Who chooses the next Slayer?

[nerd4hire]

No. No. DDLM. You misunderstand. I never said

The Shadowmen are responsible for how Slayers are chosen

If I did I sure didn't mean to. What I meant was here's the supposition "The Shadowmen are responsible for how Slayers are chosen". OK, now here's the facts we can draw on for possible support. The 5 statements are fact. It's only making the connection which requires supposition.

Supporting a supposition with fact is to me an entirely different thing than supporting a supposition with more supposition.

For example if you say the powers help Angel out sometimes that appears to be a fact. If you then say, they probably help Buffy out sometimes too, that's a supposition. If you leap from there to say therefore they govern how the slayer line works, that's a supposition based on a supposition.

Really, I only have one major point. The Shadowmen are the ones we know for sure are connected to the creation of a slayer. We know nothing of any connection to slayers by the PTB in any way, shape, or form.

That doesn't mean the PTB couldn't be connected to slayers. I'm just saying if you're looking for a connection between slayers and their creation, where's the more likely place to start if you want something like script fact to support your arguement?

 

[Edmund Blackadder]

No. No. DDLM. You misunderstand. I never said


If I did I sure didn't mean to. What I meant was here's the supposition "The Shadowmen are responsible for how Slayers are chosen". OK, now here's the facts we can draw on for possible support. The 5 statements are fact. It's only making the connection which requires supposition.

Supporting a supposition with fact is to me an entirely different thing than supporting a supposition with more supposition.

For example if you say the powers help Angel out sometimes that appears to be a fact. If you then say, they probably help Buffy out sometimes too, that's a supposition. If you leap from there to say therefore they govern how the slayer line works, that's a supposition based on a supposition.

Just clearing this up, i haven't said that the Powers Help Buffy, i have only argued that because the PTB's are present in Angel, they must be present in Buffy, even if they do nothing.
That is simple fact. So to say that a being with this incredible power being present in the verse could plausibly control the line as we also know for fact they have a vested interest in the battle of Good vs Bad, is supposition based on fact.

Really, I only have one major point. The Shadowmen are the ones we know for sure are connected to the creation of a slayer. We know nothing of any connection to slayers by the PTB in any way, shape, or form.

That doesn't mean the PTB couldn't be connected to slayers. I'm just saying if you're looking for a connection between slayers and their creation, where's the more likely place to start if you want something like script fact to support your arguement?

Thats a fair point, however, we know that if the writers wanted us to believe something like this without question, they would say it.
But they, in my mind, purposefully leave that ambiguous, for the purpose of discussion like this and possibly further story later on.
The PTB's being so prominent in the Angelverse, and the extent of their powers, prove that they at least have the means to do this. Without something definate to refute the possibility they are still plausible.

 

[nerd4hire]

There's probably no point in quibbling, because we both agree on the important part which would be the last part of your statement.

The point I'm trying to make is more like, suppose you were a lawyer and you had to argue this in a court of law, what side of the arguement would you want?

On the side of the PTB you believe you have motive, but no opportunity. You could postulate an opportunity, but you can't show any real connection between the suspect and the crime, so to speak. With the Shadowmen you have both - easy peasy.

 

[Schillaci]

Okay dokey, professor smokie here.

This thread seems to have died and I was finding it quite interesting.

We know the Shadow men "created" the slayer. How did they do that?

RED HAT SHADOW MAN SUBTITLE: Herein lies your truest strength. BLACK HAT SHADOW MAN SUBTITLE: The energy of the demon. Its spirit. BROWN HAT SHADOW MAN SUBTITLE: Its heart. BUFFY This is how you - RED HAT SHADOW MAN SUBTITLE: Created the slayer? (nods) Yes.

CAVE IN
DESERT - DAY
Resume. Buffy's screaming as the black smoke tries to enter her body. The
men just stand there, watching. The smoke can't get in through her head while
she's screaming, so it rises to the ceiling of the cave and comes back down
to her, encircling her hips. Still, she resists.

When they say spirit of a demon could it actually mean, spirit of a demon. They shove the spirit into the slayer. Perhaps similar to the possession of Xander in the Pack

Giles: Well, apparently there's a, a sect of animal worshipers known as
Primals. They believe that humanity, uh, consciousness, uh, the soul, is
a, is a perversion, a dilution of spirit. Uh, to them the animal state
is holy. They are able, through trans-possession, to, to, um, draw the
spirit of certain animals into themselves.

Now what makes The slayers, or for that matter potentials different from Xander. Why did his possession totally take him over? Why is a potential a potential?

Could it be that they have more humanity, have more love than other people?
We do know that Buffy is

First slayer: You are full of love. You love with all of your soul. It's brighter than the fire ... blinding. That's why you pull away from it.

When a slayer dies, the spirit needs to find a new host.. It only looks for girls similar to the original slayer, the template, if you will..

The whole thing about potentials having a mark, thats not in the series is it?

I know I haven't given this much thought, but its a start..