[I][B]thrasherpix[/B][/I] I think you make your case well, and that people who attack you rather than your argument doesn't have a rebuttal. I'm just saying because many who aren't extreme say nothing, so it seems the loudest are the norm when they're an exception.
Thank you. Sadly one of my own friends said I was being awfully homophobic when I said this. She means a lot to me, but sadly she is very rigid when it comes to politics and just will not listen to others, so I don't bother. Good to get it out here though.
You can have issues with certain aspects of the LGBT community that do NOT have anything to do with their lifestyle, same way you can have issues with any community. LGBT folk are people after all and will therefore be prone to the same shitty things as the rest of us, extremists, elitism, cliqueness and tribalism.
Also so many LGBT people should watch as these extremists I don't think are actually extremists for their cause anyway. They are opportunists who don't actually care about broader LGBT acceptance, just in A/ climbing the ladder and using that to get ahead (if they weren't gay it would be something else, IE if they were Scottish like me, they'd make that their thing to talk about in the media.) B/ getting people to join their clique and be under its control, hence why they will come down harder on people who aren't part of their clique than ACTUAL homophobes who they'll happily turn a blind eye too if it is inconvenient to expose them.
Old news for me, but the Gina Carano backlash is the perfect example of all this. She still gets called disgraced by outlets like Pink News and Mary Sue (a word you use for guys like Jimmy Savile.) Simply because she didn't do one thing the LGBT extremists wanted when they had decided she was a queer icon for them, due to again them wanting to **** Gina, and also Gina's own extremely positive history with LGBT people, which is completely airbrushed from history these days.
Go back to 2020 and she was a queer icon, from retweeting a trans girl dressed up as Cara Dune, (the first cosplayer of the character,) going to gay bars with and kissing her lesbian friend Tonya Evinger, who genuinely said she could have got into Gina's panties, to playing bisexual women and sharing onscreen kisses with girls etc.
They thought she was a new Lucy Lawless, IE someone who would do everything they asked, say they were her REAL fans, over the others, and be someone only they were allowed to like. (Also once again negative stereotyping because she was butch, they were already saying Cara Dune was gay.)
Hilariously a lot of these outlets will praise guys with GENUINELY shitty histories with LGBT people. Arnold Schwarzanegger banned gay marriage TWICE, yet The Mary Sue, Rachel Leishman in particular who spent 5 years attacking Gina, praise him and call him a hero. Similarly Pink News as we've been over treat Gina on the level of a child abuser, yet they praise Brad Pitt a man accused of beating his bisexual wife LMAO. However again they don't care about these guys because A/ they are straight white men, so who cares, they don't have that possessive love for them and B/ They are too powerful and it might not be convenient to take them down either.
Meanwhile his history with the community.
Hers. (Hilariously Gina doing this with her lesbian pal was at the SAME TIME as the second time Arnie blocked gay marriage, 2007.)
To be fair it wasn't just or even mostly LGBT extremists that got her axed. I think it was shit libs in general. (NOT to be confused with actual libs or lefties of whom I am one. These are the cliquey elitist types who often just use it as a shallow cover for their own crappiness like Neil Gaiman or Disney themselves.)
Also Kathleen Kennedy ousted Gina and blacklisted her because of her dislike of Jon Favreau getting more control of the brand which he would have with Gina's own show. Kennedy is responsible for 98 percent of Gina being blacklisted.
Also plenty of LGBT people supported Gina and she still has a big following in their community with the head of her fanpage who has done more to support her than ANYONE in the public eye, being an openly gay man, Ash. (He's such a sweet, awesome guy by the way.) So I definitely don't want to create a LGBT people ruined Gina narrative. That's not fair and not true and other LGBT people gave her more help than anyone else.
Still the entitled, cliquey LGBT side do still demonise her name in fandom circles 5 years on, along with the entitled lib side, and yeah getting back to my original point, if Eliza Dushku, or Milly Alcok, or Renee O'Connor, or Katie McGrath or ANY of the women they decide are icons for them didn't agree with their readings of their characters then they'd get EXACTLY the same treatment as Gina from these people (probably not the same industry blackout because Kennedy isn't involved,) and again ironically demonized more than a white straight guy who actually took away gay people's rights for half a decade LOL.
To be fair the right wing side are no better. If a woman doesn't agree with their politics they demonize and try to destroy her too. However again at the very least everybody in the media hates them. They get called incels, dude bros, there are docus about male entitlement. If these guys reacted the way they did to Gina to an actress they crushed on who didn't do something they asked it would rightfully be seen as disgusting, not framed as "she provoked them." As it still is with Gina
Here are Reddit and The Mary Sue singing a VERY different tune about Gina back in 2019 and 2020 btw to back up what I'm saying.
Then when the both the libs and the LGBT extremists asked her to do their little rituals like pronouns and BLM and she politely declined, didn't come out against them, but politely declined. They felt jilted. Like the guy in the pub who gets annoyed with the waitress not going out with him.
Then the response.
So yeah I think this is a fair summary fo what happened and again the sad knock on effect is that now whenever I see an actress suddenly say she played this character as bisexual, gay I think "did you though or are you just terrified of the above happening?"
Shame as like 7 years ago I wouldn't have thought that if Eliza said that about Faith.
