Worst brainwasher (of the three)?

[LadyLavinia]

Nobody said the action itself should be condoned, it's more about whether or not the motives behind it are understandable. It's not all black and white; even a judge in court will make a difference in their sentence according to the motive. If you steal something to feed your starving kid, you're quite likely to get a milder punishment than if you do it just for kicks... even though both thefts are illegal and will result in some kind of judicial consequence. (And I hope you agree that it's a good thing that such differentiation is done!)

Angel never had a real motive to erase Buffy's memories. It was unecessary. Frankly, I suspect that he didn't want to face her reaction to his need to resume being a vampire. His returning to his vampire state did nothing to help Buffy, except when he gave her that amulet in the second to last episode of BUFFY. That's it. Angel really has no justification for the mind rape.

It's amazing. Fans have condemned Willow for her acts of psychic rape in BUFFY's early Season 6. They have condemned Spike for his attempted rape of Buffy. But Angel, on the other hand, has received nothing but tea and sympathy from many fans because of the "glorification" of the Buffy/Angel relationship. Jesus!

 

[Atren]

lets not forget about when Angel mind raped ('mind raped' lol, we do like to be sensational dont we!) Buffy in 'I Will remember you'. He was allowed to remember this unforgettable night while Buffy didnt get anything, all so that he could turn back into a vampire (which btw makes the entire shanshu idea ridiculous to the extreme).

That was not mind raping in my books. He did alter the events, but it was not by brainwashing.

 

[LadyLavinia]

That was not mind raping in my books. He did alter the events, but it was not by brainwashing.

It was psychic rape in my book. Angel didn't do the actual job, like Willow did in S6, but he was the one who sanctioned it. And he had failed to tell Buffy . . . until seconds before the mind wipe was to take place.

What a coward!

 

[Uncle Rory]

I am not a big Willow / Tara fan in that I could care less about the "ships" (sic) but when Willow makes Tara forget I was totally disgusted with her. I agree with the folks that mention that most of the other mind dominance incidents, like Angel making everyone forget Connor were small potatoes. And although I don't have children I think 100% of those that do would gladly rip out their closest friends brains with a cork screw to protect a child so a little memory loss doesn't seem like such a big sin.

Uncle Rory