Wonderfalls:Cancelled
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nerd4hire
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Here's my theory on the early cancelation. It's kind of a combination of what both Buffy Summers and Tim Minear said.
The suits don't get it. They never will get it. Wonderfalls is intelligent television. They already know they're going to cancel it, even if it goes to 13, and has moderate success.
They've seen what's coming, and they know it's an arc. They fear the arc. The last thing they want is a radical cult following, spewing dispersions on their network. They don't want to deal with the kind of negative feelings towards their network Warner Bros is dealing with since it canceled Angel.
An arc will create a radical, cult, fan base. They don't want to deal with that.
I think the network execs have seen up to episode 13, and it scares them. It scares them, because it's too good.
The suits don't get it. They never will get it. Wonderfalls is intelligent television. They already know they're going to cancel it, even if it goes to 13, and has moderate success.
They've seen what's coming, and they know it's an arc. They fear the arc. The last thing they want is a radical cult following, spewing dispersions on their network. They don't want to deal with the kind of negative feelings towards their network Warner Bros is dealing with since it canceled Angel.
An arc will create a radical, cult, fan base. They don't want to deal with that.
I think the network execs have seen up to episode 13, and it scares them. It scares them, because it's too good.
Wow! You sound so right. They are afraid of us. The fans. The cult following fans since you know if it is somehow relate to the "verse" we will follow it. Alot of Wonderfall fans are Buffy/Angel fans and FOX sees that we are loyal and the arc will be worse. They canned it. Duh!
AngelicSlayer00
Angelic
they have taken all the joy out of my tv watching experience, fine i will just have to go outside (gasp) and do something other than watch tv. viewer:gone.
ana8
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But I mean people will be angry at Foz one way or another....Wonderfalls is/was a really good show,intelligently written and with interesting story line🙁
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Remember the rumour Warner Bros would take Angel back if the ratings improved and they got such and such a number of requests.
This rumour had a certain amount of credibility, because it came from a quote, unquote credible source at the Warner Brothers message boards. Apparently this source was considered credible, because it had proven itself to have access to insider information on previous occasions.
Did anyone ever consider this source was WB itself. There could be advantages to leaking certain information at certain times.
If that was the case what would be the advantage to Warner of leaking the information it was ready to deal?
First of all, all indications are that particular leak was bogus. My opinion - it was damage control.
People were asking questions like why does the most ratings improved program on the network get axed, when other programs were falling in the ratings and being saved.
Angel didn't just improve, it improved drastically in the much sought after 18 to 34 age bracket. In fact the male 18 to 34 bracket has been disappearing from television entirely. It was improving on Angel.
All of a sudden Save Angel billboards and ads start appearing around Los Angeles. News programs start appearing on everything from CNN to TV Guide concerning the Save Angel campaign.
Television Executives don't like this kind of activity. Affiliates and shareholders start asking questions. Sponsors publicly claim they can't do anything about it, but what do you think is going through their heads when they get a hundred postcards from angry fans claiming they'll never use their product again. All this puts pressure on the executives responsible for the kill Angel decision.
Personally I think the supposed leak from the quote, unquote credible source on the WB message boards was an example of a frantic attempt at damage control by WB execs.
Ok Ana, I told you all that to tell you this. Wonderfalls doesn't at the moment have the power to exert that kind of pressure. It's doubtful it ever would have it. Nevertheless you can bet Fox execs are aware of what's happening at the WB. They don't want anything like that kind of problem. They were going to cancel the show anyway, irregardless of how well it did. It's better to cut and run, before a solid fan movement develops capable of mounting a serious, "Save Wonderfalls" campaign.
This rumour had a certain amount of credibility, because it came from a quote, unquote credible source at the Warner Brothers message boards. Apparently this source was considered credible, because it had proven itself to have access to insider information on previous occasions.
Did anyone ever consider this source was WB itself. There could be advantages to leaking certain information at certain times.
If that was the case what would be the advantage to Warner of leaking the information it was ready to deal?
First of all, all indications are that particular leak was bogus. My opinion - it was damage control.
People were asking questions like why does the most ratings improved program on the network get axed, when other programs were falling in the ratings and being saved.
Angel didn't just improve, it improved drastically in the much sought after 18 to 34 age bracket. In fact the male 18 to 34 bracket has been disappearing from television entirely. It was improving on Angel.
All of a sudden Save Angel billboards and ads start appearing around Los Angeles. News programs start appearing on everything from CNN to TV Guide concerning the Save Angel campaign.
Television Executives don't like this kind of activity. Affiliates and shareholders start asking questions. Sponsors publicly claim they can't do anything about it, but what do you think is going through their heads when they get a hundred postcards from angry fans claiming they'll never use their product again. All this puts pressure on the executives responsible for the kill Angel decision.
Personally I think the supposed leak from the quote, unquote credible source on the WB message boards was an example of a frantic attempt at damage control by WB execs.
Ok Ana, I told you all that to tell you this. Wonderfalls doesn't at the moment have the power to exert that kind of pressure. It's doubtful it ever would have it. Nevertheless you can bet Fox execs are aware of what's happening at the WB. They don't want anything like that kind of problem. They were going to cancel the show anyway, irregardless of how well it did. It's better to cut and run, before a solid fan movement develops capable of mounting a serious, "Save Wonderfalls" campaign.
Those are very good points.
You can bet that the WB / 20th century FOX do want people to think there's a glimmer of hope though, so that all the viewer's don't say "well then I'm just not going to watch anymore if it's cancelled anyway what's the point".
You can bet that the WB / 20th century FOX do want people to think there's a glimmer of hope though, so that all the viewer's don't say "well then I'm just not going to watch anymore if it's cancelled anyway what's the point".
Kindred
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That's it. I'm about ready to take a bath with my hair dryer... TV is most definitely doomed.
Sure, sure... laugh at my misery. I'll show you! *ZZZTT! ZZZTT! ZZZZZZZZZZZTTTT!* "When reality television rises, you'll wish I'd killed you all."
In all seriousness, as much as I love Eliza, it's beyond me how Tru Calling gets a full season and Wonderfalls goes down in four episodes. Wonderfalls was a much smarter show... and that's probably my answer right there. Blame the vast and vastly stupid masses.
You're right nerd4hire, the execs are afraid of a smart and dedicated fan base.... Gee, they sure do no what they're doing....
ZZZZZZZZZZZTTT!!! ZZZZZZTTT!!!
Sure, sure... laugh at my misery. I'll show you! *ZZZTT! ZZZTT! ZZZZZZZZZZZTTTT!* "When reality television rises, you'll wish I'd killed you all."
In all seriousness, as much as I love Eliza, it's beyond me how Tru Calling gets a full season and Wonderfalls goes down in four episodes. Wonderfalls was a much smarter show... and that's probably my answer right there. Blame the vast and vastly stupid masses.
You're right nerd4hire, the execs are afraid of a smart and dedicated fan base.... Gee, they sure do no what they're doing....
ZZZZZZZZZZZTTT!!! ZZZZZZTTT!!!
slayerette
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Kindred said:
Unfortunatly it seems the executives decide we dont want to watch TV for anything but simple moving pictures. We want pure throwaway entertainment, such as Friends (which is being dumbed down, watch early seasons compared to this season where jokes come from Joey's inability to share food and Ross dressing like a woman). And of course the thing we all love, reality tv -_-.
I want to grow up and write good TV shows but I'm worried I'm only going to get a show on the air if everyone's naked and slipping over banana peels.
Primal Slayer
Did I Fall Asleep?
I cannot belive they are cancelling this great show! it is the best new show to come out in 2004 so far. The critics love it and its gone on for 4 episodes, to me it is getting good ratings since there hasnt even been that much promotion about the show and you only saw like one commercial for it like one time on fox each day. Well there just goes another good show and to tell you truth this is the main reason why I watch Fox, I dont like half the shows on there(catch Tru Calling once in awhile).
momentary_grace
Obsessionist
"I want to grow up and write good TV shows but I'm worried I'm only going to get a show on the air if everyone's naked and slipping over banana peels."
--> I've thought about that too, how it seemed to me that just a while ago TV was so much better off without Who Wants To Marry My Cousin Twice Removed or whatever...
How much creativity does a show like that take? Why are they taking away anything that is remotely good?? Really, I haven't seen much of Wonderfalls but what I have seen is great, and I know a lot of people who just love it! Why are all of our shows gone?
--> I've thought about that too, how it seemed to me that just a while ago TV was so much better off without Who Wants To Marry My Cousin Twice Removed or whatever...
How much creativity does a show like that take? Why are they taking away anything that is remotely good?? Really, I haven't seen much of Wonderfalls but what I have seen is great, and I know a lot of people who just love it! Why are all of our shows gone?
U
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The only reason Tru Calling is still on (And don't get me wrong, I LOVE Tru Calling), is because it has Eliza Dushku, a self-proclaimed teen idol. Most people recognize her more from Bring It On than from Buffy (It's a ratings booster if you have a highly paid movie star as the lead in your show). And the ratings must not be TOO good because they brought in freaking JASON PRIESTLY to help it out. I doubt Tru Calling will last two seasons. But that's ENTIRELY beside the point. 😉
Back to the original topic, I am DEEPLY saddened by the news that Wonderfalls has been cancelled. It just goes to show that Fox would rather have The OC (excuse me while I puke ...) than a true TV show like Wonderfalls.
This whole thing really makes me want to move to Siberia and become some modern day caveman so I wouldn't have to watch most of the crap that is on TV these days.
And I'm out. 😉
Back to the original topic, I am DEEPLY saddened by the news that Wonderfalls has been cancelled. It just goes to show that Fox would rather have The OC (excuse me while I puke ...) than a true TV show like Wonderfalls.
This whole thing really makes me want to move to Siberia and become some modern day caveman so I wouldn't have to watch most of the crap that is on TV these days.
And I'm out. 😉
L
Little Tree
Guest
This is not right, they keep taking away my shows!!!! you know what, even though it's been done, i'm gonna start a "Most sorry to see go" thread. You all had better reply.
ana8
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Wonderfalls falls victim to Fox's usual lack of support
TV Tidbits Interesting Wonderfalls falls victim to Fox's usual lack of support
Friday, April 9, 2004
Winston-Salem Journal
Wonderfalls has joined the list of great TV shows that have been canceled because of poor scheduling and promotion by the Fox network.
The show's executive producer, Tim Minear, announced the cancellation on his official Web site, ww.timminear .net, adding that he and the show's other producers plan to see "if there's some venue in which to air the remaining episodes."
Only four of the show's 13 episodes aired.
Fox has a habit of ordering interesting, edgy programs and then failing to give them enough time or support to find an audience.
A few months ago, when I interviewed Mike Reiss - the creator of the animated sitcom The Critic - he said that Fox had "strangled the show in its crib." In a letter to fans of Wonderfalls, Minear used a similar analogy, saying of the Fox executives: "I don't think they MEAN to strangle something in the crib. I know that the next time I shop something to a network, I'm going to hope to find a network that understands and believes in the thing they ordered. And if they thought it looked good on the menu, I'd hope they'd still have a taste for it once it got to the table."
Other victims of Fox indifference in recent years include Family Guy, Futurama, Andy Richter Controls the Universe, Greg the Bunny, Action, The Tick, Keen Eddie, The Lone Gunmen and another Minear-produced series, Firefly.
Many of these shows have gone on to highly successful home-video release. Strong DVD sales have led to a new season of Family Guy and a plan for a theatrical version of Firefly, both due in 2005. Perhaps the afterlife of those shows will prove the value of patience to Fox executives. Or perhaps they'll learn, after such recent flops as Forever Eden and Playing It Straight, that lousy reality shows aren't the wave of the future.
Old Salem's newest exhibit, the 1800 Tannenberg organ, will be featured in a segment of the CBS Sunday Morning newsmagazine show, which will be shown at 9 a.m. Sunday. The segment, which was taped March 18-20, will also look at Old Salem and discuss the tradition of the Easter Moravian Sunrise Service.
One of The Sopranos gang made a visit to Winston-Salem in the most recent episode of HBO's hit series.
In Sunday's installment, Tony's nephew Christopher, played by Michael Imperioli, was sent to Winston-Salem to pick up a load of stolen cigarettes. While he was gone, rumors began circulating that Tony was having a fling with Christopher's fiancee, Adriana. Christopher returned seething with jealousy, complaining about being sent to deal with "a bunch of rednecks" while he was being cuckolded (his actual words were a bit cruder).
Series creator David Chase attended Wake Forest University in the late 1960s before transferring to New York University, so it's no surprise that Winston-Salem would come up in the show eventually. What was surprising, however, was that Christopher had come all this way from New Jersey to pick up crates of Marlboros.
The episode, "Irregular Around the Margins," will be repeated at 9 p.m. today on digital cable channel HBO2 and at 1:15 a.m. Sunday on HBO.
The Sci Fi Channel unveiled its plans for next season and beyond on Monday. Perhaps the best news for science-fiction fans is that the network will show a four-hour Farscape mini-series in late 2004. Farscape: The Peacekeeper War will resolve the cliffhanger left behind when Sci Fi abruptly canceled Farscape in 2003. The miniseries has been in the works for a while but did not have a home until now.
Other Sci Fi Channel projects include a weekly series of Battlestar Galactica; miniseries adaptations of Larry Niven's Ringworld series, Michael McDowell's Blackwater novels and Ursula K. Le Guin's Earthsea novels; and TV movies from such cult favorites as Stan Lee (Marvel Comics) and Bruce Campbell (The Evil Dead).
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TV Tidbits Interesting Wonderfalls falls victim to Fox's usual lack of support
Friday, April 9, 2004
Winston-Salem Journal
Wonderfalls has joined the list of great TV shows that have been canceled because of poor scheduling and promotion by the Fox network.
The show's executive producer, Tim Minear, announced the cancellation on his official Web site, ww.timminear .net, adding that he and the show's other producers plan to see "if there's some venue in which to air the remaining episodes."
Only four of the show's 13 episodes aired.
Fox has a habit of ordering interesting, edgy programs and then failing to give them enough time or support to find an audience.
A few months ago, when I interviewed Mike Reiss - the creator of the animated sitcom The Critic - he said that Fox had "strangled the show in its crib." In a letter to fans of Wonderfalls, Minear used a similar analogy, saying of the Fox executives: "I don't think they MEAN to strangle something in the crib. I know that the next time I shop something to a network, I'm going to hope to find a network that understands and believes in the thing they ordered. And if they thought it looked good on the menu, I'd hope they'd still have a taste for it once it got to the table."
Other victims of Fox indifference in recent years include Family Guy, Futurama, Andy Richter Controls the Universe, Greg the Bunny, Action, The Tick, Keen Eddie, The Lone Gunmen and another Minear-produced series, Firefly.
Many of these shows have gone on to highly successful home-video release. Strong DVD sales have led to a new season of Family Guy and a plan for a theatrical version of Firefly, both due in 2005. Perhaps the afterlife of those shows will prove the value of patience to Fox executives. Or perhaps they'll learn, after such recent flops as Forever Eden and Playing It Straight, that lousy reality shows aren't the wave of the future.
Old Salem's newest exhibit, the 1800 Tannenberg organ, will be featured in a segment of the CBS Sunday Morning newsmagazine show, which will be shown at 9 a.m. Sunday. The segment, which was taped March 18-20, will also look at Old Salem and discuss the tradition of the Easter Moravian Sunrise Service.
One of The Sopranos gang made a visit to Winston-Salem in the most recent episode of HBO's hit series.
In Sunday's installment, Tony's nephew Christopher, played by Michael Imperioli, was sent to Winston-Salem to pick up a load of stolen cigarettes. While he was gone, rumors began circulating that Tony was having a fling with Christopher's fiancee, Adriana. Christopher returned seething with jealousy, complaining about being sent to deal with "a bunch of rednecks" while he was being cuckolded (his actual words were a bit cruder).
Series creator David Chase attended Wake Forest University in the late 1960s before transferring to New York University, so it's no surprise that Winston-Salem would come up in the show eventually. What was surprising, however, was that Christopher had come all this way from New Jersey to pick up crates of Marlboros.
The episode, "Irregular Around the Margins," will be repeated at 9 p.m. today on digital cable channel HBO2 and at 1:15 a.m. Sunday on HBO.
The Sci Fi Channel unveiled its plans for next season and beyond on Monday. Perhaps the best news for science-fiction fans is that the network will show a four-hour Farscape mini-series in late 2004. Farscape: The Peacekeeper War will resolve the cliffhanger left behind when Sci Fi abruptly canceled Farscape in 2003. The miniseries has been in the works for a while but did not have a home until now.
Other Sci Fi Channel projects include a weekly series of Battlestar Galactica; miniseries adaptations of Larry Niven's Ringworld series, Michael McDowell's Blackwater novels and Ursula K. Le Guin's Earthsea novels; and TV movies from such cult favorites as Stan Lee (Marvel Comics) and Bruce Campbell (The Evil Dead).
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WatcherWes
When we were muck
Fox may have cancelled it, but they were also the only network to give it a chance. Chew on that.
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bad_azz_slayer
Guest
the only shows fox actually advertises are simpsons and arrested development that sucks that another intelligent show has been cancelled