Who Pays The Piper? (Spoilers For Season 8)

[white avenger]

For those few people reading this who have no knowledge of the goings on in Season 8 up to this point, consider yourself warned. This thread involves the consequences of actions taken and the responsibility for those actions.

Okay, it has been established that Twilight is none other than our own beloved Angel, and it appears that he is responsible, either directly of indirectly, for the deaths of several hundred Slayers, several THOUSAND other assorted humans, and at least one plot to unleash killer vampire kitty dolls on the world. My question is, assuming that all of that is fact, will Angel be held accountable for his actions, regardless of any perceived "good intentions" on his part, and what, if any, form and degree of punishment would you deem appropriate for his crimes?

 

[Vengeance]

If time travel negates everything he did as Twilight then it's kind of a moot point, but if he ends up having to face any sort of consequences it might just be something like Buffy telling him she never wants to see him again. I'm not sure what other punishment you can really give a vampire other than just staking him and that's obviously not going to happen.

edit: Just my opinion, I don't think any punishment is due at all. Giles said something about "The power Twilight has on his subjects" so you can just play the "being controlled" card.

 

[AndrewCrossett]

I live in fear that Angel's guilt will be hand-waved away with a combination of "he was under Twilight's control" and "he killed some Slayers to save the rest." (You know, just like Jasmine's kill-thousands-to-save-billions thing, but OK this time because it's Angel.)

If time travel can be used to clean up the mess and bring back those who he killed, then fair enough. That way, Angel is simply back to Square One in his redemption quest, rather than in the parking lot behind Square One, trying to get in.

If he can't fix what he's done, then he damned well better be the very picture of remorse. I don't want to hear any excuses or rationalizations, and I certainly don't want him getting any free passes from Buffy or anyone else.

 

[Buffyverse Fan]

I live in fear that Angel's guilt will be hand-waved away with a combination of "he was under Twilight's control" and "he killed some Slayers to save the rest." (You know, just like Jasmine's kill-thousands-to-save-billions thing, but OK this time because it's Angel.)

If time travel can be used to clean up the mess and bring back those who he killed, then fair enough. That way, Angel is simply back to Square One in his redemption quest, rather than in the parking lot behind Square One, trying to get in.

If he can't fix what he's done, then he damned well better be the very picture of remorse. I don't want to hear any excuses or rationalizations, and I certainly don't want him getting any free passes from Buffy or anyone else.

Think the next issue will reveal why Spike, Gunn, Illyria, and Connor haven't killed him (or died trying)?

 

[Icarium]

Okay, it has been established that Twilight is none other than our own beloved Angel, and it appears that he is responsible, either directly of indirectly, for the deaths of several hundred Slayers, several THOUSAND other assorted humans, and at least one plot to unleash killer vampire kitty dolls on the world. My question is, assuming that all of that is fact, will Angel be held accountable for his actions, regardless of any perceived "good intentions" on his part, and what, if any, form and degree of punishment would you deem appropriate for his crimes?

Of course Angel won't get any comeuppance. It will most likely somehow turn out that it wasn't his fault. Think Spike and the trigger in S7. And even if it turns out to be his fault, he will probably just be redeemed anyway as has already happened to just about every main character. Basically I think Whedon stopped cared about the morality of his characters many years ago. Nowadays as long as they say they feel badly afterwards, they are allowed to do anything. I don't see any possibility of Angel paying for his crimes, mostly because I don't see Whedon killing the golden goose, namely the Angel-Spike-Buffy love triangle of doom.

 

[Willow-Tree]

I have no doubt in my mind that Angel will live. How many times has he died or been in serious peril? Same with Spike and Buffy, to be honest.