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Probably been a thread for this already but I can't be arsed finding it LOL.
Well I'm going to say surprisingly Star Trek and Doctor Who.
You all know my issues with DW fandom. It's too insecure because of the bullying the show got in the 90s and will therefore sell the show out to any fad, and will develop a cult like worship of anybody that makes it keeeeewwwwwlllllll that in the worst cases makes the Family from the Omega Man look fair and measured.
However Star Trek is a new one for me, as for the last few years I thought it was good. In fact I wanted Who fandom to be more like it because Star Trek fandom is extremely confident. (Hence why a Beastie Boys track being played in a trailer for a ST movie is enough for them to get angry that it's not like Trek, as opposed to some who fans who actually defend the Timeless Children that destroys every single aspect of the Doctors character.)
However getting back into Lost in Space actually reminded me that Trekkies are complete snobs and assholes to other sci fi series. Now this is more Original Series fans to be fair. Still Star Trek TOS fans have always had a terrible habit of shitting on other series and franchises, making out that Star Trek is the thinking man's sci fi as opposed to the one idiots like.
Lost in Space was terribly bullied that way, and like I said it's reputation never recovered. As I've been over Lost in Space like it or hate it, deserves credit as the first proper sci fi comedy on tv, and the one which paved the way for all the others. However Trekkies constantly shitting on it and writing in their books "Star Trek was the first show to take sci fi seriously unlike that awful Lost in Space." Have really f*cked it over in the long term, so that even when shows like Rick and Morty and Red Dwarf do things in the modern age that Lost in Space did in the 60s and get praised for them like Pickle Rick, then Lost in Space is still shat on as the disgrace to sci if unlike Star Trek.
Similarly Space 1999 also suffered from this, (James Marsters humorously mentioned doing this to Space 1999 as a Trekkie in the 70s, only for Charisma Carpenter to remind him that his onscreen girlfriend and friend Juliet Landau was Martin Landau's daughter LOL) as did Star Wars, though it was too big to bring down unlike the other two. Still it's worth noting that a lot of the rivalry in the Star Wars/Star Trek fandom comes from Trekkies. Look at Simon Pegg's obnoxious comments recently about how the Trekkies have always just been more progressive and more intelligent than Star Wars fans, hence why they could accept female and non white heroes more easily.
Ironically Doctor Who is the only one that Trekkies seem okay with. I think it's because DW fans whilst terrible to their own supposedly favourite series, by and large are brilliant with other sci fi series. DW fans by and large have never shat on Blake's 7, Red Dwarf, Gerry Anderson series, or American genre shows like Xena, Buffy and Star Trek to the same extent that Trekkies have to their rivals. I think maybe because DW has such a wide range, it has drawn from all of these shows at different point and so Whovians have to kind of acknowledge them LOL.
Still either way DW fans and Trekkies have always got along. There's a rivalry sure, but it's a friendly one. It may have also helped that a lot of DW actors are big Trekkies. Even then though I can't help but feel that sometimes the friendship with this fandom is a bit more one sided from Who fans. They are certainly the ones that push it more than Trekkies do who can still sometimes look down on even classic DW of all things as not being as sophisticated sci fi as much as theirs.
For me the Buffy fandom is the best, and I'm not just saying that because I'm on a Buffy board LOL, I'd say the same on any forum. Buffy fandom has enough confidence in the show to the point where I don't think it would ever let schiesters "smash it up" and buy into bullshit like "Buffy has no canon because they got the year of Spike's birth wrong in two episodes, so that means I can rewrite every single part of her character." Yet they are also quite welcoming to other franchises too, and have never really shat on other series to big the Buffster up. The only time they did that was admittedly to Twilight in the 10s, but to be fair to them that didn't last and EVERYBODY shat on Twilight. Hating on it was the number 1 hipster, jump on the bandwagon fad of the 2010s LOL.
Of course these fandoms don't reflect on the quality of the shows themselves, and when I say fans I don't just mean random people who like them, but the official, elite side of fandoms. Although I do hate to say that at certain points the fans did put me off both shows. Years ago when I was a teenager I went through a period of not liking Star Trek because I kept seeing stuff about how shit these other shows are compared to it, that ironically made me notice the flaws in Star Trek more. Where as before I would have just written off the campy episodes as quite charming in a 60s way, now it was like "seriously, you guys rip on every other sci fi show and then do a space hippies episode?" Meanwhile as you know the unpleasant experiences I had with DW fandom caused me to fall out of love with it a few years back for a short while, but thankfully I put both behind me and can appreciate them both as the classics they are.
Still it should serve as a lesson to other fandoms I think never to be too cocky or too lacking in confidence.
Well I'm going to say surprisingly Star Trek and Doctor Who.
You all know my issues with DW fandom. It's too insecure because of the bullying the show got in the 90s and will therefore sell the show out to any fad, and will develop a cult like worship of anybody that makes it keeeeewwwwwlllllll that in the worst cases makes the Family from the Omega Man look fair and measured.
However Star Trek is a new one for me, as for the last few years I thought it was good. In fact I wanted Who fandom to be more like it because Star Trek fandom is extremely confident. (Hence why a Beastie Boys track being played in a trailer for a ST movie is enough for them to get angry that it's not like Trek, as opposed to some who fans who actually defend the Timeless Children that destroys every single aspect of the Doctors character.)
However getting back into Lost in Space actually reminded me that Trekkies are complete snobs and assholes to other sci fi series. Now this is more Original Series fans to be fair. Still Star Trek TOS fans have always had a terrible habit of shitting on other series and franchises, making out that Star Trek is the thinking man's sci fi as opposed to the one idiots like.
Lost in Space was terribly bullied that way, and like I said it's reputation never recovered. As I've been over Lost in Space like it or hate it, deserves credit as the first proper sci fi comedy on tv, and the one which paved the way for all the others. However Trekkies constantly shitting on it and writing in their books "Star Trek was the first show to take sci fi seriously unlike that awful Lost in Space." Have really f*cked it over in the long term, so that even when shows like Rick and Morty and Red Dwarf do things in the modern age that Lost in Space did in the 60s and get praised for them like Pickle Rick, then Lost in Space is still shat on as the disgrace to sci if unlike Star Trek.
Similarly Space 1999 also suffered from this, (James Marsters humorously mentioned doing this to Space 1999 as a Trekkie in the 70s, only for Charisma Carpenter to remind him that his onscreen girlfriend and friend Juliet Landau was Martin Landau's daughter LOL) as did Star Wars, though it was too big to bring down unlike the other two. Still it's worth noting that a lot of the rivalry in the Star Wars/Star Trek fandom comes from Trekkies. Look at Simon Pegg's obnoxious comments recently about how the Trekkies have always just been more progressive and more intelligent than Star Wars fans, hence why they could accept female and non white heroes more easily.
Ironically Doctor Who is the only one that Trekkies seem okay with. I think it's because DW fans whilst terrible to their own supposedly favourite series, by and large are brilliant with other sci fi series. DW fans by and large have never shat on Blake's 7, Red Dwarf, Gerry Anderson series, or American genre shows like Xena, Buffy and Star Trek to the same extent that Trekkies have to their rivals. I think maybe because DW has such a wide range, it has drawn from all of these shows at different point and so Whovians have to kind of acknowledge them LOL.
Still either way DW fans and Trekkies have always got along. There's a rivalry sure, but it's a friendly one. It may have also helped that a lot of DW actors are big Trekkies. Even then though I can't help but feel that sometimes the friendship with this fandom is a bit more one sided from Who fans. They are certainly the ones that push it more than Trekkies do who can still sometimes look down on even classic DW of all things as not being as sophisticated sci fi as much as theirs.
For me the Buffy fandom is the best, and I'm not just saying that because I'm on a Buffy board LOL, I'd say the same on any forum. Buffy fandom has enough confidence in the show to the point where I don't think it would ever let schiesters "smash it up" and buy into bullshit like "Buffy has no canon because they got the year of Spike's birth wrong in two episodes, so that means I can rewrite every single part of her character." Yet they are also quite welcoming to other franchises too, and have never really shat on other series to big the Buffster up. The only time they did that was admittedly to Twilight in the 10s, but to be fair to them that didn't last and EVERYBODY shat on Twilight. Hating on it was the number 1 hipster, jump on the bandwagon fad of the 2010s LOL.
Of course these fandoms don't reflect on the quality of the shows themselves, and when I say fans I don't just mean random people who like them, but the official, elite side of fandoms. Although I do hate to say that at certain points the fans did put me off both shows. Years ago when I was a teenager I went through a period of not liking Star Trek because I kept seeing stuff about how shit these other shows are compared to it, that ironically made me notice the flaws in Star Trek more. Where as before I would have just written off the campy episodes as quite charming in a 60s way, now it was like "seriously, you guys rip on every other sci fi show and then do a space hippies episode?" Meanwhile as you know the unpleasant experiences I had with DW fandom caused me to fall out of love with it a few years back for a short while, but thankfully I put both behind me and can appreciate them both as the classics they are.
Still it should serve as a lesson to other fandoms I think never to be too cocky or too lacking in confidence.
NotASlayer
My goodness, I did not know Juliet Landau was Martin Landau's daughter!
