Why do people treat each other badly on the internet?

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So the discussion for today is: why do you think people treat each other so badly online? Is it a chance to act as they never would in real life? Do people just not think about what they're saying? Are people just all jerks by definition? What do you think?

There is an excellent article available here which I really recommend to everyone to read:

Real Simple: Why Is There So Much Negativity on the Internet?
 
Honestly, I think it's because there's no face to the name. There's a bunch of lines of text. I know there's another person on the other side of that computer screen, but I can't see how my words are being taken because I can't see their face to gauge their emotion.

The Real Simple Article said:
we allow ourselves behaviors online we never would in person
It's easier to pretend online. It's easy to threaten or name call someone online, but that same person wouldn't necessarily do it in person. I think some people really forget that there's another person attached to that screen-name we see.

The Real Simple Article said:
And it's literally in our best interests to do so, because here's the kicker: Being negative actually hurts the perpetrator more than it hurts whoever is on the receiving end. Let negative feelings run rampant, and you risk damaging not only real-world friendships or your social standing in online communities, but also your physical health long term. On the flip side, psychologists say that learning how to dial up the good vibes and play nice online may help you feel happier, improve your health, and make you feel more connected to others.
This is actually something I've really been trying to work on. I know I've been pretty negative, and downright mean in some instances, online, and I want to change that. I know how it feels to be on the receiving end of a LOT of negativity, and that's more so in my real life, but it's not fun. I think it's better to try to maintain peaceful, happy vibes. If you think happy, you'll be happy. I try to wake up every morning and smile. It sets my mood for the day.

Honestly, I think this week is a fantastic idea. There's a lot of negativity in this fandom. Some of it based on misunderstandings, some based on people loving the characters or ship so much that they take personal offense when someone doesn't like them, some just based on rude people being rude. (I don't think we have many of the latter here.) I'm all for spirited debates, but when people start attacking you personally, I think everyone needs to take a step back. Both parties need to stop talking for a day or so, and see if they're still heated when they come back. If they are, then maybe they've both crossed a line that they just can't cross. Something they can't talk about together.

All in all, I think everyone, and I include myself here, needs to have more respect for everyone else, and visualize yourself on the other end of that computer screen. See how you'd like to be in that person's position getting that message. If you'd be horrified to have your mother read it, you probably shouldn't post it. That's something I really need to keep in mind.
 
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I think a lot of people feel like there are no real repercussions to their actions online. They can say and do what they want, because they'll never have to face that person to find out how it really affected them.
 
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People have no fear to say whatever goes trough their minds on the internet. There is just the screen, no real person who can blame you, who can punish you! You're an anonymous on the internet! That leads people to bad postings and things they would actually never say in real life!
 
I think it's primarily because of these two reasons:

Seeing the person with whom we are speaking. Having someone sitting in front of you "calls up all of the history you have with that person or everything you can infer about that person and their prior experiences," says Sproull. "You can see if they're clean or dirty, appropriately or inappropriately dressed, if they look happy, attentive, enraged." And from those observations you begin to follow what Sproull calls "standard interaction scripts" and to treat people with a little greater understanding of who they are and the situation they are in.

Someone's reaction to us. In person, "we absorb a huge amount by the other person's body language," says Tom Sander, executive director of the Saguaro Seminar project on civic engagement at the Harvard Kennedy School. "Online, I can't see if you're yawning or nodding your head or checking your morning mail. It makes it hard to have high-quality, meaningful exchanges." And it's then impossible for you to tailor what you are saying to the person you are talking to.

If you cannot see the person you're talking to, it is easier to say and do things you ordinarily wouldn't. For example... for me (and I'll guess for others), it's easier to tell someone you have a crush on about your feelings online. Because even if they don't feel the same way, you don't have to see that. For the same reason, it's easier to say something mean. Because you don't have to see the expression on the person's face.

It goes back to the food for thought for Monday and the remembering that there are faces behind the usernames.


There were a couple other things in the article I thought were particularly great.

2. Read out loud. "It sounds so hokey," says Sproull, "but when you read something out loud, it reminds you that it is a message from you and not just disembodied text." Hearing your own words makes it "easier to imagine how your audience will hear them."
I do this with most of the things I post here because I found it helps me to sound less negative and mean... and also helps me to make sure I've worded myself so that I can read it back and understand it, and therefore, other people will better be able to understand it. Sometimes (not always), I also use that to catch typos. Then after I hit post, I usually go back and read it out loud again because usually I'm proud of what I've just posted. (then I go back and re-read out loud every post I get a rep comment on. It has nothing to do with being nice I guess... but it's a little quirk of mine I felt like sharing. haha)

3. Don't read into nonresponses. If you haven't gotten a response to an e-mail, don't assume you know why. "People often make assumptions, "˜Oh, they're blowing me off,' " says Sproull. But in real life there are at least 10 reasons why the person hasn't answered. "Maybe they didn't get your message, maybe they haven't had a chance to read it, maybe they agree with it and don't see any point in replying, maybe they got it, read it, and are still deciding how to respond." Since those options (and more) are possible, you're just harming yourself by making up a (likely negative) story about what the other person is thinking.
This is tough for me... but I think this goes in the physical world too. My role in various social groups tends to often be "the fun killer." I'm the person who will listen in on a fun conversation and be a part of the group laughing and having fun... and then I'll say something and join in... and everyone stops laughing and it gets awkward for a moment, and the conversation changes. Someone will be doing something fun (like bouncing a ball) and ask for someone to come join them. I come and (bounce the ball) with them and then almost immediately, they decide it's not fun anymore. I have a tendency to take this personally... but upon reading this little paragraph here, I realized something. 1. Just because people move on when I join in doesn't mean they hate me. and 2. Every group needs the person who helps them to notice when it's time to move on.

Moving out of the physical world and to virtual space... this is something that gets very difficult to remember. Because when we do this, we've often sent or posted something that has great emotional value to us. And, therefore, even if subconsciously, we're nervous about the response it will get. The longer it takes, the more it racks our nerves.


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Now I just feel I have to say this because of my emotional attachments to certain people I've met on the internet and not in the physical world... I did not like how this article often insinuated that relationships formed online are not meaningful and true. It didn't say relationships formed online cannot be meaningful and true, but it did kind of hint that they generally are not.

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People act bad in the real world too. The internet isn't a special place. That's always been my experience anyway.

bolded emphasis mine.

So glad you said this. I think it is easier to be mean and hurtful on the internet, but I think this article did kind of look over the fact that people are mean and hurtful in the physical world too.

This part in particular:
5. Blame the medium. Let's say you do blow it and post a snarky comment or send a cranky e-mail. Remember, none of us have been trained to communicate with one another online, so we're learning this new mode of communication as we go. If you blow it one time, be compassionate with yourself and try to do better next time.

I thought that was really unfair. 1. because who knows what people were 'trained' (better word: taught) to behave on the internet? I was. We were taught proper internet communication in our typing class in 7th grade. We were taught in what context it's ok to use "text talk," we were taught how to be careful of our diction, we were taught different accepted ways of indicating sarcasm ([scarcasm]whatever you wanted to say[/sarcasm], *sarcasm* whatever you wanted to say *sarcasm*, *sarcasm* whatever you wanted to say *endsarcasm*, etc). 2. because if you're mean to someone, it is your fault. I'm not saying that to be mean... but if you slip and say something hurtful, it's not the internet's fault. Because the internet wasn't mean. You were. It's the same as in the physical world. If you're mean to someone, it's not the situation's fault. It's yours.

I view the internet in large part as just another social situation/context. It's kind of like the mall. At the mall, you're in public and there are lots of different places where you can go all in the same general spot. The same general social rules apply when talking about communication. It is impolite to yell at someone. it is not appropriate to call someone names. It is not appropriate to put someone down for their opinions. It is not appropriate to put someone down for their looks. etc. In general, being nice on the internet is not that much different from being nice in the physical world. It just requires a little more thought because you can't see the person...
 
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It's so easy to be cruel to someone when you can't see them/don't know them. I personally try to never be unnecessarily rude to anyone. However, I am pretty sarcastic in real life, and it's very hard for some people to detect it online. I try to tone it down on the internet because people here (not this particular site, just the online "world" in general) can be extremely touchy about the most ridiculous things. I'm willing to listen to anyone's opinions on here, even if they seem ridiculous. My theory is, rude or mean people online probably aren't too happy in real life. There's no use in giving them what they so desperately want, attention.

Or of course they're just having a bad day.
 
I put it down to being able to hide behind a screen. The internet is a mask for true identity when it comes to people being nasty to others. There's no face to face interaction so people feel somewhat more confident that they can get away with it. Half of them out there wouldn't act they way they do face to face with someone.
 
In my opinion people just don't think. They don't consider others emotions as real people are behind the computer and some just don't care as they don't see it as real life when in my opinion it is. If someone is nasty or off to me online it affects me offline in a very real way. Some just pretend to be something they are not and just do not care about online people they come across.

I think people should remember that for every online person they come across there is a very real person offline.

Would those people still react in a nasty manner if they remembered this? Well some would as some people are just nasty in real life as well, it takes all types. But, I think people should also re-read what they have typed and think about the other person before they hit the enter button. It will not stop everyone but it would make some think twice before being nasty online.

Everyone has their own opinion and will not agree with everyone else but sometimes you just have to agree to disagree rather than continuing to attack someone for their different perspective/opinion.

I'm rambling now so I'll shut up lol.
 
I did not like how this article often insinuated that relationships formed online are not meaningful and true. It didn't say relationships formed online cannot be meaningful and true, but it did kind of hint that they generally are not.

(Though I agree with you) I think it was coming from the standpoint of, it's easier to have relationships online that you aren't so attached to that you can't cut your ties to them. Like where it talks about it being easier to be nasty because you can leave the community with no real repercussions to your life, which isn't as easy with people you know in real life. 🙂

zobothehobo said:
I think it is easier to be mean and hurtful on the internet, but I think this article did kind of look over the fact that people are mean and hurtful in the physical world too.

Agreed, but I think the article is focusing on the internet and that's why they've not talked about that. 🙂

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I thought that was really unfair. 1. because who knows what people were 'trained' (better word: taught) to behave on the internet? I was. We were taught proper internet communication in our typing class in 7th grade. We were taught in what context it's ok to use "text talk," we were taught how to be careful of our diction, we were taught different accepted ways of indicating sarcasm ([scarcasm]whatever you wanted to say[/sarcasm], *sarcasm* whatever you wanted to say *sarcasm*, *sarcasm* whatever you wanted to say *endsarcasm*, etc). 2. because if you're mean to someone, it is your fault. I'm not saying that to be mean... but if you slip and say something hurtful, it's not the internet's fault. Because the internet wasn't mean. You were. It's the same as in the physical world. If you're mean to someone, it's not the situation's fault. It's yours.

I agree with you - giving people a blanket pass is kind of fail. A better paragraph for that article would have been if you slip up, apologize for it, and then move on. I also think it's interesting that you were taught netiquette - I don't think that's the experience of most people. 🙂
 
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Yeah... it was the first year they did it at my school as a trial thing and they loved it so they kept it. I was really glad to have that be part of the curriculum.
I don't really have anything to add to what's been said. I've been driven out of two prior forums by nastiness (most of it politically related). I've used my experience on message boards, though, to become (I hope) a nicer person both on the Internet and in person. One key (especially in Internet postings) is not to get angry. Remember that the person you are debating with feels just as strongly about their position as you do. Try to have some compassion and understanding for where they are coming from. It doesn't mean you have to agree - but step back for a moment and understand their point of view.
 
As a member of the psych community who primarily works with children and teens, I've been very interested in the concept of cyber bullying. The anonymity that the Internet provides, be it false or not, and general lack of education on how to treat others online combine to create a bully friendly environment. It's so much easier to not think about how the things I type impact the person reading them without the normal social cues I learned to use to gauge the flow of a conversation. I find it much more challenging to be as empathetic as I normally am in an online environment. I hope that we are going to do a much better job in the future teaching kids about "netiquette." When I was growing up, the online community was just starting to form and has grown faster than anyone could've imagined. Okay, enough rambling! I attended a conference on cyber bullying a little over a year ago and it was fantastic. You can find resources online at www.cyberbullying.us and you can follow the research team on twitter @onlinebullying 🙂 I am so proud to be part of an online community that is making a real effort to be nice online!
 
I think there's a bunch of different reasons, most has already been brought up in this thread.

But mostly I agree with Dagenspear, internet isn't that much different from the real world.
There are lots of people that just don't care, especially about people they don't know and will probably never meet. And since internet is filled with people you will never meet they can go on like never before.
Not sure what to do with people like that. Unfortunately I guess that a week like this won't help much. Personally I just ignore them, on internet, and in real life. It works for me but I know others have a hard time with that.

But we also have these constant missunderstandings that causes so many problems.
You don't get as many missunderstanding in real life, when you do, they are usually cleared up quickly by just a look or quick huh?

I've seen many, that even if they usually are extremely nice, can write the most horrid things when they gets upset. And so often there wasn't even a reason to be upset in the first place.
I love the "Ask before you attack" userbar that Darla posted in the banner thread. Personally I think that lots of the badmouthing and other crappy stuff that goes on all over the internet could be prevented if you just ask, what do you mean? first.

/SK
 
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Wonderful article. But in my humble opinion, there's no reason why anybody should be negative on the internet period. I'm not going to try to dig deep into the psychology of it, or the source of the negativity, because it's completely irrelevant. There's a numerous amount of days that I've been through hell and back, but do I come on here and bad mouth and judge? No. Why? Because it's a waste of time attacking people who you don't even know. Negativity is not even understandable in the real world. Life will definitely throw you some toads, but blowing things up will only make matters worse. You just dust your shoulders off and keep it moving. Smile, laugh about it, and get back on track. My life's been pretty screwed but do you see me complaining? 😀 I swear I will never understand people like that. It's doesn't even matter if they have a reason for it. Take it up with a punching bag.
 
It's all about the ripple effect.

If you throw a stone into the water, see how it ripples? Throwing stones figuratively online does that too. If one person is negative, it's going to make a a couple people less likely to be nice... and if they aren't nice, it'll make more people less likely to be nice... and so on.

The internet is so big that the ripple effect can reach to so many people! Look at some of the posts on tumblr- the number of notes! It's pretty incredible. If one of those things carries a bad or hurtful message, it can damage so many lives.

That said... the internet gets such a bad rap. I think people are either getting little training or literally negative training about the internet. I'm not saying that's everyone. Zo's training sounds good... but when ever I step foot in a computer class, they literally teach the internet to be this horrible place. They only show you the bad that can happen. Even today, we had to watch a video about how you should "watch out" for people online... but the subtext was effectively, "don't try to date or make friends online; everyone is nasty and likely is also a conman living in Ghana."

Warning people the internet can be harmful is one thing... it's very true... but if you teach people to keep their emotions out of everything, that is setting them up to be mean. You have to have empathy when you post online. To let internet communication be it's fullest experience, you must let your guard down. I'm not saying tell people where you live, or your last name- that can be really stupid. But you need to put yourself into it, or you'll just be a brick wall with opinions, or worse, you'll be mean about it. Does that make sense?

I just think that the internet is such a good thing, and people need to treat it like such. It has a bad face- so does life. But without the internet, my parents wouldn't be married... my brother Vance wouldn't exist... I wouldn't be happy... actually, I'd probably be dead. We need to teach internet positivity as much, if not more, than we teach internet safety.

That's all. 🙂
 
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Wonderful article. But in my humble opinion, there's no reason why anybody should be negative on the internet period. I'm not going to try to dig deep into the psychology of it, or the source of the negativity, because it's completely irrelevant. There's a numerous amount of days that I've been through hell and back, but do I come on here and bad mouth and judge? No. Why? Because it's a waste of time attacking people who you don't even know. Negativity is not even understandable in the real world. Life will definitely throw you some toads, but blowing things up will only make matters worse. You just dust your shoulders off and keep it moving. Smile, laugh about it, and get back on track. My life's been pretty screwed but do you see me complaining? 😀 I swear I will never understand people like that. It's doesn't even matter if they have a reason for it. Take it up with a punching bag.
Some people don't enjoy physically taking their aggression out.

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And I feel like you're hiding your agressive undertone behind a statement of passifity. People need to speak their mind, and not hide how they feel, because all that does is cause far worse pain than simple words.

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Besides, actions cause REAL pain, not words.
 
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Words can cause real pain too.
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so are you saying theres no such thing as emotional abuse? words can be extremely damaging.
Short, good article, Darla. For those who'd like to read more, the book it refers to (S. Turkle: "Alone Together") is good. I borrowed it from one of my lecturers before the holidays and will recommend that my school library buys it.

And I feel like you're hiding your agressive undertone behind a statement of passifity. People need to speak their mind, and not hide how they feel, because all that does is cause far worse pain than simple words.

To speak honestly of emotions is important, but so is the way we speak of our emotions. It is wholly possible to have good, open and deep personal conversations as long as we all are careful to speak of our own emotions rather than to speak about the other person. "I feel like you say I'm stupid when you write 'XXX'" has a very different tone than "Why the f**k do you call me stupid?"
 
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"I" statements!
I think it also has a lot to do with a power balance, people in a position of power, for example someone who has been on a forum for many years, or has made lots of posts can often end up feeling superior, or on a higher playing field than those that have not.

Happy to note that this does not appear to be in effect here.
 
Short, good article, Darla. For those who'd like to read more, the book it refers to (S. Turkle: "Alone Together") is good. I borrowed it from one of my lecturers before the holidays and will recommend that my school library buys it.



To speak honestly of emotions is important, but so is the way we speak of our emotions. It is wholly possible to have good, open and deep personal conversations as long as we all are careful to speak of our own emotions rather than to speak about the other person. "I feel like you say I'm stupid when you write 'XXX'" has a very different tone than "Why the f**k do you call me stupid?"

Totally agree, talking from a "I feel"-perspective instead of a "you did"-one can make a huge difference. 🙂

Also, great article!
 
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Good article.

I think a big part of people treating others poorly on the internet is that they know for the most part their aren't any real consequences for the behavior. Sure people may bet banned from a particular website but in term of consequences that isn't much, especially when you act poorly in real life you risk being suspended from school, grounding from parents, retaliation, lawsuits etc.

I personally think that children and teens should be taught to show the same respect and kindness to people on the internet that they are taught to show in real life.
 
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