Wondering about something

[sugarkisses_xx]

There was a re-run of the Angel Season Three finale here last night, and I was wondering. . .

If Skip didn't get Cordy to become a higher-being, and if Connor hadn't ambushed Angel to the pit of the ocean. . . do you think Cordelia and Angel would've persued a relationship? I mean, I honestly was never sure about it -- although I'm sure they would've professed their love for each other (yada-yada-yada). . . I was never sure about that. I mean, it would've been the same senario with Buffy, right? Like, no future -- no kids -- no sex -- and etc. . . so I never really got why he was rushing off to tell Cordelia he loved her; and to possibly start a relationship with her. I've always been kind of closed minded to the idea of C/A just because of the simple fact I didn't think it was very fair and I had a thought that it'd be pretty much the same, tradgic ending as Buffy and Angel had.

So, I thought I'd take it to you guys, if that's okay? Enquire away for peace of mind? lol.

 

[SlayerThe]

Actually I think they could have made it work.

About the aspect of them having a kid and or family, they could have shared Connor. And Angel Investigations was a very family like atmosphere, so it would have been great to raise him there, especially instead of a hell dimensions.

I think they could have possibly been able to have sex. This is why:

Sex isn't the predefined term which makes Angel go bad. True happiness is. Sure, he slept with Buffy, experienced true happiness and went all evil and stuff, but thats not necessarily the case everytime. The reason he went bad after his little encounter with Buffy, is because he truly loved her, in every aspect, more than anything else. So I'm guessing him sleeping with some random girl wouldn't exactly make him evil. Theres a difference between pleasure and happiness.

Although theres something that has bugged me for a long time. Angel's soul is revoked once he achieves true happiness, but yet wasn't he truly happy when Connor was a baby. I mean he glowed and was very happy to be a father. He wasn't truly happy then?

 

[Willow Rosenberg]

Wow again...you're on a roll today boy...you pose a very good question too...Most people who have kids claim that the day they were born was one of the happiest of their lives...Why didn't Angel turn into Angelus upon Connor's birth...hmmmmmmm

 

[Beer_Nut]

Wow again...you're on a roll today boy...you pose a very good question too...Most people who have kids claim that the day they were born was one of the happiest of their lives...Why didn't Angel turn into Angelus upon Connor's birth...hmmmmmmm

I think it was because of the tragic way that Connor was born, with Darla staking herself, then being in mortal danger from Holtz. I think it would be kind of hard to be truly happy.

Now, as to the original question I think that they would've pursued the relationship (much too my chagrin... lol), but I do think it still would've come to a dramatic conclusion just like with Buffy.

 

[SlayerThe]

Actually my first instinct was that even though he loved Connor, he really feared him. I mean who wouldn't be afraid of a child with 2 vampire parents? Thats saying something.

 

[Fat Elvis 007]

I'm guessing that he would never really attain perfect happiness with Cordy, and I'm sure this fact would bug her and eventually lead to the end of their relationship. She would always know that Buffy is the one he truly wants.

Still, I love the Cangel. I thought it developed naturally and the two had a great chemistry together. Who would have thought way back in Buffy S1 that we would end up liking Cordelia more than Buffy?

 

[SlayerThe]

I'm guessing that he would never really attain perfect happiness with Cordy, and I'm sure this fact would bug her and eventually lead to the end of their relationship. She would always know that Buffy is the one he truly wants.

Still, I love the Cangel. I thought it developed naturally and the two had a great chemistry together. Who would have thought way back in Buffy S1 that we would end up liking Cordelia more than Buffy?

Speak for yourself buddy. I too like Cordelia but never oh never compare her to my Buffy! Well you can do whatever you want, and you know I'm just joking with that :clown2: CLOWN FACE!

But I still love me some Buffy. A lot more than Cordelia! I mean sure Buffy got a little 'tude near the end but you don't go through the things she does and not have one. Dying twice was a huge factor not to mention giving up most everything she loved!

You could argue that Cordelia's body was taken over and she came back reasonably nice, but she wasn't ripped out of Paradise (well she was, but not in the kinda way Buffy was. Because Buffy had died and Cordy fake "ascended").

Hm, damn, I always go off topic.

But yeah, I think Angel and Cordelia would have had a good relationship. They were both in such transition points in their life. Though Buffy + Angel = eternal (to me, don't ever take my points to heart, because its just my opinion and I'm not trying to force it on you!)

 

[sugarkisses_xx]

Oooh, "Slayer, The" I like your points 😀. I never really factored into it the whole perfect happiness thing, like, I knew it wasn't just sex that made Angel, Angelus, but I never thought about whether or not Cordelia would grant it to him (nor did I factor that Connor would, basically have been their child if he didn't go all **grrr**). Ha, now that you brought it up, I'm considering whether or not Cordy would've given him perfect happiness -- although his Shaman dream thing did -- because he loved her more than he'd probably love anyone ever. [IMO, atleast, lol]. Plus, when Buffy and Angel slept together, he wasn't aware of as much then as he is know. . . esspecially considering now every time Angel "does the deed" loosing his soul should be in the back of his mind, making it almost impossible for him to have perfect happiness.

It's one of the many questions Joss left for us -- whether or not C/A would have a relationship. LOL. I think they could've made it work now, lol, although, I'm not sure if they *would've*. Angel was big with the pessimism alot -- but another thing, Buffy always wanted a normal life. Cordy never really did. I guess that'd be a factor too.

Hmm. . . so many questions, so many thoughts, so many answers. . . lol.

Thanks guys 😀🙂

 

[Tainted Hope]

I think it is entirely possible- and most probable- that Angel would attain true happiness with Cordelia. He seemed most happy with her- more happy (and was happy more often) with Cordelia rather then Buffy. Their solid friendship set a solid building block for a relationship, and she seemed to accept his vampiric side more then Buffy ever would be able to.

Not that I blame Buffy- her every instinct is to kill vampires. It is ingrained in her, and you can see that the way she acts with Spike, even though it is obvious they loved each other. At least, to me. It seemed more then lust.

Anyways, this isn't about Buffy- this is about Cordelia and Angel.

Angel loved her dearly, and while I don't believe in the crap that is "true love", "eternity", "kyrumption", or "moira", it could very well last for an eternity- their companionship, humor, and deep knowledge of each other was far reaching.

Buffy was more distant to Angel, more like a far away dream. Cordelia was there, every day, helping him with HIS mission, rather then him assisting Buffy.

The pure (perhaps not PURE, because then 'no soul') happiness on his face at moments when they are interacting is... phenomanol. I find David most attractive when acting with Charisma... I don't see the chemistry they have, both friendship wise and romance wise, anywhere else in the Whendonverse, with the possible exception of Buffy and Spike.

Buuuut, if she didn't supply him with true happiness (which, my points about - i believe- insist that she could, and that shaman dream declared that she could), she would throw a fit. I would, too! I wouldn't WANT Angelus out, but com'mon- how would you feel if you weren't good enough?

And I did like Cordelia much better then Buffy in the end, although I adore the Buffster. Cordelia just remained who she was.... snarky, bitchy, sarcastic, kind hearted, guarded, compassionate and stubborn, to the very end. No matter what came her way, she was still the same.

Well, mostly. The visions drastically changed her view on life, helped her to move on from being on a pedistal to really, honestly caring. But she stepped off that pedistal, and then her character remained true to herself- flaws and all.

Wow, I hoped I didn't step on anyone's toes there.... I guess I just get a little emotional.

I need a life.

 

[alluring dejection]

I'm guessing that he would never really attain perfect happiness with Cordy, and I'm sure this fact would bug her and eventually lead to the end of their relationship. She would always know that Buffy is the one he truly wants.

Yeah, that's what I figured. I don't know - everything always points to Buffy and Angel being an "eternal love" blah blah blah. I mean, even in the end, their last conversation between each other showed that. She knew he would wait for her, just as she'd expect.

that shaman dream declared that she could

Mmm the dream...might not have been accurate...? =/

 

[Cordelia Chase*]

Actually I think they could have made it work.

About the aspect of them having a kid and or family, they could have shared Connor. And Angel Investigations was a very family like atmosphere, so it would have been great to raise him there, especially instead of a hell dimensions.

I think they could have possibly been able to have sex. This is why:

Sex isn't the predefined term which makes Angel go bad. True happiness is. Sure, he slept with Buffy, experienced true happiness and went all evil and stuff, but thats not necessarily the case everytime. The reason he went bad after his little encounter with Buffy, is because he truly loved her, in every aspect, more than anything else. So I'm guessing him sleeping with some random girl wouldn't exactly make him evil. Theres a difference between pleasure and happiness.

Although theres something that has bugged me for a long time. Angel's soul is revoked once he achieves true happiness, but yet wasn't he truly happy when Connor was a baby. I mean he glowed and was very happy to be a father. He wasn't truly happy then?

True!

Or when Connor returned.

I think he would have been more happy about his son's birth than over a girls......you get the picture.

But there were a few moments when he should have lost his soul then.

 

[galathea]

Okay, I am sure Angel and Cordy would have persued a relationship and I am sure it would have worked. Why? Lets look into the infamous reasons why Angel should not have another relationship with someone he loves, think of the Mayors speech to Angel:

The Mayer told Angel that he couldn't offer Buffy the life she deserved and wanted and that he was being selfish by staying with her. But Cordelia was already living the life she wanted, the life she choose deliberately .. and it happen to be the life at Angels side, aligned to his mission. So Angel already offered Cordelia the life she wanted, so to speak.

The Mayor also asks, if he really sees living at Buffys side and keeping her from a normal life as his greater purpose in life and if he was brought back from hell for that reason. Interesting foreshadowing I'd say. In LA Angel finally found his greater purpose .. the mission to redeem himself and save souls in need. And Cordelia is already a part of this, so he doesn't keep her from anything.

The Mayor points out that Angels immortal and Buffys not. So what? In Double Or Nothing Angel says to Cordy: "You live as long as I do, eventually you lose everyone. It's what happens. I'm not sayin' you get used to it but you expect it, you deal." Angel knows that he will eventually lose Cordy and he will deal, but he has at least the memories to carry him through his life. And for Cordelia .. it's not that Angel is undestructable, he can be killed in a fight. So like any normal couple they have to face the possibility of each others deaths.

Can she cope with him staying young and herself aging? Maybe, maybe not .. the point is that she might be willing to give it a try and see if it will work. And that is all what really matters, the will to give it a chance and to work things out in the progress. I mean, obviously the Mayors wife stayed with him and he with her until the very end. It might not have been their happiest times but nonetheless, they were there for each other.

Okay, so how would they make it work: It depends, really. I for my part am convinced that Angel did loose his soul with Buffy because he had no idea about the happiness clause. Once he knew about the possibility to unleash Angelus again I am sure he would never been able to let himself go enough to experience bliss. This is a theory, of course, but the fact, that in Awakening dreamCordelia had to convince him that the clause held no power over him anymore, shows that his fear of loosing his soul is very deeply rooted. How can he ever be content again if he carries the ability to destroy everything he loves within him? So I would not necessarily see the curse as a hindrance to a full relationship with Cordelia.

Especially given the fact that Angel experienced a lot of happiness in S3, the birth of his son for example. When he talks to Wesley and Gunn about how wonderful his love for his son is and how it fills up his life with joy, one would think that he should have been in danger of loosing his soul everytime he holds his son. But that never happens.

But okay, let's assume that theory is wrong. The curse and the clause are still a magical spell. I don't see why there should be no way to magically anchor his soul, to remove the happiness clause without removing the soul. In *The Curse* Angel seeks out the gypsie clan who cursed him in the first place, to find a possibility to get rid of the danger of Angelus. So this is still an option as long as we live in a magical world, right

Okay, let's further assume that this can't be done either. There is still the shanshu prophecy. They could decide to put their feelings aside and to do what is right, making Angels redemption their priority. I am convinced that this would be Cordelias main concern after all. I think their friendship would be strong enought to carry them through this, to overcome their desire in favor of a greater purpose.

In any case, none of the hindrances that the B/A relationship had are an obstacle for C/A in my opinion.

 

[Queen of Cups]

Yeah. The love between Angel & Cordy seemed natural & genuine. He & Buffy's love seemed corny & mushy.

I think it is entirely possible- and most probable- that Angel would attain true happiness with Cordelia. He seemed most happy with her- more happy (and was happy more often) with Cordelia rather then Buffy. Their solid friendship set a solid building block for a relationship, and she seemed to accept his vampiric side more then Buffy ever would be able to.

Not that I blame Buffy- her every instinct is to kill vampires. It is ingrained in her, and you can see that the way she acts with Spike, even though it is obvious they loved each other. At least, to me. It seemed more then lust.

Anyways, this isn't about Buffy- this is about Cordelia and Angel.

Angel loved her dearly, and while I don't believe in the crap that is "true love", "eternity", "kyrumption", or "moira", it could very well last for an eternity- their companionship, humor, and deep knowledge of each other was far reaching.

Buffy was more distant to Angel, more like a far away dream. Cordelia was there, every day, helping him with HIS mission, rather then him assisting Buffy.

The pure (perhaps not PURE, because then 'no soul') happiness on his face at moments when they are interacting is... phenomanol. I find David most attractive when acting with Charisma... I don't see the chemistry they have, both friendship wise and romance wise, anywhere else in the Whendonverse, with the possible exception of Buffy and Spike.

Buuuut, if she didn't supply him with true happiness (which, my points about - i believe- insist that she could, and that shaman dream declared that she could), she would throw a fit. I would, too! I wouldn't WANT Angelus out, but com'mon- how would you feel if you weren't good enough?

And I did like Cordelia much better then Buffy in the end, although I adore the Buffster. Cordelia just remained who she was.... snarky, bitchy, sarcastic, kind hearted, guarded, compassionate and stubborn, to the very end. No matter what came her way, she was still the same.

Well, mostly. The visions drastically changed her view on life, helped her to move on from being on a pedistal to really, honestly caring. But she stepped off that pedistal, and then her character remained true to herself- flaws and all.

Wow, I hoped I didn't step on anyone's toes there.... I guess I just get a little emotional.

I need a life.

 

[Wicca-Who-Wont-a]

i think that if they met they would have persued a relationship together and they might hav been able to make it work but i think that so many buffy and angel fans wanted to see them end up together, i know there was never really a closed book in the whole buffy and angel situation and i think that was a good idea to keep the possabilities open, and as much as i liked cordy it just wouldn't be the same if she was with angel as it was with buffy and angel

 

[Schillaci]

I wasn't particularly interested in seeing it, but of all the relationships on either show, I reckon Angel and Cordelia would have the best chance of surviving long term.

 

[Wicked]

Theres a major difference between the two relationships. Cordelia wasnt the slayer. She didnt have the same responsibilities as buffy.

When Angel was turned human, he got time reversed because Buffy was gonna be the first to die, but with Cordelia, she had no superpowers. She was just a girl, she didnt have to go running off to save the world, therefore I think they could have made it work.

As for the no sex issue, Angel managed to sleep with Nina and was ok, so why not Cordy?

I think it could have worked.