Wonder Woman Speculation

Yeah I agree, the concept of masculinity is in the grey at the moment. Im what could be called quite feminine; I like art, I'm sensitive, I'm caring and I say "hehe" (which is apparently feminine, "haha" is masculine so I've been told). But I also have masculine quirks; I play basketball, I can be stubborn and argumentative and I am lazy at times. But yeah this is all off topic really.

Speaking of WW and femininity, the costume is being changed isn't it? As that could be said to be anti-feminist (male gaze theory and all that). The politics of women in star spangled pants. Could make an essay out of that 😉
 
Xander said:
Speaking of WW and femininity, the costume is being changed isn't it? As that could be said to be anti-feminist (male gaze theory and all that). The politics of women in star spangled pants. Could make an essay out of that 😉
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I've heard she may look more like she has in more recent comic renderings"”kinda like Xena, but still with the red gold and blue. She started with a skirt at at the beginning.

Women and dress is interesting. I think women's dress is perceived as more critically important by the culture"”more critically important to their identity. Some dress very scantily and proclaim empowerment. Never quite figured that one out. On the other hand, business women's pant suits never seem quite right to me either"”just not pleasing to the eye. I know that's not the point...they're trying to project competence, authority. Men have it pretty easy as far as fashion goes. So little is expected, required of us really. I do feel different in a sharp-looking suit (a rare occasion, heh).

Superheroes' costumes seem to be critically important to the fanboys, maybe more than just fidelity to the source material, not sure. Something about the symbolism.
 
goldenboy said:
Women and dress is interesting. I think women's dress is perceived as more critically important by the culture—more critically important to their identity. Some dress very scantily and proclaim empowerment. Never quite figured that one out. On the other hand, business women's pant suits never seem quite right to me either—just not pleasing to the eye. I know that's not the point...they're trying to project competence, authority.
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Just reminds me of Ally McBeal, the way she claimed the short skirts were to show her enpowerment. It kinda works on both level, yes it can be used to get what you want but it can also be seen as relying upon men's hormones too much.

Speaking of feminism. Was helping another Woolworths change over their layout today and was on stationary, which im normally not. There was a range of folders, pencil cases etc of cartoon women with huge breasts and saying things like "Here to steal your boyfriend". I was like "Geez guys, shoot feminism in its foot why don't you?".
 
I think there's an odd situation in the culture now. Almost the reverse of trends, attitudes from maybe 30-40 years ago. Many young girls feel more "conservative", modest than the options presented to them by the mass market:


"It took Alyssa Webster ``forever'' to find the perfect dress for her confirmation at her Catholic church.

``I went to six or seven stores. I saw tight, tight skirts and dresses that were really, really tight. It was really hard to find the right length skirts. They were either really short and they were low slung, around my hips,'' says the 16-year-old Kirkland teen who attends the Holy Names Academy in Seattle.

She settled on a black and white floral dress. But it was strapless. Her solution to make it fit her more conservative look -- a pink cardigan. With the cardigan and a dress length just below her knees, she felt it was the perfect look for her April confirmation."

http://www.sexrespect.com/king.html




"More girls push for modest fashion options

Associated Press
Jun. 2, 2004 10:42 AM
REDMOND, Wash. - During a recent shopping trip to Nordstrom, 11-year-old Ella Gunderson became frustrated with all the low-cut hip-huggers and skintight tops. So she wrote to the Seattle-based chain's executives. "I see all of these girls who walk around with pants that show their belly button and underwear," she wrote. "Your clearks sugjest that there is only one look. If that is true, then girls are suppost to walk around half naked."

Nordstrom executives wrote back and promised Ella the company would try to provide a variety of fashions for youngsters. The shy, bespectacled redhead has since become an instant media darling, appearing on national television over the past two weeks to promote modest fashions instead of the saucy looks popularized by the likes of Britney Spears. Ella is on to something: A more modest look is in, some fashion experts say."

http://www.azcentral.com/families/articles/0602modest-clothing02-ON.html


"”It's funny, fashion designers in their ( I assume) 20s, 30s, 40s have been designing vaguely trashy stuff that many girls apparently don't want. Now the trend seems to be reversing somewhat"”going more conservative?
 
Folks have all probably seen this, but just in case....


WONDER WOMAN:
Flight and Height

"I understand you've not yet written a word of the "Wonder Woman" screenplay.
Not too many words.

Did you tell Warner Bros. you weren't keen to deal with it until "Serenity" enters release?
Not release. It's not that I haven't been working on it.

You have been working on it?
The way I work, I'm like a vulture. I circle and circle and then I dive. I usually don't actually write anything until I know exactly how it's going to turn out. I don't "let the computer take me away." I'm an absolute Nazi about structure. I make outlines. I make charts and graphs with colors.

You've done that for "Wonder Woman"?
Not for "Wonder Woman," because I'm still working out the plot. But I'm finding the moments that matter; I'm finding the things that make the story really resonate; the things that I just can't wait to film. I have great big questions to answer, but I'm in that beautiful, free-form poetical place where you just get to think up moments and see if they fit in your movie. And that's almost more fun than anything. And that work, which is a vital part of what got me interested in doing the job in the first place, is being done.

But I do have to see "Serenity" through. I'll be finished with the movie within a month but I have to make sure it gets taken care of all the way through release. I have, in the past, found that I was able to do more than one thing at a time.

Will Diana be able to fly under her own power, or will an invisible plane be involved?
I do not believe she will be flying. I think we have a guy who flies. I don't see her flying. She might jump. There could be some hopping. And there may in fact be an invisible plane. But if there is, it will be because it came out really cool. And I have theories about how to make that work.

You've said there will be "no star-spangled panties" like the ones Lynda Carter wore in the old TV series. Are you ruling out star-spangled miniskirts?
Not exactly. The look that she's sporting in DC Comics right now is closer to where I'd have her than the TV series, or the old look. The color scheme and the silhouette have to remain because they're her. But the American flag is not what she's going to be wearing.

So you're not ruling out minis?
No. She's still going to look like Wonder Woman. She's not going to look like Trinity. She's going to look like Wonder Woman, but she's just not going to be hokey.

In the teaser poster the eagle remains on her chestplate.
The eagle is OK with me. Because it's not like we invented them. It' a lot less to swallow than the fact thatJor-El wears a big "S." That bugged me."

http://www.infocusmag.com/05augustseptember/whedonuncut.htm
 
Coolness. This is sounding good:


"Treating Wonder Like Batman
Joss Whedon, who is writing and will direct the upcoming Wonder Woman movie, told SCI FI Wire that he wants to give the venerable franchise the Batman Begins treatment, making sure fans get what they want: the costume, the bracelets, the lasso, maybe even the invisible jet.
"What's exciting is, like, Batman Begins basically really did a wonderful job explaining exactly why he was a bat and why he had everything on his costume that he did," Whedon said in an interview. "That's the joy of doing an origin story of Wonder Woman. Why does she wear the bracelets? Why does she use the lasso? Like, ... where does all that stuff come from? ... And I have answers for all of that, and it's really fun. So it's not a reinvention like, 'Oh, she's going to dress like Trinity [from The Matrix]"

http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire2005/index.php?category=0&id=32469&type=0
 
Im just curious how you prep a script by using charts with colours. Colour-coded happiness graphs for each character?

Anyway I like the idea of an origins story. Still havn't seen Batman Begins but it could be interesting. Wonder if he'll follow any comic storylines on her beginnings or rework one. The mind boggles.
 
You know, Joss's mapping and color coding is interesting. And it does sort of make sense too, if you're dealing with something really complex. I'm no writer, but I think people looking in from the outside may imagine the creative process as something totally wild and spontaneous"”almost magical. Like it comes to someone, whole, in a dream or something. There are those moments, sure, but....I'm thinking creative things are mostly just hard work, like anything. Brainstorming, doing research, making outlines...like assembling a puzzle. And maybe sometimes it's even like reverse-engineering: You envision a resolution, then invent the the details of the problem to go along with it.

Now, as far as "re-imagining", that seems tough. Especially if you're trying to sort of imbue a character with some significance or sophistication it never really had to begin with. "Batman Begins" was fantastic in that respect, I think. Goyer and Christoper Nolan did a great job of filling in Bruce Wayne's motivations, psychology, strategies in such a way that Bats almost seemed like he could exist in the real world.

Joss trying to push around all the Wonder Woman iconography and backstory and make it seem reasonable and logical... seems like that game Balderdash"”where you get some random, obscure word and you have to invent a definition that sounds just credible enough to fool your opponents.

I think if Joss can just make the emotions feel real, that's a huge part of the battle.
 
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