Why does everyone hate the idea of a Buffy reboot?

Skanky Vamp

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When 20th Century Fox announced their upcoming reboot of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, it was the news fans of the beloved supernatural drama series had been dreading (though it’s now at least supposed to be more of a sequel). Sure, we knew it was a possibility. Rumors of a Buffy remake have made the rounds before, and reboots of ’90s shows have been popping up left, right, and center recently, from Roseanne to the X-Files and Roswell. TV networks and streaming services seem to be milking the nostalgia factor ‘til every last drop, but we still hoped this would be one franchise the industry would leave be.

When Buffy aired the first time around in the U.K., it was a huge hit for BBC2, and although, at 10 years old, I wasn’t mature enough to get 50% of the references, I loved it anyway. I still remember how shocked my dad was that they featured a lesbian character—not that he wan’t happy; it just wasn’t done on mainstream TV at the time (just look at the furor Ellen Degeneres suffered through for coming out in the ’90s). But that was what made Buffy such a TV pioneer: It was willing to go places other shows weren’t.

Buffy proved that teen shows could be smart and funny, paving the way for future classics like Veronica Mars and Orphan Black, but most importantly, by subverting one of Hollywood’s most ingrained tropes. It bought in a new kind of feminist action hero, changing the pop cultural landscape forever. The hot blonde, who’s usually the first to go in any ’80s slasher flick, fought back, and she kept on fighting for seven years of screen time, all while addressing standard teen girl issues such as sexuality, high school politics, and relationships. The show’s action sequences attracted a diverse fanbase, both male and female, while simultaneously appealing to both younger and more mature viewers.

Don’t get me wrong; Buffy wasn’t perfect. Like most ’90s shows, it doesn’t get a gold star for diversity, and the show was an early example of the “bury your gays” trope. (We’re still mad about Tara). And don’t even get me started on the misogynistic d-bag that is Xander Harris in the later seasons, or the issues with the “my vagina made my boyfriend evil” storyline in season two. Still, even though other reboots from the era, such as Charmed and Sabrina the Teenage Witch (which have their own issues), have also been met with skepticism from fans, this was nothing compared to the tantrums (my own included) thrown over resurrecting Buffy.

But why? (Well, some of them are just racist, but that’s its own conversation.) Part of the reason Buffy has such a huge cult following is that much of the show still feels relevant. Although some elements haven’t aged well (it did premiere over two decades ago), the backlash against the upcoming reboot was swift and painful because many of us don’t want to see such groundbreaking characters and storylines repurposed. We want new ones that dissect the age we live in.

Let’s not forget that the Buffyverse has already been expanded upon in both the TV spinoff Angel and the Dark Horse comic book series written by creator Joss Whedon. With such an extensive storyline already in place, it would make more sense to explore existing characters instead, rather than rewriting them. However, showrunners have left it too late for this option. When the series wrapped up in 2003, there were many potential spinoffs fans would have loved—including a series focusing on Giles and another on Faith—that would have likely gone down much better, but the actors, and the world, have moved on.

Some black fans were also unimpressed by the idea of casting a black actress as a new Buffy Summers. Even though it’s great that networks are embracing diversity, it’s not as powerful a statement as creating a new black heroine with her own storyline—especially as Monica Owusu-Breen, who has previously worked on Alias and Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D, has been hired to write the reboot. She’s clearly talented enough to come up with something new and exciting, so why not let her?

AsCandice Fredrick says in her Slash Film piece “Talent of Color Do Not Need White TV Show and Film Hand-Me-Downs,” it’s not enough to just put a black actress on screen for the sake of representation. “It’s about the opportunity for an actor or actress of color to be able to stand on their own merit and not in the shadows of their white predecessor.” Fredrick explains, “It’s about the importance of highlighting original stories by and featuring talent of color—without presenting it through a white gaze.”

After the backlash, Owusu-Breen has come forward to clarify the showrunners’ position. Well, sort of. In a tweet, Owusu-Breen seemed to hint that the reboot was actually a sequel, calling the show “[her] Star Wars.” Fans seemed to have reacted more favorably to a new slayer, rather than recycling the original, but as The Mary Sue’s Princess Weekes points out, it’s still not as good as a new franchise with a black female protagonist; there will always be comparisons.

Nevertheless, Owusu-Breen promises that the reboot will be relevant to modern audiences, while maintaining the integrity of the original: “Here we are, 20 years later … and the world seems a lot scarier. So maybe, it could be time to meet a new Slayer … And that’s all I can say.”

Although the decision to have Owusu-Breen helm the project is promising, there’s still Joss Whedon himself to contend with. Once lauded as a champion for women in Hollywood, in recent years, Whedon’s work has come under criticism from those who loved his dynamic early projects. Several troubling themes have been picked up on by fans, such as his penchant for creating skinny white women with bodily strength but emotional issues, along with suggestions that the writer/director has failed to keep with the changing times.

His feminist image was further destroyed last year by a blog post written by his ex-wife Kai Cole, in which she described the director as a “Hypocrite Preaching Feminist Ideals.” However, many fans stuck by the director, pointing out that having affairs (although morally questionable) doesn’t make someone a bad feminist, whereas others have criticized Whedon for using his industry status as an opportunity to get young female employees into bed.

Then there were the rumors surrounding his treatment of actress Charisma Carpenter, who played Cordelia Chase on Buffy and later Angel. When Carpenter became pregnant during the fourth season of Angel, Whedon essentially wrote her out via a highly criticized coma storyline, eventually killing her character off without informing Carpenter beforehand. But the final nail in the coffin was Whedon’s dubious Wonder Woman script that leaked online last June, which overly-sexualizes and demeans Diana/Wonder Woman, all while making her love interest Steve Trevor into a cliché male hero who “teaches her to be human” (and is a chronic mansplainer).

Not to mention, there’s plenty of “bitches” and “whores” thrown into the dialogue for good measure, and of course, a skimpy costume. At the time, fans were still salty about Whedon’s offensive treatment of Black Widow in 2015’s Avengers: Age of Ultron (still are, actually), in which the character describes herself as a “monster,” comparative to the Hulk, for being infertile. The new Buffy may be the work of female talent, but it will forever be overshadowed by the worrying reputation of the man who created its universe.

Since the pilot for the reboot is still far away, with Fox Television Group CEO Gary Newman saying there isn’t even a script yet, some fans have concluded that this vagueness surrounding the reboot is all a ploy to test viewer reaction. Hopefully, the network will take the criticism onboard, and then, at least, we might get a contemporary slayer adventure the next generation can enjoy, even if it makes bittersweet viewing for us oldies.
 
I'm currently hopeful, though I try not to be. Hollywood has horribly messed these up with lazy writing and poor characters (and then blame their bad, lazy hack writing on social forces outside of themselves for why it's not liked) for me to dare to hope too much as I'd rather be pleasantly surprised than harshly disappointed. Though I have a reason to think this one MIGHT be better (there are rare exceptions to the terrible out there), I don't want to get my hopes up too high.
 
SJWs seem to be trying to make the negative fan reaction surrounding the reboot be about race, when in fact it's about fans not wanting a beloved character to be recast all so the creators can pat themselves on the back and go "look how diverse we are". It's telling that as soon as it was clarified that the original characters weren't being recast, then fan reaction became a lot more favourable towards the idea of the reboot/sequel.
 
Because alt righters like to complain about SJWs and unnecessary diversity. Mostly, they just like to complain. And they make a lot of noise. I am sure there are many like me who are excited, but because we know so little, there is little for us to make noise about.
 
On a basic level I don't like the idea of a true reboot because it would mean to me that established canon and the original series would be retconned. I would really prefer a new series set in the same verse instead. That's really my only concern: they should find a space in the existing verse for the new series, which might enable possible opportunities to have guest appearances from the old show or cross-over stories, while preserving the integrity of the original show.
 
HowiMetdaSlayer
HowiMetdaSlayer
Obviously I feel the opposite (canon's been pretty much ruined, so like the idea of a reboot)
Well, not all of us agrees with the writers about the ”problems” of the original show and maybe some people worry that a show now will sacrifice a good story for PC-ness and protected status for minority groups. Diversity never seems to be good enough anyway these days, just a way to point out how media is failing in a different way and to get to be outraged about something else.

That said, I still don’t hate the idea of a reboot. I just doubt, being that I don’t like much modern tv, that it’ll be something I’m interested in.

More importantly - Orphan Black is considered a teen show?


Because alt righters like to complain about SJWs and unnecessary diversity. Mostly, they just like to complain. And they make a lot of noise..

And to call everyone who disagrees ”alt-righters” ^^ is just as ridiculous as pretending that SJWs don’t make just as much noise (even Anita Sarkeesian expressed dislike for the idea, and if she’s not an SJW I don’t know who is), and to ignore that people can complain without coming from a political perspective.
 
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HowiMetdaSlayer
HowiMetdaSlayer
really? cuz modern tv is pretty frakkin awesome
There's a lot of rubbish in that post.
the show was an early example of the “bury your gays” trope.
One gay character died, 3 were still alive at the end. Sunnydale was quite a dangerous place and being gay surprisingly enough didn't work as a shield.
And don’t even get me started on the misogynistic d-bag that is Xander Harris in the later seasons
Utter rubbish.
At the time, fans were still salty about Whedon’s offensive treatment of Black Widow in 2015’s Avengers: Age of Ultron (still are, actually), in which the character describes herself as a “monster,” comparative to the Hulk, for being infertile.
This didn't happen either. She described herself as a monster because she was forcibly trained to be one.
 
And to call everyone who disagrees ”alt-righters” ^^ is just as ridiculous as pretending that SJWs don’t make just as much noise (even Anita Sarkeesian expressed dislike for the idea, and if she’s not an SJW I don’t know who is), and to ignore that people can complain without coming from a political perspective.
I was just adapting to the discourse of diametrically opposed categories of people that had already been established. And the belief that an opinion can be unpolitical is itself a political bias born of privilige, though I realise that may be my SJW-bias speaking. Oh nos! I've created a logical loop. 😱
 
I'm always amazed how the alt-right can swing from being a few disgruntled voices to being legion, and many. Eh, Buffy really doesn't have a good reason to be remade. The original series was pretty good, it's SFX were fine, it's actors were acceptable, and it's writing was good. It also got seven seasons. It's also not going reboot easily, as we already know a lot of the original cast can't come back, just due to age. It also has a Comic EU, which, has been of mixed reception, sure, still shouldn't be dropped without a good cause. There's also that nagging suspicion, that this remake will have limited involvement from Mutant Enemy.
 
To paraphrase Diderot, the blogospheres (and internet in general) will never be free until the last alt-right bigot is strangled with the entrails of the last SJW.

Need to come up with a new term, there. "Social justice warrior" is not an insult. Social justice is a good thing.

I kind of like the terms "Alt-Right" and "Ctrl-Left" to refer to the extremists on both ends.
 
Skanky Vamp
Skanky Vamp
I prefer Ctrl+Alt+Del
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thrasherpix
Ctrl-Left, I love it! If one could just DEL both sides
HowiMetdaSlayer
HowiMetdaSlayer
alt+rt+del - so using that sometime ;)
For myself, I am annoyed that barely any effort goes into bringing something new. Reboots, re-imaginings, retreads are just so lazy. Almost all of the best TV series that I have watched are original (not even adaptions). Which is not say that reboots cannot be good. House of Cards seasons 1-2 were great. Not surprisingly it collapsed when it stopped following the BBC series blueprint.
 
I was just adapting to the discourse of diametrically opposed categories of people that had already been established. And the belief that an opinion can be unpolitical is itself a political bias born of privilige, though I realise that may be my SJW-bias speaking. Oh nos! I've created a logical loop. 😱

I was going to say, "You are so full of crap, it boggles the mind." But that might be construed as a personal attack, so I won't say it. 😛
 
I was going to say, "You are so full of crap, it boggles the mind." But that might be construed as a personal attack, so I won't say it. 😛
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Other perspectives may be valid.
 
If there is a black Slayer then probably she is a third Slayer called forth after Buffy died the second time in season 5 that you all forgot about. Buffy may need them taking on Satan and destroying all evil for good while the same is done in real life putting an end to such TV & film. Then creativity of the arts & Crafts will shine with original works so people hiding can remain hidden and see how it is done.
 
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