesting. Holtz, though, in my opinion wasn't evil. He was just racked with the need to get revenge. He was devastated and a great example of the negative effect that vengeance has on a person. It destroys them. In the end, I don't think he was proud of what he did.

I didn't think he was evil either. Another thing that I liked was how even though you root for Angel, you can understand why Holtz wants him to pay. Even Angel understood. 😛

I agree that he probably wasn't proud after all was said and done.
 
I voted for Spike - would have voted for more if i'd taken the time to look and see that multiple votes were allowed... But anyhoo - I voted for Spike because I have always found his character facinating, interesting and challenging. I think he is an icon of the show and really really well known in popular culture - all the girls at the school I work at know the big three - Buffy, Spike and Angel - even if they don't know much about the actual show. I think that Spike has made the transition into the world of comics really well too - he has that distinctive look and character that makes him perfect for a comic book hero.
 
Okay I tried to be really unbiased and not just pick my favourites and instead really evaluate what I considered to be the best of Joss' work (turned out one ended up being a favourite as well, but what are you gonna do?). I picked

1. Spike
Spike isn't one of my favourite characters. I mean I like the guy but I was never crazed about him or love every episode he stars in (Though I did love him so much more in Season 5 of Angel), but I really feel he was an amazing character and so multi-layered to the point it's hard to believe he is completely and utterly fictional. But when you look from William in the 1800s to Spike in School Hard to the self-sacrifice in Chosen and all the different things he went through to get there it's like WHOA. You can have a full on discussion/debate about Spike irrelevant of whether you like him or not- he has so many personal conflicts and a constant white knight persona that shines through and made us forget rather often that he was a demon at the core. I could go on a lot more but I've gotta stop somewhere.

2. Adelle DeWitt
I'll admit she is my favourite character in Dollhouse (Alongside Topher of course. Love that guy) but it seems I also think she's one of Whedon's greatest. Like Spike she's a character of many layers- it's hard to ever fully categorize Adelle until the very end of the series. She constantly walks a fine line between what is essentially good and evil and how her character deals with her choices, decisions and life and how that slowly changes her etc is just really....cool to see. First impression is definitely cool bitch, but then there's also the fact she's uber-intelligent but uber-naive at times, selfish (when she's willing to sacrifice Echo to Alpha to save her own life) yet utterly selfless (when she wants to set the bomb off instead or along with Topher in the finale)...and she wears killer outfits.

So yeah, those are my choices. But kudos must also go to James Marsters and Olivia Williams for their great acting and potrayal as well.
 
Joan the Vampire Slayer
Joan the Vampire Slayer
Nice words about Spike. I agree.
My list would go something like...

1. Wesley
2. Darla
3. Cordy
4. Lilah

With Wes, Joss just kept on giving. He had arguably the largest transformation, but the whole thing was believable and true to character. IMO he's the most detailed, complex character out there, and has an infinite amount of sides to him just waiting to be uncovered.

Darla was also extremely well- constructed. Every appearance she made with oddly different from the others, while still being "Darla". Darla is definitely one of the most original characters out there, and simply fantastic character- wise. 😀

Cordy was also brilliant. Starting off as the stereotypical teenage girl, she had everything: Stunning beauty, money, popularity, skill, and friends. Over time she lost her friends, popularity, and money, but gained so much more than that. Joss took a typical girl and made her into a beautiful goddess, literally. 🙂

Lilah was awesome. Evil, biotchy, strong, and lovable. She didn't really change that much, but she had so much potential and was so confident and flamboyant. I respect a woman that respects herself. 😀
 
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Cordy had skill? Really?
Joan the Vampire Slayer
Joan the Vampire Slayer
Nice list, although I'd include Buffy, Angel and Spike, too ;)
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