Why everyone hates this season

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@Btvs fan : well, I agree about Glory....

But The Mayor and W&H are actually good examples of enemies that the good guys don't tangle with directly but instead have to investigate, adapt, plan and foil their schemes.
The Mayor was a mystery that actually worked (and his long term plans were actually the best realized of BtVS) and Angel could never truly come to grips with and defeat W&H, he could only foil them temporarily, even when they tried to subvert and corrupt him.
 
Personally I never hated it! I actually thought it was the most farcical, but not in a bad way - it acted as the bridge between the late 90s- teen/horror flick parody of seasons 1-3 and the weighty, darker seasons 5-7. There's a couple of bad episodes, with Beer Bad being poor on literally every level from directing to dialogue to message (apart from the scenes foreshadowing of the next episode's 'Woz' breakup), and it saddens me as I quite like the ones that have more of Xander, but Mark Blucas is better than he's given credit for and some of the left-turns which don't work - Maggie Walsh get written out in favour of Adam - weren't the writers' fault.

Curiously the one episode that took a long time to grow on me was Restless: of all the eccentric things in this show having a surreal story like that for a closer really threw me! Mind you I've never had the best taste in stuff...! On rewatches, knowing the heartbreak of s5, the misery of s6 and the odd mood swings (and patchiness) of s7 are coming down the tracks, I've come to like the more light-hearted s4 in its way. And the likes of Wild At Heart and Hush are great.
 
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And yet another example of a sweeping generalization of the inaccurate kind.
 
I've mentioned this before somewhere on the forum, but I like season 4 because it feels out of place. I personally think that's the point. They are no longer in high school, and a lot of people feel adrift once they enter college and adulthood.

Parker is a manipulator who pretends to be a nice guy to sleep with women. This is entirely realistic, and an experience a lot of people have dealt with in their lives. After Buffy spent nearly three years in an on again, off again relationship with Angel, it makes sense that she would delve headlong into something with Parker. After all, there were a lot of things Angel and her could never do, so I think she longed for a more normal relationship. It's just sad that he used her. And I saw a comment where someone said they hated how Buffy asked if she had done anything wrong. Again, realistic. Many people feel that way once they realize the other person isn't interested in having a relationship, and sex is involved.

Personally, I always liked Riley as a love interest for Buffy. He's more down to Earth, but he's still fairly strong and can mostly keep up with Buffy because of it. There is a hint of mystery still involved due to the whole military aspect, at least in the beginning. He even turned his back on the military because he fell in love with Buffy, and because Professor Walsh tried to have her killed. He's turning his back on everything he thought he knew.

Willow and Oz break up, and literally after that, Oz's entire plot is him leaving so he can try and control his werewolf powers. Willow moves on, delves deeper into magic, and ends up falling in love with Tara.

Without his job at the school since it literally blew up, Giles is just kind of there. He's no longer a Watcher, and his apartment kind of becomes a hub for the Scoobies. He feels like Buffy no longer needs him and considers returning to England.

Xander hops around from one job to the next and has a very strange relationship with Anya that I would also say is off again, on again. He's not sure where he fits in and is definitely trying to find himself.

Spike gets implanted with the chip and can't get up to his usual schemes because of it, so in turn, he ends up fighting alongside the Scooby Gang at times, then helps Adam in hopes he can get the chip out.

Basically, the entire season is about the awkwardness of adulthood and trying to find your own path in the world, which I think season 4 does exceptionally well because it often feels disjointed and out of place. This comes to a head near the end of the season when we see the group get into a huge argument - that quite frankly doesn't make much sense - but I think that's also the point. They have all changed, and so the group isn't the same either.

While people dislike The Initiative plot and Adam, I personally think the involvement of the government with supernatural forces makes a lot of sense. After all, the government always meddles in stuff. Unfortunately, I think the idea was just executed poorly. I feel like some of that likely has to do with budget, and if a similar idea was rehashed in a reboot, it might be done better.
 
I don't dislike Four, I enjoyed a lot of the episodes, such as the wonderful Something Blue among others. There was some fantastic humour and the show wasn't taking itself so seriously. It became gloomier later on of course and more self-serious. Not always a bad thing but i liked the light-hearted comic aspect and rapport between the scoobies and Giles.And ofc Spike and the other baddies.The Initiative was kinda dull but Adam had his moments as did the sinister Professor Walsh. I don't dislike Riley, I preferred him to Angel for sure lol.
 
Re: Oz; The sad thing with Oz, if Seth was really unhappy, they had a perfect out for him. A lot of relationships that worked in high school fail in college. You could have written around that, instead of Whorewolf, and gotten a good story out of it. Breaking up with your highschool boyfriend should be a big deal, right?

Re: Spike; Spike is always a delightful character. I just don't think either series knew what to do with him. Tara and Anya have a similar problem. Between Willow and Giles, you don't need either of them. I mean, say what you will about the nerds, but at least they understood character class.
 
Re: Oz; The sad thing with Oz, if Seth was really unhappy, they had a perfect out for him. A lot of relationships that worked in high school fail in college. You could have written around that, instead of Whorewolf, and gotten a good story out of it. Breaking up with your highschool boyfriend should be a big deal, right?

Re: Spike; Spike is always a delightful character. I just don't think either series knew what to do with him. Tara and Anya have a similar problem. Between Willow and Giles, you don't need either of them. I mean, say what you will about the nerds, but at least they understood character class.
growing apart like that is not dramatic enough for the Buffyverse. Hell, Oz and Willow already had little in common so why would they even grow apart
 
A lot of relationships that worked in high school fail in college. You could have written around that, instead of Whorewolf, and gotten a good story out of it. Breaking up with your highschool boyfriend should be a big deal, right?

I think there is a good story about Willow exploring her witch-ness as Oz explores his inner wolf and then they both come to the conclusion they're on different paths and part ways. What we got was that, but severely truncated; Oz explores his woofiness totally offscreen whilst Willow explores Tara witchdom and magic on her own as a way of coping with Oz absence.
I can kinda squint and say 'yeah, this is probably what they were going to do anyway' and can be okay with; coupled with Alyson and Seth's performances that sell it.

I do hate Veruca though, mostly because she's a subpar Faith too soon after the Faith we got; 'giving into the wolf' and 'getting too into the slaying' are really too similar to ignore.
 
hoponlilmama
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The 'sultry' looks from Veruca just make me cringe.
Everyone doesn't hate this season. It usually sits in the middle of most people's list.

Imo, it is the funniest one. A lot of really funny and quirky episodes (even the bad ones). If I want to watch BtVS and just have a good time I usually put on an episode from this season. I quite enjoyed the switch to college and the new setting. The new and returning characters. Wish they had done more/better with Adam, though.

Oh, and it has at least two of the best episodes in the series ('Hush' and 'Restless'). But then, I'm a little biased there because those are my favorites. 😉
 
hoponlilmama
hoponlilmama
I am a fan of season 4!
Re: Veruca; I don't hate the idea of a nihilistic immortal werewolf who lives near a college campus, who could be several decades older than she appears. After all, High School nihilism is a different monster than college nihilism. It's a good concept, if not execution.
 
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