Willow, Vampire Willow and the whole wanna be bad thing?

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I know what Buffy said - vampire's personality has nothing to do with the person it was but hey, it's bullshit, just look at Harmony or *ahem* Spike. So uh...why does Willow want to **** herself? I mean not herself 'cause that would be...well, you know what I mean. Is it some exciting fetish I haven't heard of? Is it meant to be interpreted in a purely metaphorical way, as a struggle with her sexuality, lesbianism and shit? Let's talk about it, it's really interesting, kinda like twincest but mostly not.
 
Yea I'm pretty sure Buffy says that just to comfort Willow. Angel tries to correct her then stops cause I assume he knew that Buffy was just saying it to be nice. I think that we have been shown that vampire's can retain a lot of their old personality or bring forth other aspects that may have been within the person but was not who they were (if that makes sense). So yea I think that Vampire Willow is like a reflection of what Willow could be. There are even some parallels with Dark Willow. "Bored now". The lesbian thing I think was definitely foreshadowing a bit. Not sure about the whole snuggle with yourself thing, but maybe Vampire Willow thinks human Willow is hot. Idk that does sound a bit weird. I guess only twins or other multiples would know what it's like to see yourself as another person.
 
I think it's the vampire's general lack of boundaries when it comes to sex. Of course Vamp Willow is a foreshadowing of Willow realising she's "kinda gay", but the reason Vamp Willow is like she is with Willow is 'cos vampires just seem to like sex of any kind with anyone/anything. The oft-implied intimacies between Spike and Angel (and to a lesser extent Dru and Darla), and Drusilla leaving Spike for a demon are just a couple of examples of vamps and their wide-ranging tastes.

I've never heard of it as a fetish but everyone's got their thing and whilst I can't say it appeals to me, I can see how it could be a fantasy for some.

As for what Buffy says, I think it's made clear in the episode that she's just trying to stop Willow freaking out.
 
I've always thought that the vampire's personality starts out as being pretty much a carbon copy of the host's living self, but without the natural inhibitions the ensouled human would have had (Note Spike's dear, sweet little mother "coming on" to him almost immediately after being turned) If it feels good, they do it, if they want it, they take it. As for sex, incest rape, gender orientation, adult or child, none of that would or anything else mean anything whatsoever to the average vampire, and the linger they exist, the less and less of their host's personality traits remain.

As for Harmony and Spike retaining their mortal personalities, human Harmony and "Angel" Season 5 Harmony DO have personality differences, and comparison between milquetoast William and Spike by the time of "School Hard" in Season 2 "Buffy" results in the classic night and day cliche. (Almost certainly, Vamp William still had most of his human personality when he turned his mother, hence the revulsion at the suggestion of incest. Apparently his mother was an exception to the personality trait retention, unless she was more kinky as a human than William ever knew. Beyond that, probably most of Spike's initial bad ass act was designed more to impress Dru and Angelus than failure to retain his human personality traits)Give Harm another century or two, and I'm sure that we would see the same thing.
 
NY State of Mind said:
I think we'd all hook up with ourselves if we could. You could get a real review 🙂
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that's one side of the argument, the other is that since you know exactly what you like, you'll be perfect for yourself. And presumably quite generous. I don't know how honest the review would be, actually. Of all the people human beings interact with we probably lie most to ourselves, and as I say, one could conceivably be the perfect partner for oneself, which would tend to skew the results anyway.
 
Still a Scoobie said:
that's one side of the argument, the other is that since you know exactly what you like, you'll be perfect for yourself. And presumably quite generous. I don't know how honest the review would be, actually. Of all the people human beings interact with we probably lie most to ourselves, and as I say, one could conceivably be the perfect partner for oneself, which would tend to skew the results anyway.
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But then how could we lie to ourselves if we know we're lying. And well the vamp side might know what they like while the other doesn't. If we're perfect for ourselves why do we usually go for opposites? This is all tricky stuff
 
I don't think that the "doing it with herself" part was what frightened Willow so much as the same sex aspect (totally illogical though that might be) which was possibly the first indication that she was in denial about her true feelings. Vamp Willow was, for all intents and purposes, Willow minus her inhibitions.

If that makes any sense at all.
 
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Good point!
white avenger said:
I don't think that the "doing it with herself" part was what frightened Willow so much as the same sex aspect (totally illogical though that might be) which was possibly the first indication that she was in denial about her true feelings.
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Also, let's not forget that the vampire was not taking no for an answer. Willow's life is just...I can't even come up with anything witty here. Dear diary, today I summoned my vampire doppelgänger and she wanted to rape me.
 
But well, don't know if I'm the only one, but for me every Willow is hot, even the human Willow in her pink sweater or dungarees. No wonder why Vamp Willow was so attracted to her human version 😉
 
I think it was a combination of VampWillow getting off on Willow's sweetness (like Spike seemed to) and VampWillow being a massive narcissist. I guess it probably was foreshadowing her being gay, but I didn't really see it that way at the time since she also had VampXander; I just assumed VampWillow was all free-love. But in hindsight, yeah it probably was.
 
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