Who is the most powerful character in buffy and who do you think is going to heaven

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I personally think that willow is the most powerful person, i mean shes the only good character with the power to destroy the world. And we've all seen that even when all the other characters where at there most powerful e.g. Giles with the covens powers, anya as a vengeance demon they still couldn't even touch dark willow.
She will definetly be the one who goes to the best hevaen dimension, cos there are apparently 1000s according to Tara. i mean she saved angel so everyone he saves adds to her karma type thing and angel saved Fred who became illyria so everyone Fred/ illyria saves or saved adds to willows karma thing. also cos of willow connor was born so therefore everyone he saves adds to her karma reward.
Willow has also saved Buffy three times- when she went into the coma, when she died and when she went to see the shadow men so therefore everyone buffy saved from the point she went into the coma adds to her karma. And how can we forget the fact she awakend hundreds if not 100s of potential slayes who will save the world countless times.
In fact if you think about it every champion in the world apart from faith wouldn't be there if it wernt for Willow!!!
 
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Faith/willowfan said:
I personally think that willow is the most powerful person, i mean shes the only good character with the power to destroy the world. And we've all seen that even when all the other characters where at there most powerful e.g. Giles with the covens powers, anya as a vengeance demon they still couldn't even touch dark willow.
She will definetly be the one who goes to the best hevaen dimension, cos there are apparently 1000s according to Tara. i mean she saved angel so everyone he saves adds to her karma type thing and angel saved Fred who became illyria so everyone Fred/ illyria saves or saved adds to willows karma thing. also cos of willow connor was born so therefore everyone he saves adds to her karma reward.
Willow has also saved Buffy three times- when she went into the coma, when she died and when she went to see the shadow men so therefore everyone buffy saved from the point she went into the coma adds to her karma. And how can we forget the fact she awakend hundreds if not 100s of potential slayes who will save the world countless times.
In fact if you think about it every champion in the world apart from faith wouldn't be there if it wernt for Willow!!!
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Of course . . . don't forget that Willow did bring Buffy back from the dead - against the latter's will. Committed mind rape - twice on Tara; and murdered two men, namely Warren and Rack.

How certain are we that Willow was the most powerful witch, ever? Have the Scoobies met any witches outside of Sunnydale? And Willow was never able to overturn the Shadowmen's creation of the Slayer line. She was only able to make changes.
 
While she may be power...

We have seen that Willow's powers do have limits and cause physical exhaustion alot. Personally, I believe that Buffy is the strongest. There is so much more to the legacy of the slayer that she still has not yet learned. If there existed enough power for every remaining potential slayer to become an actual slayer, there is more power that Buffy could grasp.

And while Willow was responsible for bringing Buffy back twice, Xander would be more benefiting to your theory since he saved her first and with out his intervention, Willow would not have been able to save her the other times. Also, when Willow used her powers to bring back Buffy, she was responsible for the First's ability to seize upon the weakness in the slayer line and kill so many potentials.
 
While it is true that Willow is mainly resbonsible for the "mystical forces protecting the slayer line" becoming altered thus allowing the first to seize upon the oppurtunity to wipe out the slayer line it seems to me that eventually this turns into a good thing.
I mean if the first had never attacked the slayer line then willow would never have done the spell to activate all slayers therefore there would be a hell of a lot more evil in the world. i mean before everyone was like big whoop cos the world had three guradinas (buffy, angel and faith) but now it has hundreds if not thousands, thanks to willow.
also the shadowmen, as buffy where weak they needed a girl to do their fighting for them,if they where as powerful as willow they wouldnt have needed the slayer and they didnt really use magicks nor did it need great power from the shadowmen to create the slayer because they used that demon dust thing to create the slayer.
We also know how powerful willow is for several reasons.
1. Amy said other witches had to work twice as hard to be half as good as willow.
2. Anya said willow was the most powerful witch in this hemisphere- being a vengeance demon at the time she would know of powerful witches, possibly.
3. If all there are witches more powerful than willow how come they dont get into serious trouble like nearly destroying the world and if there are how come they didnt come to stop willow surely such powerful witches would be able to stop her.
4. the coven we assume has many witches and accoridning to willow she was the most pwerful because everyone was terrified of her, because she was so powerful.
5. we know willow was powerful before because rileys wife said that the two powerful sharmans she met died when trying to give up magic
6. willow was way more advanced than tara even though tara was fairly powerful and had been practicing since she was young.
7. even buffy in series 5 says willow is the strongets person here becase she was the only one who had ever hurt glory at all, i mean buffy just couldnt compete with glory until willow made a hole in glorys mind.
Also willow is deifinetly more powerful than buffy cos she kicked the s*** out of her and buffys powers are just physical, she didnt earn them or appreciate them and they are only good for doing one thing whereas willows powers theoretically allow her to do anything.

I liked the point someone made about xander- he saved buffy so has a good karma level but still willows done it more times and saved more people- e.g. angel who made another chamion his son connor, the slayers activated by willows spell.
 
HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!! As much as I love Willow, I'll have to disagree. There were others more powerful, or who might be just as powerful.
1. Dawm Summers. Of course we all know who she is . The Key. What Glory wanted. Something very, very old. Maybe even more older than the old ones. Anyway, the Key opens a gate way to some hell dimension. Obviously powerful. Anyway, the key intercepts certain types of demons, like the snake one made by Glory. Anyways, again, we really dont know what the key can do. The monks who made Dawn are dead and we'll never know the full power of the Key. If Glory was so pwerful she wouldn't need Dawnie to open portals. POWER!
2.Illyria. Yes. My baby. When Illyria first showed up on the scene, not no b*tch could f*ck with her. Controling time and creating portals, .........POWERFUL! Illyria was unstoppable until she was drained. If Freds shell could with stand her god essence, i think Leery could tap Willows *ss.
3.Cordelia Chase. Cordy. Yes, her. Even though shes dead, I think we all know shes in heaven. Anyways, Cordy became a higher power. A being that knows everything, with powers to no limit. The glowy thing. We really dont know everything it can do but we know it sure as hell helps. If Cor was alive I'd have to go with her. Holding the visions, the only human alive to become such a being of power. I think she'd have Willow whipped though.

But isn't Will a god?/goddess? Whatever.
 
While some of that may be true...

If you look at past instances of Buffy in battle, hardly does she ever put her full force out there, unless shes extremely emotional. Buffy could have taken Willow easily in battle. Even though Willow had her strength and skill enhanced by her magical abilities, Buffy has had years of training and a lifetime of experience. Buffy knew that if she went full slayer-force on Willow, that she would lose a friend and thats why I believe that when you watch the last few eps of Season 6, you can see that Buffy isn't using everything she has.

Yeah Willow could take Buffy in a magical battle, but in a physical one, Buffy would be the supreme winner.
 
HOLD IT! Dont be degrading Willow like that! You just mad because Buffy got her *ss kicked by Willow on the show! I dont care if she used magic to enhance her strength, Willow still tapped that *ss. Dont get mad cause buffy wasnt using full strength. That was her dumbness!
 
How am I degrading Willow and why did you pull my instance out of many, when others had degraded Buffy in previous posts.

And if you were fighting your best friend, would you use all of your powers and kill her or try and hold out for another solution? That easily answers the question, and also you degraded Buffy by saying it was her fault for dumbness, when she was just trying to keep the Scooby Gang intact!
 
So and! Look honey, I did not say kill her. She could of used her full power to put will down. Like I said her dumbness! I'm tired of others thinking Buffy is so superior to others. Without her friends, Buffys ass would have been dead in season one trick! Okay!
 
Without her friends, the whole Buffyverse would have changed and she could have beaten the Master, which she proved to easily do (the second time). Her friends were her connections to the world and that could have been the reason why she was so afraid and didn't put up a fight... or she could have gotten killed and just not have been revived.

And I do think Buffy is superior, maybe not superior to others because everyone is equal, I mean that as she has made the most out her character and fulfilled her destiny in a brave and heroic way... even though she was just given the gift and she didn't have to work for it, she put her life on the line and she NEVER (except for the Knights of something) used her powers to kill humans (Look at the whole Ben thing in The Gift- S5ep22)! We have seen that Slayers have been corrupted by their powers, for instance look at Faith, but she reformed...

The reason behind my arguing this is because the Slayer was meant to be the strongest, fastest fighter... for her to be the only person in the world who could stand up the vampires, demons and the forces of darkness... look at Caleb's speech in Dirty Girls, calling Buffy the strongest and the fastest... Willow has power, but Buffy has a legacy!
 
Legacy my *ss, but you are right. Buffy is superior in a way. No other slayer has lived passed the age of 18, which proves shes doing something right. Still, I dont like when others gang up on one of my fav Buffy characters. Not saying that you were ganging or anything. Good fuss. Lets do it more often, unless you8 want to continue.
 
The way I see it, everyone is powerful in different ways.
*Willow has the magic, and she can do alot with her magics, destroy the world, or save the world. But the magic is more powerful then her, and has taken over her a couple of times. but with the help of her friends, especially Xander, she made it through.
*Buffy is the slayer. She has superpowers, and could beat up about anyone. But her friends have kept her alive, without them there wouldn't be more then one season, as no Xander would have saved her life in Prophecy girl.
*Xander is the heart of the group. He saved the world by telling Willow he loved her! And he's always there for his friends. he makes mistakes and all, but that's human. But he's also really brave, he might be scared to death alot, but he doesn't back away.
*Giles has the knowledge. And he is also brave. Without him they wouldn't know how to deal with things. he knows alot about things, and is like a dad for Buffy, Xander, Willow and Dawn, and maybe even Anya and Tara.
*Dawn was the Key. Which we all know is very powerfull!
*Anya was an over 1000 year old demon, with alot of knowledge about the demon world.

And i could sum up every character I can think of, saying their most powerful sides, but I'll stop here, as I'm too tired to think anymore. Anyway, what i'm trying to say is, without each other, none of them would have made it through. Apart they are all powerful in one way or another, but together they can't be stopped! Especially for Buffy, Willow, Xander and Giles this is true. The spell in the end of s4 proved that. Alone none of them could have stopped Adam, but together they could!

Edit: ok...been reading my post, and I know alot of it doesn't make much sense, but you get my point...I hope!
 
right i started this thread and i wud just like to point out to someone who said illyria and cordy could beat willow. no1. illyria may have been able to beat willow before but she obviously couldnt handle her power cos they had to drain her so willow could kick her ass now. secondly cordy wasnt really made a higher being, well not properly anyway it was a setup by skip to infect her with that weird baby she had- plus who remebers cordy saving the world, anyone cos i dont. i do really like both cordy and illyria tho, they r gr8 but willow wud kick ther asses.
also sum1 sed about how buffy wasn't usin her full strength- thats only cos she cudnt- willow wasnt even tryin- it was obvious, we all kno willow is far superior especially since she is modest, and doesnt think she is superior to everyone else.
sum1 sed how dawn is powerful, she is powerful but only if her blood is spilt at a certain place when the planets are alligned but if it came down to a fight, willow would win but i do think dawn shud hav sum powers like opening portals to other dimensions or sumthin.
sum1 also sed that if it came down to a physical fight then willow wud lose which aint fair cos buffys strength isn't her own its her gift, its borrowed power from a dead demon. to make it fair then they should take buffys superpowers away and then let em fight or just let willow use her powers.
buffy may have a legacy but i say legacy smegacy- who cares thats not reali anythin 2 do wid this discussion and if wer'e gona go on about legacy- if u fink about it willow has a legacy, a legacy of magic dating back to before the slayer- it is part of the reason the slayer existes therfore willows legacy predates buffys. also it has not been confirmed that buffy is the oldest slayer ever cos its neva bin mentioned- all the programs ever sed is that shes surpassed the average age length of a slayer.
In conclusion willow rules 4eva!!!
 
If magic predates the Slayer (which it does in the Buffyverse) then why wasn't magic enough to fight the vampires, why did the Shamans have to create the slayer?

The shamans (who were know were on the same or below the level of Willow's power) created the Slayer from a demon because they had to stop the vampires. Apparently their powers were no match for the vampires, thus the creation of the Slayer.

The Slayer was designed to have the following powers: superstrength, incredible speed and agility. These were the traits that one would need to fight off the forces of the vampires. After one Slayer died the next was called, thus the Legacy. I don't know why someone would disapprove of the Legacy, since its the only thing that kept the Buffyverse from chaos in the beginning. The Legacy brought upon power to Buffy, power that was meant to make her the strongest and fastest. No other person in the world (with the exception of Faith, and we can debate that if you would like because that is a topic I like to discuss. Also all the new potential slayers who were activated.) had the strength or skill that she had. Referring back to Caleb's speech in Dirty Girls. Although Caleb was powerful, he was nothing without the First and Glory was not a human. And as we saw in the scene in the Vineyard with the Scoobies fighting, after Buffy saw Caleb stab Molly, she easily took him down and maybe if not for Spike's intervention, she could have taken him down forever. And for the subject of Glory, the Slayer was not meant to fight someone of her power and although Buffy was not as powerful as Glory, she gave her a good run for her money.

You can say anything else about Buffy, but she was meant to be the only person to be able to have the physical power to fight otherwordly creatures. I've also heard some good theories about the limits of the Slayer's power. Some have stated that Slayer is gifted with however much power she needs at the time to fight the vampires, demons or forces of darkness, its just up the level of the Slayer or her intentions to how well she will use that power.

Yeah, in an all out battle, Willow with her magical powers would easily beat Buffy. Although in a physical fight, with Willow having her powers, Buffy would easily take her.
 
HOLD UP HO!!!!!! For one , Buffy is not all that. The only reason she did give Glory a run for her money is because she used that big ass hammer!!!!!!!!!Anyways I said Illyria could beat Willow with her powers. And the only the reason she couldnt balance them in Freds body is because they werent made for a human to contain!OK!!!!!!!And yes I said Cordy could have probably beat willow! HIGHER POWER!! That wasnt fake. Skip hisself said that her ascension was because of her. Everything else happened from then on was because of the otheer ones with Skip!!!!!!! And I said Dawn maybe more powerful then we know cause the monks that made her are dead and we dont know what her full potential is!!!!!!!Get your facts straight before you run off at the mouth!!!
 
Hey HO!

I agree with some of the things you said, ho.

I'm not saying Buffy is all that, I'm saying the Slayer is all that. Without the Slayer powers, Buffy would have possibly remained a shallow and superficial girl. But she got the powers and did great good with them.

And the reason I keep referring to Buffy and not Faith is because, like Caleb said (because I watched Dirty Girls today, I'm gonna use alot of quotes) shes the original slayer. Maybe the line goes through Faith, but the power still lies in Buffy. Maybe the power of the Slayer is channeled through Buffy? But thats another debate.

Now for Illyria, I do believe that Illyria in her own form could have taken Willow in a physical fight. She had the whole time lapse control thing which was impressive, along with her strength and other powers she could have had.

Not that I'm bashing on Willow, its just that Illyria is an Old One... Willow is amazingly powerful, but there are just people that are more powerful in different way.

Although Illyria vs. Buffy, that would be a good fight!
 
So what if cordy was a higher power she couldnt do anythin apart from them glowey things and visions- she wasnt a champions- it even sed in the program she was just a guide for angel, i personally see why she became a higher power i mean there are people who deserve it more than her, buffy, xander, willow, doyle, angel- i mean shes never saved the world but everyone except doyle has.
also the reason the shadowmen needed, a slayer is because they where weak, as buffy said, they had no real power they just used the power of a demon- people keep talking about how the slayer has a legacy but i think its just borrowed power, its not theirs its the power of the demon it came from.
i agree when illyria had her powers she would have kicked willows ass but she wud have kicked buffys, faiths and everyone elses ass 2 but now willow would easily beat her. well maybe not easily.
 
Yes, I agree but you dont have to save the world just to become a higher power! Sorry but what ever you say I'm going to defend Cordy somehow! And she did deserve it. Countless times helping the vampire with a soul, Angel. Angel couldnt save live without Cordys vision. Therefore all his victorys go to her. No visions equal no redemption for Angel. Got it!?
 
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Yes, I agree but you dont have to save the world just to become a higher power! Sorry but what ever you say I'm going to defend Cordy somehow! And she did deserve it. Countless times helping the vampire with a soul, Angel. Angel couldnt save live without Cordys vision. Therefore all his victorys go to her. No visions equal no redemption for Angel. Got it!?
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no soul equals no redemption for angel, no visions for cordy. "GOt it!?"
 
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