When Buffy let Angel drink her blood...

InsaneMystic said:
The whole thing - including planning murder to feed a Slayer to a vampire - just shows again how much Bangel brings out the worst in both parties involved.

Mhm. No I don't think so. Neither Buffy nor Angel can do something for Faiths behavior. It was Faiths fault. Bangel doesn't bring out the worst out of Buffy or Angel, it just bring them into "innormal" and "dangerous" situations. But then they try to help each other, try to get out of troubles. Together. They learned to trust in each other and reliability. They learned in a deep way they could only learn because of these difficult situations they had to go through. They are special. Bangel is special. I say that, even if I am a big Spuffy fan. 😀. Bangel bring out the worst, maybe but it brings out the best just as it brings outthe worst of them. Buffy let Angel drink her blood. She was willing to sacrifice her life to save his one. What could be more heroic? And if that's not a best side a person can show...I don't know what could be more bravely.
 
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brinkster130
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I think that what you're referring to is Riley's dalliance with the vampire ho and the scene with Faith and Wes in the vamp brothel, but correct me if I'm wrong. In both cases, the client was bitten on the arm or wrist, never the throat. The only other time that Buffy was bitten at that point was by the Master, and there wasn't anything sexual about it. Afterward, she was bitten, again in the throat, by Dracula, and, while his intention MIGHT have verged upon seduction, Buffy's reaction was only pain.

Traditionally, throughout fiction, and including Whedon's version of vampires feeding, the "sexual" bite is a far different thing from what the vampire does when actually feeding. Angel was feeding. Seduction never entered into it. Rape, possibly, but there was nothing gentle or loving about it. If Buffy couldn't recognize the difference, she is one sick little girl.

So I got very defensive at first, and wrote the post below, but then I re-read your post and realized you might not have meant Buffy was sick for being turned on, just that if she didn't get that it wasn't a loving moment, she was sick. So I wrote a angry, but not rude, post. I also think it had something to add to the discussion, so if anyone wants to read, it's below:

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That was even harsher. First off, Buffy was not sick, she was human. She didn't choose to get turned on and come. This is the same kind of loqic that scares boys and men who are molested to go to the police, because they think that since they're sometimes aroused by the molesters touches(depends on what kind of rape it is) it's consensual, or simply not something they can talk about. It seems to be the same kind of thing going on with Buffy; a special kind of feeding turns some, not all, people on(I doubt it matters if it's in the throat or arm or wrist). It depends on how their body reacts. It's not a choice, even though I imagine that some people can somewhat repress their bodies unwanting feelings, like some people can ignore pain.

I think I would also say, that Buffy's case is a bit different from Riley and the others (let's recall Giles said something about how many people found it pleasureable). Say that for most people, the pain takes over when bitten, specially if the vampire is brutal. Kind of like the difference between hitting and stroking someones flesh. But Buffy was a slayer, so her pain threeshold is higher. Her body can take a beating like ordinary humans can't. So a bite wouldn't physically hurt her as much. So the body mainly felt the pleasure. Then let's add the fact that she loved and trusted Angel, making her body even more responsive. If it had been Angelus, her feelings of helplessness and disgust with him might(again, this is also about how our bodies, not our minds, react) have somewhat lessened the pleasure. But it was Angel. Maybe she mainly reacted that way because she loved him and found him attractive, so her body was already used to think Angel=good feelings.

I do get what you're saying about it not intentionally being a sexual bite. It was a feeding bite. But that doesn't mean that Buffy's body had to react that way.

Now when calming down, I also see that maybe you didn't mean that she's sick because she was turned on, just that she was sick if she didn't see the difference between a "good" bite and a "bad" bite. In that case, I was a bit more defensive than I needed to be, since I might agree with you, depending on your exact meaning(I think Buffy got that Angel wasn't being sweet, just hungry). But I'll keep the post as it is, since I think I'm making a fair point. I'm going to add a note to the top though, to clarify.

Also, about examples of people liking to get feed on; Riley, the people Giles mentioned(he seemed to think it was common, unless I'm misstaken), the brothel in season 5 of Buffy and season 4 of Angel, Spike when he was turned (before the pain kicked in) and many occasions in season 8 and 9.
 
white avenger
white avenger
I'm in no way trying to attack you or your interpretatino of the scene in question. I'm just saying that I saw far more fear than arousal in Buffy's eyes as that scene progressed. She suddenly realized that she might die
So I got very defensive at first, and wrote the post below, but then I re-read your post and realized you might not have meant Buffy was sick for being turned on, just that if she didn't get that it wasn't a loving moment, she was sick. So I wrote a angry, but not rude, post. I also think it had something to add to the discussion, so if anyone wants to read, it's below:

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That was even harsher. First off, Buffy was not sick, she was human. She didn't choose to get turned on and come. This is the same kind of loqic that scares boys and men who are molested to go to the police, because they think that since they're sometimes aroused by the molesters touches(depends on what kind of rape it is) it's consensual, or simply not something they can talk about. It seems to be the same kind of thing going on with Buffy; a special kind of feeding turns some, not all, people on(I doubt it matters if it's in the throat or arm or wrist). It depends on how their body reacts. It's not a choice, even though I imagine that some people can somewhat repress their bodies unwanting feelings, like some people can ignore pain.

I think I would also say, that Buffy's case is a bit different from Riley and the others (let's recall Giles said something about how many people found it pleasureable). Say that for most people, the pain takes over when bitten, specially if the vampire is brutal. Kind of like the difference between hitting and stroking someones flesh. But Buffy was a slayer, so her pain threeshold is higher. Her body can take a beating like ordinary humans can't. So a bite wouldn't physically hurt her as much. So the body mainly felt the pleasure. Then let's add the fact that she loved and trusted Angel, making her body even more responsive. If it had been Angelus, her feelings of helplessness and disgust with him might(again, this is also about how our bodies, not our minds, react) have somewhat lessened the pleasure. But it was Angel. Maybe she mainly reacted that way because she loved him and found him attractive, so her body was already used to think Angel=good feelings.

I do get what you're saying about it not intentionally being a sexual bite. It was a feeding bite. But that doesn't mean that Buffy's body had to react that way.

Now when calming down, I also see that maybe you didn't mean that she's sick because she was turned on, just that she was sick if she didn't see the difference between a "good" bite and a "bad" bite. In that case, I was a bit more defensive than I needed to be, since I might agree with you, depending on your exact meaning(I think Buffy got that Angel wasn't being sweet, just hungry). But I'll keep the post as it is, since I think I'm making a fair point. I'm going to add a note to the top though, to clarify.

Also, about examples of people liking to get feed on; Riley, the people Giles mentioned(he seemed to think it was common, unless I'm misstaken), the brothel in season 5 of Buffy and season 4 of Angel, Spike when he was turned (before the pain kicked in) and many occasions in season 8 and 9.

It was never my intention to attack either you or your interpretation of this scene. I was just trying to say that I saw nothing either sexual or sensual about what Angel was doing to Buffy, and the expression on her face looked much more like fear than arousal. I saw a young girl who, for the first time, came to the realization that her attempt to save the man who she loved might very well have, in the process, released the monster who was about to kill her. I can't see that scene any other way.

And, from the following scene, I have little doubt that she did, in fact, come far closer to dying that she ever imagined that she would have.
 
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Skytteflickan88
I agree on that she was going to die and that she, after the chock/orgasm wore off, was afraid and realized he might not stop.
Question: "˜Can vampires drink blood from a dead body.'

Reason I ask, as Buffy was going to confront Faith and kill her. True, she was stabbed and fell of the building to a moving truck. Since she could not follow Faith, she gave her blood to Angel "“ not the blood of Faith.
 
I couldn't help but wonder why Buffy didn't just cut herself, let some of her blood run to a glass and feed that to Angel. The show didn't tell how much Slayer's blood Angel needed to get better. A drop of it? Some of it? All of it? (Obviously not.) But I guess she panicked and didn't think about what she was doing. I just thought that Buffy's first reaction, 'I'll kill Faith and bring her to Angel' was more or less out of character when she could have just donated some of her blood in the first place, without the guilt of a(n attempted) murder. (Even after everything Faith had done. Actually, now it seems like she wanted to make Faith pay and Angel was just a convenient excuse.)

Even after stabbing Faith, I was sure she would have tried if the blood on the dagger was enough to Angel before letting him bite her. I was seriously surprised when she just left the dagger to Faith's place (she did, right?) and run to sacrifice herself.

... but, well, yeah, I guess I wouldn't be able to think clearly if my boyfriend (who also happens to be my first love) was dying. I would do the same, probably, even if it was stupid.
 
I personally think that Buffy trusted Angel enough to stop, maybe that was foolish but in the end she was right to trust him. He didnt kill her.

For those of you mentioning that Buffy in season 3 and Buffy in season 7 are different and she wouldnt make the same mistake again, I'll put this question to you: Spike is dying, its before the big battle and the end of the world. She can feed him and save him or she can let him die. Which does she do? And baring this in mind she has an army of potental slayers who are going to turn into real slayers......
 
Here was my interpretation of why she did it. Granted this is coming from a very new fan, and also from a very strong BAngel supporter.

In an earlier episode (not sure which), Buffy said something to the effect of, "You died once, and it almost killed me. I could not bear it if you died again." (Okay, yes, that was actually a direct quote from The Princess Bride, but Buffy DID say something similar. I just don't remember exactly what.) So when Buffy saw Angel dying again, she couldn't stand the thought of having to watch the man she loved die twice. She knew what it felt like when she lost him before, and she couldn't stand to go through that again, so she had to do whatever she could to save him, regardless of what it meant. She knew that even if he was healed, he was going to leave town. He'd told her so in "The Prom." But she needed him to be alive, no matter whether or not she could be with him.

Also, I personally feel that Buffy would have been useless in stopping the Ascension if she was either worrying about or grieving the loss of Angel. She would have been too distracted to do her job effectively.
 
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