Why Do People Hate Warren?

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LittleMissLikesToFight

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Forgive me, but i don't get it. I don't know about you all here, but ive traversed many a discussion board on facebook about buffy and everyone seems to loathe Warren. I appreciated him as a character, thought he was wonderfully developed from this dork who meddles with the wrong stuff (like his robo-girlfriend) to becoming this corrupted young man who loses all compassion and morality.

I also think he was quirky, funny, and just a great character.

Why is there so much hatred towards him? I just really want to understand.
 
Well, this is a tough one. And being a W/T shipper my judgement is clouded on this one so...

As a character he had to be developed, can't just have 2D villains and Joss doesn't skimp on making some compelling characters, even the bad guys.

But Warren was written to have no redeeming qualities, he wasn't meant to be understood or forgiven, he was always going to do something unnecessarily horrible to the Scoobies, so in this case they made a villain that wasn't a Demon, wasn't Souless, didn't have to do what he did. Simply killed out of a very insecure and violent immature side of himself.

Even when he faced death look at the way he yelled such misogynistic things at Willow, the way he treated Katrina, he wasn't above abusing women in the worst ways and for no reason other than egotism.

So unlike other characters who were evil when they killed and redeemed later or were forced to do what they did, Warren was a person with a Soul. People aren't willing, and have little reason to, forgive what he did in any way.
 
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exactly. he had a soul.he knew what he was doing. AND he used a gun killing tara and almost buffy.not many ppl show sympathy towards serial killers in real life either. hes no different
eh? He killed Tara... which I'm not saying is a bad thing, but he was the worst evil there could be. He was a human, who was a murderer, a control freak, and the fact that the first took his form to kill the Great Johnathon only furthers my dislike towards him. Yet he was just trying to take down Buffy, and in his own sick twisted way he the big bad of season 6. Which gets him points. But after all he was an abusive, mean, inconsiderate, selfish, greedy, power hungry character, so no I didn't like him.
 
im not disagreeing that he was terrible... but as a character i think he was just well done and all and i appreciate him a lot for that. and i dunno, a part of me liked him and maybe not necessarily could forgive what he did but i almost feel bad because... i dont truly think he wanted to be the way he was. he was hesitant in the beginning to do those "big bad things" and yes he gave in... but being that he DID have a soul makes me believe there was a little bit of hope in him i guess.
 
The only time I liked him was when we see him/willow together in the scene in The Killer in Me, and even then he wasn't Warren he was Willow.. So I never really liked him all that much. But he was a good nemesis.
 
what i dont get is that people love other baddies... the master, glory, the mayor... and they were just as bad (Worse, even). I know the argument is he's human he has a soul so we can't like him.... but i dunno. I found his personality witty and intelligent. I just must be the super-minority lol.
 
Because Pople are stupid!

What you need to get defined is whether they hated the character or hated his actions because as much as I hated his actions, his character was truly intriguing to watch and follow.

i dont truly think he wanted to be the way he was. he was hesitant in the beginning to do those "big bad things" and yes he gave in... but being that he DID have a soul makes me believe there was a little bit of hope in him i guess
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I don't think you understood the character. From the moment we meet him, we see he is devoid of basic human qualities and your 'belief' is misplaced I'm afraid. Joss and Co spent so much time telling us there are NO redeeming feature of this guy, in essence that sometimes the worst 'demon' in the world is in fact a human.
Warrens acts were far worse than anything done by other 'big bads' on the show because he was human. Even Faith showed remorse before season 4 Buffy, but Warren only ever felt 'bad' when he was going to be in trouble.
He was a despisable, despicable picture of the worst kind of human being, however with all that said and done, he was a great character.
 
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I agree, Joss told us over and over again that the most evil in the world can be found in humans, Warren was the embodiedment of that
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you know, you're right about me possibly misinterpreting. i will have to look closer the next run through season 6. see, its so funny though, because i never really felt bad for faith even though she was remorseful. i had more anger towards her than ever at warren because she was so stupid in what she did i guess, so blind to repercussions (in fact, i didnt like her at all when i first watched the show, and only through my second viewing on dvd did i love her) and i guess maybe because warren just was the way he was... i dont know.

i have a warped head maybe?
 
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the normal amount for a buffy fan of warpedness. :D no worries there
LittleMissLikesToFight said:
you know, you're right about me possibly misinterpreting. i will have to look closer the next run through season 6. see, its so funny though, because i never really felt bad for faith even though she was remorseful. i had more anger towards her than ever at warren because she was so stupid in what she did i guess, so blind to repercussions (in fact, i didnt like her at all when i first watched the show, and only through my second viewing on dvd did i love her) and i guess maybe because warren just was the way he was... i dont know.

i have a warped head maybe?
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Not warped. Normal. You were angrier at Faith because you could see her redeemable qualities and wanted her to be a good person. Warren doesn't have any redeemable qualities and therefore doesn't warrant the same kind of anger. Think about it: if someone you know and like does something stupid, aren't you angrier than if it's someone you barely know or don't care about? Or even actively dislike?
 
What I found interesting about Warren is how he parallels with Willow. Both were insecure and unpopular and used magic/intellect to gain esteem which got out of control. When everyone else found what Warren did with April repugnant, Willow actually understood how he felt. How ironic that she ended being the one who hated him the most.
 
The main reason is because he killed Tara, I hated him before that though, I mean, he was a well portrayed character, just he was intent on killing Buffy...and for what purpose...? I just don't GET him.
 
Because...if he was aiming for world domination (hee hee, such a silly idea, maybe thats also why i liked him) obviously you cant have the slayer around. Especially her, who knows them better than a new slayer that would be called would.
 
I think the main reason he went after Buffy in particular is because he's a misogynist and she's the embodiment of female power. They're polar opposites. He can't stand the idea of a woman having as much power as she does (I think she even says at one point, "You've really got issues with strong women, don't you?" or something similar). At first, it was just to get her out of the way for Sunnydale-domination, but then she became a personal threat to his worldview--in which women are toys, nothing more--so of course he had to try to take her out personally, the same way he did Katrina, because she showed that she had a mind of her own, which he couldn't control or dominate. So of course she had to die. It's been happening throughout human history; men who are used to being in power can't stand women having or gaining power, so they react violently (not always physically violent, either; sometimes it's verbally or politically violent).
 
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Yeah, that sounds about right... and really Warren wasn't all that sucesseful as a big bad... and he chose the cowards way of trying to take Buffy out and instead shoots one of the gentlest people in the show...
He was a sad pathetic geek who hurt people and was obsessed with power because he was immature and stupid...
honestly whats there to like
 
So, just guessing here, he wouldn't be on your christmas card list, huh ?
 
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