Who should Anya be with?

[Silum]

I voted Other.

She is a murderous evil woman so I believe she doesn't belong with anyone. I believe Anya is unique in the Buffyverse for being a character that many view as redeemed but ultimately showed only a few qualities of redemption. She quickly turned against the faux redemption we saw that lasted a few years as soon as Xander broke her heart. If she was truly a changed person then nothing could have taken her back to the days of seeking vengence on others (we dont even know how many people's lives she ruined/killed between the 'Worm monster' and 'Bleeding hearts from the Jocks on campus'. Dont missinterpret me either because plenty of other characters come from less than decent pasts, notably Spike and Angel. But both once ensouled repented from those past actions, something very different than we see from the arogant and self involved Anya we see on screen.

The very thing she told Willow she would NEVER do (turn against Xander and wish vengeance upon him) she tried every possible way to do. If it wasn't for a loophole within the vengeance qualities, Xander would be dead. Simple as that.

IMO she is filth. Cute and interesting as a character which is why I understand why people like her, and even call her their favourite character.... but ultimately she has shown on too many occasions that she crossed the (fuzzy yes, but quite defined) moral line that cannot be excused. She doesn't deserve Xander, thats for DAMN sure. He deserved far far better.

 

[anyalover17]

I voted Other.

She is a murderous evil woman so I believe she doesn't belong with anyone. I believe Anya is unique in the Buffyverse for being a character that many view as redeemed but ultimately showed only a few qualities of redemption. She quickly turned against the faux redemption we saw that lasted a few years as soon as Xander broke her heart. If she was truly a changed person then nothing could have taken her back to the days of seeking vengence on others (we dont even know how many people's lives she ruined/killed between the 'Worm monster' and 'Bleeding hearts from the Jocks on campus'. Dont missinterpret me either because plenty of other characters come from less than decent pasts, notably Spike and Angel. But both once ensouled repented from those past actions, something very different than we see from the arogant and self involved Anya we see on screen.

The very thing she told Willow she would NEVER do (turn against Xander and wish vengeance upon him) she tried every possible way to do. If it wasn't for a loophole within the vengeance qualities, Xander would be dead. Simple as that.

IMO she is filth. Cute and interesting as a character which is why I understand why people like her, and even call her their favourite character.... but ultimately she has shown on too many occasions that she crossed the (fuzzy yes, but quite defined) moral line that cannot be excused. She doesn't deserve Xander, thats for DAMN sure. He deserved far far better.

OMH!
*hyperventilates*
Did you just call my Anya a murderous evil woman?
Dear lord!

...I'm not obsessed with her or anything... 😎

 

[Silum]

OMH!
*hyperventilates*
Did you just call my Anya a murderous evil woman?
Dear lord!

...I'm not obsessed with her or anything... 😎

Murderous... That doesn't need defending.

Evil..."A term used to describe intentional negative moral acts or thoughts that are cruel, unjust, or selfish."

Woman... Well, i suppose I never did see proof.

 

[anyalover17]

Murderous... That doesn't need defending.

Evil..."A term used to describe intentional negative moral acts or thoughts that are cruel, unjust, or selfish."

Woman... Well, i suppose I never did see proof.

Of course you saw proof, she clearly has breasts.
😎

 

[Revolver]

So does a fat dude friend of mine though!

 

[anyalover17]

So does a fat dude friend of mine though!

HAHAHA ZING! That was good.

 

[hazzard]

xander, of course.
they were great together. and her death was one of the saddest, although brilliantly done.

 

[PDH5204]

I voted Other.

She is a murderous evil woman so I believe she doesn't belong with anyone. I believe Anya is unique in the Buffyverse for being a character that many view as redeemed but ultimately showed only a few qualities of redemption. She quickly turned against the faux redemption we saw that lasted a few years as soon as Xander broke her heart. If she was truly a changed person then nothing could have taken her back to the days of seeking vengence on others (we dont even know how many people's lives she ruined/killed between the 'Worm monster' and 'Bleeding hearts from the Jocks on campus'. Dont missinterpret me either because plenty of other characters come from less than decent pasts, notably Spike and Angel. But both once ensouled repented from those past actions, something very different than we see from the arogant and self involved Anya we see on screen.

The very thing she told Willow she would NEVER do (turn against Xander and wish vengeance upon him) she tried every possible way to do. If it wasn't for a loophole within the vengeance qualities, Xander would be dead. Simple as that.

IMO she is filth. Cute and interesting as a character which is why I understand why people like her, and even call her their favourite character.... but ultimately she has shown on too many occasions that she crossed the (fuzzy yes, but quite defined) moral line that cannot be excused. She doesn't deserve Xander, thats for DAMN sure. He deserved far far better.

I don't suppose that Halfrek's "no deaths, no eviscerations" means anything to you then. If you haven't yet figured it out, the Abercrombie & Fitch catalogue was her trying to prove to herself that she could once again be Anyanka. She failed in that endeavor. So there were no deaths, or more correctly, she had the Abercrombie & Fitch catalogue killed but then had them resurrected.

You would be better served to ask, how many did Angelus kill besides Ms. Calendar following Buffy's refusal to take him out when she had the chance. Or does she get the free pass?

 

[Ceder]

Anya belongs to Xander !!! lol. That being said, if not Xander, Spike would have been a great Anya lover. And their quick sex-romance was delightful 😎

 

[Avalith]

Xander times one million.

 

[PDH5204]

I won't say who she should be with, but I will say that for a show on female empowerment, read as female liberation, well, she could never end as his Mrs.

 

[Silum]

I don't suppose that Halfrek's "no deaths, no eviscerations" means anything to you then. If you haven't yet figured it out, the Abercrombie & Fitch catalogue was her trying to prove to herself that she could once again be Anyanka. She failed in that endeavor. So there were no deaths, or more correctly, she had the Abercrombie & Fitch catalogue killed but then had them resurrected.

Ok, well we have to take Halfreks version of murder compared with our own. Do you consider a man as a giant worm a man? What else do you think she did? She regularly talked (we saw at the wedding) of sending people to hell dimensions... surely thats a common wish? I wish he went to hell? ...But if your trying to argue that Anya is a good person while she does these atrocities...please do...I might find it amusing!

You would be better served to ask, how many did Angelus kill besides Ms. Calendar following Buffy's refusal to take him out when she had the chance. Or does she get the free pass?

Yea, your asking the wrong person on that one. I dont hold the crimes of Angelus against Angel (what does Buffy's inability to take out Angelus have to do with that??)..But I do think Angel has his own problems... the fact that hes a 240 year old man stalking a 16 year old girl screams pedifilia to me for one.

 

[Tasha]

any bdy else think andrew?, ha ko he's too young for her,
xander by far

 

[hazzard]

I won't say who she should be with, but I will say that for a show on female empowerment, read as female liberation, well, she could never end as his Mrs.

sure she could have. just because someone is a "feminist" or believes in "female empowerment" and all of that doesn't mean they can't be happily married or have relationships with men or whatever...i think it's kind of paradoxical to the definition of female empowerment to say that a woman couldn't marry and still be empowered--she can do what she wants and chose if she wants to be married or not, and marry who she wants--that's being empowered in that respect.

 

[PDH5204]

sure she could have. just because someone is a "feminist" or believes in "female empowerment" and all of that doesn't mean they can't be happily married or have relationships with men or whatever...i think it's kind of paradoxical to the definition of female empowerment to say that a woman couldn't marry and still be empowered--she can do what she wants and chose if she wants to be married or not, and marry who she wants--that's being empowered in that respect.

The problem isn't "marriage" or the relationship per se. Rather, the problem is her defining herself in terms of him, i.e., she wasn't Anya and then his fiancee, but his Mrs. The beginning of the end of that came with Hells Bells.

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Ok, well we have to take Halfreks version of murder compared with our own. Do you consider a man as a giant worm a man? What else do you think she did? She regularly talked (we saw at the wedding) of sending people to hell dimensions... surely thats a common wish? I wish he went to hell? ...But if your trying to argue that Anya is a good person while she does these atrocities...please do...I might find it amusing!

Halfrek called her "Miss Soft Serve". The complaint was that she wasn't goading women into anything substantial and even when it was wished nonetheless, she wasn't delivering. That's because she was no longer Anyanka. Recall the flashback scene, with D'Hoffryn calling Aud, Anyanka, and Aud asking, why do you keep calling me that, and D'Hoffryn saying in reply, because that is who you are. Now go forward to the scene where D'Hoffryn appears at the frat house. He calls her Anyanka, Xander says, her name is Anya, and then following the "wish", even D'Hoffryn calls her Anya, with emphasis on the Anya [i.e., of all the words spoken by D'Hoffryn to Anya, the emphasis is on the Anya].

Selfless is a show re the name defining who you are and she ends as Anya [and not Aud or Anyanka]. As Selfless and the rest make plain, she goes from doting wife to radical man-hating feminist to doting girlfriend/fiancee to lost and selfless to reasonably satisfied independent woman and that's the state she dies in.

Lastly, remorse is for fools. I'd rather she repent than show remorse, I mean, I hear and see all sorts of people speaking to how sorry they are, but yet they keep doing the exact same wrong thing. So who cares about remorse when she and we would be better served if she simply changed her attitude and headed in the other direction [here, think of the word, repent, with the relevant Greek word that we are translating into English meaning exactly that, a change of attitude, or you might say that the change in attitude speaks volumes louder than the mere "I'm sorry about what I've done"].

And are you without compassion and mercy? She defined herself in terms of him. That was lost, and so what she did was to try to go back to the only thing that she thought she knew. Again, that endeavor failed.

Sorry, I lied, and so one more. Is the objection simply Anya, or is it instead the notion that she isn't good enough for Xander? Xander is hardly a worthy mate, as he is, as Anya says near the end of Entropy, the frightened little boy who has to make jokes to hide his insecurity. And from a neutral view, Xander rather abused her during their relationship. And he bagged on Cordy because Cordy wouldn't take that treatment, as she was, whatever her faults, a truly independent woman. And Xander couldn't deal with that and so he ran away from her. And then he lorded it over the most vulnerable of souls. I would have ditched his rear end as soon as he pulled that "we can't tell anyone yet" thing as concerns their engagement. And Anya didn't need to wonder, as she did when she was with Spike, as he never loved her the way that she loved him. Never. That much is certain. And Spike was right about him and Buffy, and her and Xander, as he and Anya were the more worthy souls in the respective relationships.

 

[sosa lola]

The problem isn't "marriage" or the relationship per se. Rather, the problem is her defining herself in terms of him, i.e., she wasn't Anya and then his fiancee, but his Mrs. The beginning of the end of that came with Hells Bells.

I agree that Anya always needed something to cling to and define herself with. First it was vengeance and then it was Xander, and that shows an insecure woman who needs to learn how to be more independend.

And from a neutral view, Xander rather abused her during their relationship. And he bagged on Cordy because Cordy wouldn't take that treatment, as she was, whatever her faults, a truly independent woman. And Xander couldn't deal with that and so he ran away from her.

When did Xander abuse Anya? Or Cordelia for that matter? And did you just say that Xander ran away because he couldn't handle Anya? : erm :

 

[Revolver]

Where was there abuse exactly? Because he tended to correct her behavior at times? Yeah, screw him for suggesting that a thousand year old former demon who tortured and killed men should possibly change anything about herself.

 

[Have Faith]

Just to be different, I said Dracula. The image of serious straight faced ol' Drac being led around by his cape while Anya rambles on about "multiple orgasms" just strikes me as a really fun relationship. Xander can stop by occasionally and they can all go motorbike riding together.

That does sound extremely funny. Good thought, even though I dont agree. =)

I'm with the Xander fans. Anya didnt know real love until Xander, and I think the whole idea of love scared Xander before Anya.

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Xander times one million.

Agreed.
-savethewhales

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BTW, who the hell is Torg? Im only on the sixth season, so.... its not that troll thing, is it? Cuz i thought that was Olaf. Could be wrong. Get back to me.

 

[Misty]

I agree with Joyce Summers, I think she looks the best with Andrew, because they're both characters I adore, and they're both funny! Even though I'm a huge Cordelia and Xander fan, I also like her with Xander.

 

[shiatsu]

I elect Olaf to be Anya's new friend, "in that way" 🙂