When The Director Doesn't Like The Character

Deadpool sucks 😀
Deadpool is supposed to suck as he is meant to reflect the suckness of Deathstroke. It's the fact that Deadpool makes the suck cool whereas Deathstroke is just yawn.
 
OH!! Have you read Charlie Huston's Moon Knight, Buff?
 
I think that one day the Nolan movie will look much more dated than the Burton one. Why? Because Nolan was trying to be realistic/gritty and link the Batman story to contemporary themes wheras the Burton movie isn't going a for a specific period- its gothic and stylised, more like an actual comic book. And that always dates less in the long run.

You can like one more than the other- the way in which the story is told- I understand that and I do enjoy the Nolan movies on their own merits- but saying one is better just because it looks less dated- we'll just wait and see.

Also I like that in the Burton movie it spends very little time of the actual origin story, and when it does that links into the ongoing plot.
I was so tired of yet another 'My parents are dead!!' bit in the DoJ movie. Anyone who doesn't know the origin of Batman and Supes probably shouldn't go and see the movies. Just sayin'.

Good point, time will tell I guess.

No I'm not saying Nolan is better because of the look (in fact I have a fondness for the second Burton Batman's look and atmosphere), more because there was more emotional depth to the characters, modern themes, and I liked the esemble casting and character driven nature of them.
 
Deathstroke is one of my favorite comic book characters, right along there with The Punisher. Deathstroke was done fantastically on Arrow, and The Punisher fantastically on Daredevil. I don't have a problem with small changes as long as they are true to the character. Making Bruce Wayne know the identity of his parents' killer negates what it means to be Batman.

What I like about the change in Bruce Wayne is the Nolan film is that they made him less likeable and played on his playboy life style, which given the modern context seemed to be a logical way to go.

As for Deadpool? I can only comment on the film, and that sucked big time😉
 
Yeah I have, some. Moon Knight was never my favorite character, but I don't hate it either. I generally read a lot more DC than Marvel though.
Was just wondering how Huston's run compares to others and what people thought of it. I love his novels but I don't hear anyone mention him when they talk about pivotal MK runs.
 
Have you seen BvS yet Buff? When you do I would love to hear your take on Ezra Miller's Flash. I am actually really excited about that. I dug where they went with it.
 
I think there is a problem with a film trying to appeal too much to its source material. They are too very different mediums afterall

The man never even read a Batman comic.

But the comic book form is very different to that of a film.

This is something that I've noticed when classic literary characters are "adapted" to other media. Someone on another forum asked the question, "John Carter vs Conan: Who would win?" You have three different versions of each character, the ones that Howard and Burroughs created, the ones that were depicted in the comic books, and the ones that we saw in the movies. Compare Schwarzenegger with Kitsch, and there is no doubt, Arnold would walk all over Taylor looking for a fair fight. Compare comic book Conan with comic book Carter, and the scales are more equal. Compare Burroughs' Warlord, the greatest swordsman who ever lived, with Howard's brute with a cleaver, and Conan is toast.

The movie characters simply aren't what the REAL characters, the ones who the old fans grew up with and loved, were, and we don't recognize them as "our" heroes. This Superman is a jerk, this Batman is a psychopath, and neither one bears more than the slightest resemblance to what their creators originally envisioned, and even that isn't what they evolved into over decades of writing. The movie John Carter is a mere shadow of Burroughs' ultimate civilized hero.

In trying to lure in new fans by depicting more modern versions of the characters, whether Batman, Superman, John Carter, or Tarzan, you take the very real chance of alienating the people who made those characters immortal in the first place. That's one of the things (not the only one by a long shot) that kept "John Carter" from becoming the first blockbuster of the summer and "Batman vs Superman" from being the success that, obviously, it was hoped to be.

My sincere hope is that, by going back to the original material in spirit, if not in script, "The Legend Of Tarzan" manages to avoid the curse that "JC" and BvS" succumbed to.
 
No, but Faith liked it, and I liked the Man of Steel, lol (in your earlier post, I was thinking MOS not B v S) so I'm sure I will.
He was really good in Stanford Prison Experiment and seeing how the character is going be a 180 from the TV show I am genuinely excited. Plus Momoa! And there was one scene in BvS with Gadot and Affleck and I was just OMG. They had amazing chemistry and it was so very good. LOL. You might as well wait for the 3-hour director's cut. They are supposed to be gearing that up for a theatrical run. I've seen it twice already but will certainly go back for that.

Man of Steel was great too.
 
While the final film in the trilogy wasn't quite as good as the 1st 2. Nolan's Batman trilogy was excellent overall. Plus The Dark Knight wasn't simply the best comic book movie ever, but a masterpiece.
 
While the final film in the trilogy wasn't quite as good as the 1st 2. Nolan's Batman trilogy was excellent overall. Plus The Dark Knight wasn't simply the best comic book movie ever, but a masterpiece.

I think Begins is better. I like the mix of arthouse and action. Plus it does a neat job of explaining the character's roots. But DK is great also, quite a different film. More interesting in many ways, but the story isn't as tight.
 
i was just watching the coverage of the world premier of "Captain America: Civil War," and I noticed something that might pertain to this thread. Everyone connected with the movie, from the directors, to the actors, and everyone else who was interviewed had been a fan of the Marvel comics and their characters while growing up. No real surprise, since Marvel was at the peak of its popularity back in the 60's, 70's, and 80's, when most of these people were growing up, but, still, it might be at least a part of the success of this series of films, even though they are divided among several different studios. It's easier to work on something that you enjoy, and it's far more likely that you will spend the extra time required to get it right.

To directors and actors who aren't that invested in what they're doing, to whom it's just a job, regardless of any work ethic that makes them do their job competently and professionally, the love isn't really there, and it quite often shows in the end product.
 
I'm not so sure everyone speaks the truth when they say they were fans growing up. I'm sure some were but I guess some feel (or is being told) to say stuff like that since it goes well with the fans. That's why it was refreshing to see JK Simmons comment about not being a comic book fan growing up. He'll play Commissioner Gordon in the coming Batman movie and refers to him as the guy with the moustache.

I do agree that if you're passionate about your work it'll increase your performance.
 
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