Wolves In Friends' Clothing

white avenger

white avenger
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Reading the thread concerning Edmond Blackadder and the events that led to his being banned here reminded me of just how much we take on faith we base the relationships we form on the internet. I can see it from a somewhat different aspect than the majority of the members here, having grown up in a (we believed, at least) much more gentle time, when lost children were safe approaching any adult and knowing that they would help them. When I was a child, old men regularly carried candy and small change to give to any child who they might meet, and no one ever gave it a second thought. My father was a truck driver in a time when men of his profession were regularly referred to as the "Knights Of The Highway," because they would always stop to help troubled motorists or pick up hitchhikers. People met face to face and were assumed to be honest and truthful until proven otherwise. There were a few pen pal friendships or even romances, where the people involved never actually met, but were rare, and almost always completely harmless.

With the advent of the internet, it has become possible to meet, at least figuratively, people from all over the world, to form friendships as real, within their context, as any that were ever formed in the days of my youth, and it is still the norm, at least with me, to assume that the people who we meet are truthful and honest. The time and conversations that I have shared here with people like Kean, Joan The Vampire Slayer, and others have been some of my most pleasant moments, and since retirement, quite often the highlight of my day. Whether we are debating over the mistaken idea that Buffy might, in any reality, belong for even a moment with a loser like Angel, discussing politics or the plight of pit bulldogs, or just passing the time of day, it has always been fun, even on those rare occasions when I felt that the only hope for some individual might actually be intense psychological help, perhaps involving shock therapy and drugs.

But, when you actually think about it, we take far more on faith now than my generation did. There is absolutely nothing about the people who we meet here that, initially at least, we don't take on sheer blind faith. I say that I am a 62 year old man living in Georgia, whereas I might actually be a 25 year old woman living in New York, but most, if not all here simply take me at my word. Usually we're right, but, at least sometimes, we might actually be wrong. (I was totally shocked to learn, quite by accident, that Wishing Oceans was actually a 46 year old English teacher living in Boston, for instance) But we do still take these things on faith.

That is why it is always such a shock and a let down when we find that that faith has been abused, that there are liars and predators who use the anonymity of the internet to take advantage of others, especially younger people. That there are even thieves who would steal our very identities (did I ever mention the time when someone stole my one of my accounts and used it to set up a porn site? True story, I swear) That there are even people who set up late into the night designing computer viruses for no reason whatsoever beyond the sick pleasure of knowing that they are damaging the property of others.

And once more, I have let my rhetoric get far out of control here, blathering on to the point that I have completely lost track of the simple thing that I really wanted to say here, and that is that I am very glad to be here, to enjoy the fellowship that we have, and the trust that we, I hope, still feel in each other, despite the very rare times that our trust and friendship might be betrayed. I may be reluctant to give you my home address, or my credit card number, but my friendship and support are free to anyone who cares to share it, even the poor deluded Bangels. Well, ESPECIALLY the Bangels, because they need it the most. Anyhow, thanks, folks, for indulging me in this somewhat pointless rant, but also for being the bunch of great guys that you've always been. We might not always agree on everything, but then it would be awful boring around here if we were.

And now I have to go and help move furniture into the new grandchild's bedroom. We have to hurry. We've only got until sometime in late July. (Sarcasm dripping from every word as I haul my old carcass up and head out of the room)

Rant over...
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B
Big Damn Hero
Damn straight.
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TheGrandmaster
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Wishing Oceans
Wishing Oceans
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Sweetescape
Sweetescape
well that wasn't a funny joke about WO, not cool.
Professor Walsh
Professor Walsh
Nice post. I belong to the first generation that's been taught to fear strangers. I feel we've lost something important.
Normally I think WA's insane ramblings should be taken with a grain of salt 😛 but on this matter I know from experience that he is spot on.

Don't trust people so easily on the net, God only knows who they are and what you are setting yourself up for.

*sigh* You think we all would have learned from Moloch...
 
B
Big Damn Hero
I r moloch. Worship me. xD
white avenger
white avenger
Hey, now wait a minute. You don't trust me? ME? I am truly crushed. Just for that, I'm gonna tell everybody what you told me about REALLY favoring Spuffy, but just being afraid to admit it after all this time of pretending to be a Bangel fanatic.
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StuckinTraffic
This betrayal has just made me.....really sick! And angry! I think I'm more mad for her than I am for me, but then again, he and I weren't friends....maybe that's why, Idk.
I think an important thing to remember is how many people we meet on here that ARE genuine. I'm not saying don't be careful, because you never know, but I think it's important to put this in context of how many people you meet/chat to/argue with 😛 that are genuinely who they say they are and who you form friendships with. Otherwise the whole thing seems pointless, and I don't think it is.
 
Kean
Kean
In light of recent developments I'm feeling like a Negative Nelly! My apologies. You are of course very very very right with this point. :) JUST A SMALL TOWN GIRL!!!
And once more, I have let my rhetoric get far out of control here, blathering on to the point that I have completely lost track of the simple thing that I really wanted to say here, and that is that I am very glad to be here, to enjoy the fellowship that we have, and the trust that we, I hope, still feel in each other, despite the very rare times that our trust and friendship might be betrayed. I may be reluctant to give you my home address, or my credit card number, but my friendship and support are free to anyone who cares to share it, even the poor deluded Bangels. Well, ESPECIALLY the Bangels, because they need it the most. Anyhow, thanks, folks, for indulging me in this somewhat pointless rant, but also for being the bunch of great guys that you've always been. We might not always agree on everything, but then it would be awful boring around here if we were.

WA, thank for you writing this. I am very happy we know each other, too. 🙂
I love talking with you, and I definitely consider you to be one of my favorite people on here.

I completely agree! While we all need to be careful, we should also trust each other to a certain extent. I mean, otherwise we could be missing out on potentially great friendships. I'm comfortable with giving people and my first name, and the city I live in...but I stop there. A few of you are friends with me on my FB, which also has my phone number.

My friend had her identity stolen. It was a huge issue for her; she had to hire an attorney, and it was all a big expensive hassle. Please, no one give their address to anyone on here.

I love all of you, too! I love coming on here and chatting with all of you and hearing what you all have to say regarding these shows we all love so much.
 
white avenger
white avenger
Luckily, when I had my problem, I was able to call AOL and get it straightened out simply by changing my password, but there are some who aren't that lucky.
The internet is a strange place. I've always been very wary of talking to people or sharing information. I've closed my facebook account I don't know how many times, heck, I've left here a few times as well. I always seem to think I cross the line into people knowing too much about me, and then I go running, but that's true to me in real life as well. I think I have trust issues, but that's not for me to talk about here, I'll watch some Oprah, I'll be good. 😀
The recent reveal that someone I shared personal information with was someone entirely different was a shock to the system and would normally have me running again, but not everyone is like that.
It's true that the people we talk to on here might be showing a false version of themselves, but there's also the great chance that they are not. I think it's worth the risk, because If I am in fact talking to the "real deal" people on here, then that makes me very happy, because I'm talking to some truly kind, sweet, caring, funny and creative people on here and I am quite happy to be in their company.
Just don't ask me for my credit card details. 😉
 
Can I just ask? Who in RL asks for people's credit card details anyway? lol I'd be wary of giving them to my sister never mind someone I know from a forum!
 
Can I just ask? Who in RL asks for people's credit card details anyway? lol I'd be wary of giving them to my sister never mind someone I know from a forum!

I said that I would be reluctant to let YOU (as in, anyone, not you individually) my credit card number, but if I were to believe some of the messages that I get on a regular basis at BOTH of my email addresses, I have turned down literally millions of dollars in cash from people all over the world who want to transfer it into my bank account, just so that some evil dictator won't seize it, or so that they can legally get it into the country, or because I have been found to be the beneficiary of some insurance policy from someone who I befriended years ago, but apparently can't remember anymore, or... Well, I'm sure that you get the idea. All that they need is an account number where they can transfer all the money. If I were just a little bit more trusting, I could be driving a new Ferrari today instead of a 20 year old Nissan.
 
Nix
Nix
lmao I get loads of those too ;)
BuffyElevated
BuffyElevated
LOL Those emails make me laugh... To think that people are actually stupid enough to fall for that crap!
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StuckinTraffic
I wish I got emails about money! Mine are all about Viagra and male enhancement! Hmph!
I agree with everything you said, WA. I've made friends on this board that I consider to be very real, true friends, and when I found out about Al, it was really and truthfully hurtful to me. After that incident I paired about 200 people off my Facebook friends list. Some of them got mad, and when I explained why I did it, some understood and some were still really mad. Oh well.
As a woman, I have a responsibility to myself to keep myself safe from people who would want to take advantage. As a mother, I have an even bigger responsibility to my children to keep them safe and out of harm's way, and sometimes I question whether or not I do a good enough job of that. I love sharing cute pictures as I take them. I'll email them from my iPhone to my Facebook page, and part of me still wonders "What if so-and-so is not who they say and they're using this pics for dirty reasons?" I would NEVER post anything that showed my little girls' skin or anything remotely like that, but you never know. Sometimes a smiling face is enough for the sickos. 🙁
When I was in college, I met a guy at a dance club. I had never met him before, but he asked me to dance and I said yes to be polite. He seemed really sweet, and he was a perfect gentleman while we danced, but I didn't even find out his name, because once the dance was over, my friends and I left and went back to our dorm. At about 1:00 in the morning, I was hanging out watching movies in my friends' room on the floor above ours, and my roommate called me and said "You have to come down here right now... That guy from the club is here!" I was freaking out... I hadn't given him my name, but he had managed to track me down and even find out which dorm room I lived in... And he was knocking on my door telling my roommate I had invited him there. Luckily, the friends I was with were two big guys and they escorted me down to my room and threatened the guy to make him leave. My campus in Missouri was very small... I saw him around a LOT after that, and it freaked me out so much that I alerted the campus police. I'd be in the campus book store and he'd just happen to walk in right after, or I'd be eating in the cafeteria and he'd be sitting two tables over... The guy never came back to my room anymore, but I was always a little jumpy when getting into or out of my car late at night, 'cause our parking was horrible and sometimes I'd have to walk a ways to get back to my room. Anyway, I left college the summer of 2001 and went to work at a summer camp in New York. I was in New York City one weekend, enjoying the sights with some friends. We had gone into the gift shop at Planet Hollywood in Times Square and I looked up and nearly fainted: the guy from my college was IN the shop.
Now, it could have been the world's biggest coincidence. It could have been that he was simply there on vacation and the world was a little smaller than I thought. But in that moment, all I could think was "I have to get away; this guy is insane." I grabbed my friends and told them we had to leave and slipped out the door before he ever saw that I had noticed him. I still to this day don't know if he was there by coincidence or if he had actually followed me. Now that I'm older, the first thing I would have done would have been to alert a security guard and have them arrest him. Even if he wasn't following me, I would rather have been safe than sorry; I spent the whole rest of that trip to the city worried he was following me.
My point is... This guy was clean-cut, very intelligent, and apparently very very disturbed. If I hadn't known better, I would probably have trusted him enough to maybe go on a date or something and God knows what could have happened. He definitely wasn't the type you'd expect to see lurking in the shadows or jumping out of a dark alley to adbuct someone. That right there taught me to leave my guard up until someone proved I could trust them. I used to be the type of person to take everyone at face value, believe everything they told me. Now I'm so cynical I hardly believe anything anymore.
 
Professor Walsh
Professor Walsh
That sounds like a truly frightening experience.
ItMustBeBunnies
ItMustBeBunnies
Awww hon *HUGS*
Wishing Oceans isn’t 12? Not sure if I should feel insulted because I’m lied to, or happy that I don’t have to feel weird reading ”her”(or he, who knows) discuss the bathroom scene in Seeing Red.

And HisMrs, I feel for you sweetie. I meet a guy at my university library a few weeks ago, and we talked, and he seemed perfectly normal, and I told him I live alone, and what my last name was (I know, dumb) and he said he was going straight to his hostel in a while after finishing studying, but when I left, he followed, and later my doorbell rang. I didn't open, just called the police after he left, and I haven't seen him since, but brrr, it still haunts me.
 
Wishing Oceans
Wishing Oceans
I'm twelve, WA was just joking. :)
BuffyElevated
BuffyElevated
Oh my God.... WOW, how scary!! I'm so glad you called the police!
I totally agree with what you've said but HUH Wishing Oceans isn't 12?.....that's kinda weirded me out...a lot.
 
Wishing Oceans
Wishing Oceans
GUYS! I'm twelve, WA was just joking!
Guys, just so you know I am twelve years old, I swear. WA was just joking. 😀 And yes, I AM a student, and I DON'T live in Boston. 😀

(And yes, I am a "young lady", but my style of posting should make that evident. 😀 )

As for Facebook, I do have one, and unfortunately I'm not very picky about who I'm friends with. But, of course, I've blocked Al, and I'm thinking of removing some of my friends that I haven't actually met, which, actually, is a lot of people, lol. 😀

As for internet safety, I agree. I have a habit to be pretty trusting on the internet, because I feel pretty comfortable. BUT, especially considering my young age that WA was poking fun at 😀 , I really should be more careful, and this is a perfect example as to why.

Wow, some of your guys' experiences are scary! I've actually never had anything like that happen to me. Mostly because you'll rarely find me alone (outside, anyway), I always stay with either an adult or a friend, and people aren't know to follow groups. 🙂

So guys, just remember, you make think it's just another sheep on the other side of the screen, but it could just as easily be a wolf. 🙂
 
white avenger
white avenger
It's just good natured fun, sweet. Everybody here knows what a big liar I really am. If you don't believe it, just ask Kean sometime.
BuffyElevated
BuffyElevated
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Okay. Then the Spuffy season 6 discussions are still making me uncomfortable. 😀 Not that I was that much more protected at that age either. I was terrified of rape since before I was ten (which I guess is a good thing, but still).
 
Okay. Then the Spuffy season 6 discussions are still making me uncomfortable. 😀 Not that I was that much more protected at that age either. I was terrified of rape since before I was ten (which I guess is a good thing, but still).

Haha, don't worry, after hearing about that Al incident I was thinking about changing my BB age to 54 and taking on the name "Grandma Betty", lol. 😀
 
Just to clarify something here, since anyone thought that I was serious about Wishing Oceans being a 46 year old English teacher from Boston, that was just my poor attempt at humor. As far as I know, she is exactly what she says that she is. Of course, once i get the P I's report back, I will be be able to give you a more accurate assessment of the situation...
 
Just to clarify something here, since anyone thought that I was serious about Wishing Oceans being a 46 year old English teacher from Boston, that was just my poor attempt at humor. As far as I know, she is exactly what she says that she is. Of course, once i get the P I's report back, I will be be able to give you a more accurate assessment of the situation...

Yep, I am, pinky swear. 🙂 Wait... Who's P I? 😀
 
My point is... This guy was clean-cut, very intelligent, and apparently very very disturbed. If I hadn't known better, I would probably have trusted him enough to maybe go on a date or something and God knows what could have happened. He definitely wasn't the type you'd expect to see lurking in the shadows or jumping out of a dark alley to adbuct someone. That right there taught me to leave my guard up until someone proved I could trust them. I used to be the type of person to take everyone at face value, believe everything they told me. Now I'm so cynical I hardly believe anything anymore.
That sounds horrible, Britt! What a weirdo.

Speaking of clean-cut intelligent lunatics, I'm reading a book right now called The Stranger Beside Me about Ted Bundy, who was a serial killer. He was this really good-looking guy who lured girls to his car by lying about needing "help", and then he'd kidnap them. They were never seen again. He killed over 35 girls that way. All the witnesses said he was really charming and nice and they "trusted" him right away. It's so scary to think that could happen to anyone. He was caught eventually, and he got the electric chair.

It's interesting because I'm also very cynical, but I'm also very trusting at times. I want to be trusting. I want to think the best about people, you know? On one hand, I hate how paranoid people are nowadays, but on the other hand I understand why that's necessary.

A few months ago, I met a guy at a bar. We chatted for a while, had a drink, that was about it. For some stupid reason, I gave him my number. I never expected to see him again. The next day, I woke up and checked my phone and there were 14 missed calls from the same number. I ignored him, but he kept texting me really inappropriate and angry texts for days. I had to call my phone company and get his number blocked. It was a huge hassle. I saw him recently at the same bar (my favorite) and he totally came up to me and was like, "Why haven't you called? I thought we had a connection. Are you blowing me off?" He totally weirded me out. Thankfully, the bartender knows me and asked him to leave. but the moral of the story is that you seriously need to be careful about giving people any sort of personal information about yourself. I never tell anyone I meet what neighborhood I live in, or where I work. You just never know...
 
I'm quite the opposite. lol On the internet, I feel totally comfortable talking to people and I've made many friends. In RL, not so much. I don't meet up with strangers from the internet or anything like that, but I do have many friends I really do trust.

For some reason I have such an issue offline. A few months ago, I went out with my friends. This guy offered me a drink and I said no, but he got one for me anyway. (I'm underage so it was soda.) But, even then I refused to drink it. lol My friend told me I was being stupid because it wasn't like he put anything in it, but for some reason I just didn't feel comfortable with it.

But, then again, I am picky with who I become 'friends' with online. The people I do consider friends I've known them for about three years now (since I got the internet) They have my cell number to text me... of course it's only texting, which they respect.

I guess I'm just lucky not to have ran into any sickos. lol
 
K
Kelsey
No, that's good about you not accepting drinks! I'm glad you have that instinct. Unfortunately you have to be cautious with that kind of thing.
BuffyElevated
BuffyElevated
I'm glad you didn't drink that drink...
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Skytteflickan88
No means No. That includes getting drinks. You have no idea if he put anything in it or not, and neither did your friends. Good on you for not giving in to peer pressure.
A few months ago, I met a guy at a bar. We chatted for a while, had a drink, that was about it. For some stupid reason, I gave him my number. I never expected to see him again. The next day, I woke up and checked my phone and there were 14 missed calls from the same number. I ignored him, but he kept texting me really inappropriate and angry texts for days. I had to call my phone company and get his number blocked. It was a huge hassle. I saw him recently at the same bar (my favorite) and he totally came up to me and was like, "Why haven't you called? I thought we had a connection. Are you blowing me off?" He totally weirded me out. Thankfully, the bartender knows me and asked him to leave. but the moral of the story is that you seriously need to be careful about giving people any sort of personal information about yourself. I never tell anyone I meet what neighborhood I live in, or where I work. You just never know...

You should hear some of the stories that women tell us when they come in for our free monthly women's self defense course. Some of them are really bad. Without betraying any trusts or going into any specific details, your experience wasn't all that rare. Usually, the guy turns out to be just obnoxious and very aggressive, but the rare one who REALLY IS bad makes up for all of the relatively harmless ones.
 
A few months ago, I met a guy at a bar. We chatted for a while, had a drink, that was about it. For some stupid reason, I gave him my number. I never expected to see him again. The next day, I woke up and checked my phone and there were 14 missed calls from the same number. I ignored him, but he kept texting me really inappropriate and angry texts for days. I had to call my phone company and get his number blocked. It was a huge hassle. I saw him recently at the same bar (my favorite) and he totally came up to me and was like, "Why haven't you called? I thought we had a connection. Are you blowing me off?" He totally weirded me out. Thankfully, the bartender knows me and asked him to leave. but the moral of the story is that you seriously need to be careful about giving people any sort of personal information about yourself. I never tell anyone I meet what neighborhood I live in, or where I work. You just never know...


Wow... So glad you know the bartender and they have your back in there!! Hopefully you'll never see/hear from this guy again!!
 
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