Writer's Strike

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Originally Posted by Dlou444
The networks are saying they aren't MAKING any money off of the electronic media. Which makes the whole thing even more ridiculous. If they REALLY weren't making any money off of it, then why not say the writers could have 50%? 50% of nothing is still nothing.

No, it's that someday they won't be worth nothing. Like Amazon or Google lol

Which was my point, just made to be sarcastically. If it REALLY wasn't worth the writer's efforts to get any money because there WAS no money either now or to be seen in the future, there would be no hard at all in saying, "Sure, you can have your rightful cut"

If writers have to be paid more, then there will be fewer of them hired and much fewer "unknown" writers given a chance.

And that theory only holds up if they plan to cut the TV viewing hours. As long as there is the same amount of prime time viewing hours, they need shows to fill those slots. And there is going to be a need for writers to write those shows.

I have to ask what you think the alternative is? It's not like they didn't ask first. Probably MORE than once and the networks knew this was coming. I knew, so they'd have to be deaf, dumb and blind to not know. Should they just say, "Hey, we need our fair share because you wouldn't be making ANY money off this show without our brain power" and have the networks say, "Well no. And we're not making money anyway so go away" and so they just bow their heads and go away?

I don't want months of nothing on TV. I might just go mad. On the other hand, if the writer's don't look out for their interests, who's going to?

And, in the end, it DOES protect "Mr. No Name", maybe MORE than the big writers. Jerry Bruckhiemer, he may not need the extra 4ç or whatever he could get from downloadable media as much. But, had Firefly been written by someone who had never been heard of before and only had the one show, that extra money could be a lot.

Don't underestimate electronic media. There isn't much that's going to slow it down now. The more probably downside? Instead of $1.99 an episode on iTunes...the price goes up. Because I can't see the networks honestly forking over part of THEIR profits. They won't slow it down or stop it, it's simple supply and demand.
 
And that's basically the point I was trying to make too.

This kind of creative freedom already exists in Silicon Valley, where the creators of product are its owners. Software entrepreneur Marc Andreessen, who helped found Netscape, makes an eloquent argument on his blog (blog.pmarca.com) that a prolonged strike could undermine the studios' control of production and distribution, ushering in a new showbiz model built in the image of Silicon Valley.

Even if the strike is settled soon, dramatic change is coming. As more outside money pours into Hollywood and as our computers begin to merge with our TV sets, the studios will have less control over content than ever. NBC's Jeff Zucker can sneer at the paltry dollars to be made from selling TV shows on iTunes all he wants. But if old media keep pulling their product away, surely the day isn't far away when Steve Jobs will bankroll his own programming to keep our iPods full of compelling entertainment.

Whoever enters the fray will still need writers to create this new content. So writers should keep their eyes on the prize. Getting a few more pennies of digital loot is just a beginning, not an end. The ultimate goal should be finding ways to own a piece of your own work.

"If I were someone like Les Moonves, I'd be scared," Gilroy says. "You don't want your employees thinking about opening their own store around the corner. We might be really tough competitors."

I'm just a little more conspiracy driven as far as the companies wanting to get control of the internet gateway, and I fantasize even more far-reaching opportunities for creative talent.
 
The best way to protect the writers jobs is to boycott all reality programs like American Idol and Survivor. It's shows like these that really kill scripted shows.
 
The best way to protect the writers jobs is to boycott all reality programs like American Idol and Survivor. It's shows like these that really kill scripted shows.

Yes! Yes! I agree. The networks are playing hardball and threatening not to air reruns, but to air alternate programming like this, instead, when scripts run out. Because those shows are cheaper to produce than are scripted shows, some shows and slots are in real danger of closing down (and thereby putting people out of work and flooding the already tiny scripted -- and not outsourced to Canada -- market).

As an aspiring soap opera writer and novelist, I have serious reservations about all of this. Do I think writers deserve fair compensation? Absolutely. I know what a thankless job writing can be. It involves a lot of rejection letters and years of self-doubt. I think writers deserve to be a little overcompensated, actually, since they spend so long looking for work between projects. But do I think writers deserve it at the possible (and very likely) expense of the soap opera genre and all of its employees as well as some good, but off-the-beaten-path shows? Not so much. I'll admit that I have no idea how to break into such a highly specialized niche market (if anyone knows, please fill me in), but that doesn't change the fact that I care about those who are fortunate enough to work in my dream genre. Writers deserve fair compensation for DVDs and new media, but is it fair to receive that compensation by putting below-the-line folks and others out of work -- perhaps permanently?

I want to support my fellow writers. I've got loads of respect for those who can actually figure out how to get a spec script into the hands of someone who can help them find some work. But those who just moved out here to look for work are kind of suffering for the lack of it. There is no work -- and that is not of the good for anyone. Surely there's got to be a better way to negotiate fair pay.
 
Okay, I am gonna post and duck because I know I'm going to come across as heartless.

But, it's not the writer's job to give a flip about how gets put out of work because of the strike. They don't hire the staffs. The networks should have thought of that BEFORE they decided not to agree. And, perhaps the staffs should strike so that they get contracts so that they get paid come Hell or high water.
And, it's not like they're raking in the bucks while they're not working. Then I could see a bigger problem with it.

Don't get me wrong, I FEEL for them. And as someone suffering from a VooDoo Curse, I know how they feel and it's an AWFUL time to be out of work. And it all around does stink.

On the other hand the BEST time for the writer's to prove their point. Knocking out all programming NOW is certainly better to prove a point with. The networks won't feel it as much in the summer. And, on a selfish note, I like this time a LOT better than knowing for sure we get no season finales.

Anyway, as much as I wish it didn't have to be...it seems clear that if they were open to reason, they'd have had a discussion and worked something out BEFORE the strike happened. They had the warning. They knew what was going to happen and they've known for weeks not that it IS happening. They could have stopped this at ANY moment, if they wanted to reason and work something out.
So, if we must get upset about the people who aren't working....it seems to me, it's the Networks to be angry at, not the writers.
 
Okay, I am gonna post and duck because I know I'm going to come across as heartless.

But, it's not the writer's job to give a flip about how gets put out of work because of the strike. They don't hire the staffs. The networks should have thought of that BEFORE they decided not to agree. And, perhaps the staffs should strike so that they get contracts so that they get paid come Hell or high water.
And, it's not like they're raking in the bucks while they're not working. Then I could see a bigger problem with it.

Don't get me wrong, I FEEL for them. And as someone suffering from a VooDoo Curse, I know how they feel and it's an AWFUL time to be out of work. And it all around does stink.

On the other hand the BEST time for the writer's to prove their point. Knocking out all programming NOW is certainly better to prove a point with. The networks won't feel it as much in the summer. And, on a selfish note, I like this time a LOT better than knowing for sure we get no season finales.

Anyway, as much as I wish it didn't have to be...it seems clear that if they were open to reason, they'd have had a discussion and worked something out BEFORE the strike happened. They had the warning. They knew what was going to happen and they've known for weeks not that it IS happening. They could have stopped this at ANY moment, if they wanted to reason and work something out.
So, if we must get upset about the people who aren't working....it seems to me, it's the Networks to be angry at, not the writers.

No need to duck. I agree that the Networks are the ones with whom we should be angry. I understand that the writers are just trying to get their fair share.

It's just... soaps. Soaps are in trouble. Really big trouble. And it's not like soaps stand to profit much from DVD sales or new media, anyway. If the writer's strike means a world without soaps, then it's not worth it to me. No way. No how. I can't think of much that's worth the sacrifice of soaps. Lives, maybe. It might be a decent time for your shows to face this, but it's looking like it might be Armageddon for mine. No amount of sympathy in the world can make me okay with that.

I know I'm being incredibly melodramatic, but hey, I'm a soap fan! That's what we do. 🙂

Seriously, though... as a writer, I find soaps more appealing than any other genre - despite the insane schedule - because you get to create characters and families that have complete lifecycles. I grew up watching them with my mom and my grandma. My great-grandma watched, too. That's pretty common for soap viewers. Families bond over soaps. Against the familiar backdrop of well known names and plots, families deal with and debate social change and social issues. When you write for a soap, you get to write characters who step into viewer's living rooms 5 days a week all year round for generations. In some ways, it's as close to realistic as you can get. You create strong relationships between viewers and characters. I'm not even lying. Ask any long-term soap fan how he/she felt when Luke and Laura got married. Ask any long-term GH fan how he/she felt when Stone died. That last one is the best story I've ever seen on TV. Hands down. Soaps give you the chance to write some incredibly real and moving stuff. In other ways -- the coming back from the dead, evil twin, wacky adventure story ways -- it's as fun and silly and and outlandish as you can get. It's the best of both worlds. It's an amazing opportunity for a writer.

And let's not forget the huge debt that the rest of TV owes to soaps. Soaps transitioned over from the days of Radio. They're the longest running scripted American programs. Every primetime drama owes a huge debt to soaps. You watch Greys? You watch ER? Medical drama owes a debt to GH. You watch crime drama? legal drama? Those stories started on soaps. You watch Buffy? Thank Dark Shadows and, to a lesser extent, Days (for the Marlena possession story). You get my point.

So even though I sympathize with the writers and even though I know the Networks are ultimately responsible for the negative long term effects of the strike, I still can't wholly support a strike that threatens soaps. I just can't do it. It's sort of like my own mini-apocalypse happening right under my nose. I honestly don't give a fig about who gets four cents more on this or who gets royalties for that when the Networks are holding soaps hostage. The price may not be too high for the WGA, but it's too high for me. If soaps bite the big one over this, then I'm sorry, but it's just plain not worth it. Even if the Networks are mostly to blame for that outcome, I don't think the writers escape some measure of culpability.

But hey, let's hope they get this thing worked out! I'm all for a favorable resolution. I really hope a fair agreement is reached. Writers deserve fair compensation. I'm no scrooge. I just don't want to give up a career goal and a 20+ year TV addiction over something that has little impact on soaps, anyway.
 
Seriously, though... as a writer, I find soaps more appealing than any other genre - despite the insane schedule - because you get to create characters and families that have complete lifecycles.
And how to keep the two "big" families from inbreeding. Which is gonna be a problem on Days VERY SOON. And GH isn't far behind.

No, I get it. And I do feel bad for soaps. I doubt it will last long, but I'm kind of looking forward to a little soap vacation. It takes 3 hours out of my DAY! I love watching them, and I don't want to miss anything, but having a nice week when I'm sure I won't miss anything and could do ANYTHING...it's kind of an intriguing concept. One I haven't really had the option for since I was 7 at least without having to miss something or have VHS tapes stacked to the ceiling.

Honestly, at first I was terrified about what the strike would mean, now it's kind of exciting thinking of how to fill my "Free time". And, those cast members on the soaps....and probably the crew too...THOSE are people who could really USE the time off. I love them and they work the hardest of any of the other shows. But, a nice little vacation has GOT to be kind of cool for them. They never get a break!

You know, actually, I may be for the strike for LOTS of reasons. Think of it! So far all of November and it looks like all of December to just SIT ON THEIR BOOTIES! Have parties, play with their kids. The soap stars, I'm not worried about their income and they ARE on contracts. A nice LONG vacation is EXACTLY what they probably need!
 
And how to keep the two "big" families from inbreeding. Which is gonna be a problem on Days VERY SOON. And GH isn't far behind.

No, I get it. And I do feel bad for soaps. I doubt it will last long, but I'm kind of looking forward to a little soap vacation. It takes 3 hours out of my DAY! I love watching them, and I don't want to miss anything, but having a nice week when I'm sure I won't miss anything and could do ANYTHING...it's kind of an intriguing concept. One I haven't really had the option for since I was 7 at least without having to miss something or have VHS tapes stacked to the ceiling.

Honestly, at first I was terrified about what the strike would mean, now it's kind of exciting thinking of how to fill my "Free time". And, those cast members on the soaps....and probably the crew too...THOSE are people who could really USE the time off. I love them and they work the hardest of any of the other shows. But, a nice little vacation has GOT to be kind of cool for them. They never get a break!

You know, actually, I may be for the strike for LOTS of reasons. Think of it! So far all of November and it looks like all of December to just SIT ON THEIR BOOTIES! Have parties, play with their kids. The soap stars, I'm not worried about their income and they ARE on contracts. A nice LONG vacation is EXACTLY what they probably need!

So you're convinced it's just going to be a vacation?

I hope so. A hiatus wouldn't freak me out. I'm worried it's going to be the big dirt nap. I guess we'll have to wait and see!
 
Nah...they had a strike in 88. Went on half the year and everything was okay. Or I suppose relatively okay. The soaps made it through. I think the networks might wait and see if their "reality" shows make it, but sadly THOSE all look horrible. WORSE than usual. (Which happens when you throw a show together in 3 weeks)
Even worse for the networks, the WRITERS have a better following.
THEY give us the stories and WE LIKE THEM. America, in general, won't be rallying for "Big Brother Network Nazi Regime". I don't know a single person who watches CSI because they LOVE CBS or Grey's Anatomy because they simply adore ABC. If they think the viewers aren't paying attention they're wrong. Come January when things aren't on the air, there is gonna be some serious POOEY being written to those networks for NOT settling this LOOOOONG BEFORE!
 
Doesn't the actors' contract come up in January? Seems to me I heard that somewhere. What if they settle the one strike, then go into another?
 
Which actor's contracts? I thought they were all individual. But, I'm not an actor. I just thought if they were hired at different times with different length contracts, it would all have to be random.

On the other hand, it WOULD be sort of amusing.
Ah, hell, let's just bring down the networks all together. Who needs 'em? Surely the TV Guide can figure out how to list the programs without network names, right?
 
I might be wrong about the date, but this is what I'm talking about.

Predicted strike of 2008

The film industry is anticipating a strike by SAG(Screen Actor's Guild), the Writers Guild of America, West (WGAw), and the Directors Guild of America (DGA) against the Alliance of Motion Picture and Television Producers (AMPTP). The strike, which is currently scheduled for after June 2008, would stem from the current handling of royalties from the sale of films distributed through new media methods. This includes royalties earned from Internet distribution services such as iTunes, as well as DVD sales, neither of which are currently written into actors', writers', and directors' contracts. The strike date of June 2008 was chosen due to its coinciding with the expiration of several contracts between SAG and AMPTP.

Screen Actors Guild - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It’s hard to predict the outcome of the strike. However, as actors from the Screen Actors Guild have negotiations for contracts in a few months, it would be unwise for producers to not budge and give the writers their fair contracts. If the SAG gets involved, they would shut down Hollywood easily.

TechNews
 
It would be amusing to watch Hollywood take down the networks. That would be a part of history I'd LOVE to be alive for.
 
Hollywood wouldn't be taking down the networks, because Hollywood includes the Studios. It'd be the writers, actors, and directors taking down mostly the studios, (networks can still air reality TV or BBC-productions) and below-the-line people like camera-men, catering, hair- and make-up, who are all out of jobs and can't afford their mortgages any more.
 
Okay, sorry for miswording.
It would be amusing to watch the ACTUAL TALENT of Hollywood take down the networks AND movie studios.

I think I said I already felt bad about the camera men and people behind the scenes. But, it's not like the strikers are rolling in the dough. Get mad at the networks and movie studios if you want to be mad at someone for the behind the scenes guys. Why be mad at the people trying to make things more fair? The camera guys aren't on the WRITER'S payroll.

But, the blame where it belongs. The networks wouldn't work with the writer's to work out an agreement. They KNEW the strike was going to happen if they didn't. It's THEIR job to worry about the "behind the scenes" guys and THEY can end the strike today by saying, "Okay, let's work something out."
The camera men's mortgages are NOT resting on the shoulders of the writer's or anyone else other than the networks.
 
I found this today!
alterna-tv.com: Television Fans Unite In Support of Striking Writers

Television Fans Unite In Support of Striking Writers
Five hours and fifteen minutes.

That's how long it took for the smallest seed of a campaign by television fans to support the striking Writers Guild of America to take root and grow. It was November 5, 2007, the day before the strike was set to commence, and it happened on the Joss Whedon (creator of Buffy the Vampire Slayer) weblog whedonesque.com. The discussion thread where it all began reads something like this:

"Kinda short notice, but anyone interested in getting up a collection and sending some pizzas over to the front of Universal Studios?" (C.A. Bridges, 1:57 CET)

"If somebody sets up a Paypal and offers to order the pizzas it should be good to go." (gossi, 2:15 CET)

"I talked to the guys at my regular pizzeria"¦. They said they can have a large order ready any time around lunchtime as long as it's called in in the morning." (dreamlogic, 4:37 CET)

"OK, stop sending payments. I've got enough for the pizza." (dreamlogic, 7:12 CET)

Television fans have always been taken for granted. For decades, network executives have been able to cancel shows and program freely knowing the ratings would still be there in the fall. "If we air it, they will watch" was the unofficial mantra. Sure, there were exceptions, most notably the campaign to save Star Trek from cancellation in the 1960s, but most efforts by fans to influence the network decision makers were swatted away with the assurance there would be no major repercussions.

Then came the Internet and its promise of being a social unifier. Fan websites of practically every show on television now exist and flourish, with legions of supporters. More importantly, these fans are intelligent, resourceful and persistent, making it harder for them to simply be ignored. And one of the largest collections of online fans belongs to Whedon, who created Angel and the short-lived Firefly as well as Buffy.

If anything, Whedon fans are resilient, have a "can-do" attitude and demonstrate an amazing ability to unify and expand their efforts. Thus four days after pizza was delivered to the front lines of striking writers, a new website was launched. Named Fans4Writers, it was started by members of whedonesque but had a larger purpose; as the website itself states, "It quickly became clear and necessary for the effort to encompass more than just a single group of fans. As such, Fans4Writers is not just for one fandom. It is not just for "˜genre' fans, television fans or movie fans. This effort belongs to fans of ALL striking writers."

It wasn't long before blogs and fansites for shows as diverse as 24, Battlestar Galactica, Las Vegas and The Unit added banners of support as well as links to Fans4Writers. New websites like Office Fans for Office Writers, set up by viewers of the NBC comedy, popped up on the Internet landscape. Criminal Minds Fanatic even auctioned off a can of beef stew autographed by the writers of Criminal Minds to benefit the staff of the CBS series who were adversely affected by the strike. Before anyone knew it, a full-fledged movement was apparently underway.

But it seems that movement was only slightly noticed by the mainstream media, and even then more by web-based offshoots of the mainstream like Scribe Vibe: Variety's WGA Strike Blog. It did, however, garner the attention of those it was supporting, and not just in a small way. Slightly over a week after the strike began, a group of television showrunners met to discuss the fan outpouring.

"The point of the meeting was that the WGA is aware of"”and a little blown away by"”the passion, tenacity, and organizational savvy of the online community," Joss Whedon himself posted on whedonesque. "The "˜Jericho' nuts are the stuff of legend. Whedonesque and the creation of Fans4Writers were spoken of in awed whispers."

The "stuff of legend" comment refers to the cancellation of the CBS freshman series this past May. Probably 99.99 percent of all fan-driven campaigns to save a cancelled show end in failure; Angel, after all, remained dead despite blood drives and a billboard truck patrolling the streets of downtown Los Angeles, and even a strategically-placed Ferris Wheel could not bring Everwood back. But fans of Jericho borrowed a page from Roswell (which has the distinction of being cancelled after each of its three seasons) and how it was rescued the first time when fans bombarded the WB with bottles of Tabasco sauce, a favorite of one of the show's characters. In the season final of Jericho, Skeet Ulrich shouts "Nuts" when confronted with a surrender ultimatum from a nearby town intent on overrunning his own. Fans rallied around that battle cry and in turn bombarded CBS with forty thousand pounds of peanuts. And guess what? It worked. Jericho will return at some point in 2008 with seven additional episodes.

The purpose of the meeting Whedon attended"”which reportedly involved showrunners Ron Moore (Battlestar Galactica), Shonda Rhimes (Grey's Anatomy), Rob McElhenney (It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia), Stephanie Savage (Gossip Girl), Carol Barbee (Jericho) and Bill Prady (The Big Bang Theory), among others"”was to find a way to tap into the fan's energy and utilize it to everybody's advantage. Thus a little over a week after the launch of Fans4Writers came Pencils2MediaMoguls, with the goal of sending pencils to the network and studio heads to show support for the striking writers. As of November 24th, two-hundred eighty thousand pencils had been purchased by television fans.

Can it make a difference? Can the fans truly have a say in this labor dispute? Only time will tell, but the movement has proven that television fans are not to be taken lightly nor are simply drones who will follow the dictates of network television. They are intelligent enough to understand the issues involved in this strike, imaginative enough to find ways to take a stand and strong enough to not be denied their due as an involved third-party in the raging conflict. Joss Whedon and the other showrunners who met on November 14, 2007, understood this, as the Whedon post on whedonesque demonstrates:

"There are no longer two sides to this struggle; there are three. The audience has a voice, and a right to be heard"¦. There was no one in that room who didn't understand that they were there BECAUSE OF YOU, because you guys have already proven yourselves not just dedicated fans but an active, forceful community. Take a moment to be all up in yourself. Now get over yourself. Now doubt yourself. Now hug yourself. Now touch your knee "“ Hah! Didn't say "˜Simon says.' Like, ever. FOOLS! It's you unauthorized-knee-touching fools who are proving that the internet is indeed the line in the sand ("˜"¦must be drawn Heah! This fah! No fuhther!'), for it's the one medium the congloms don't control. Televised news is largely ignoring us, the print media is eating Nick Counter's astonishing lies like candy they get paid to eat, but you upon the ether"¦ you haven't been silent and you can't be silenced. Go ahead. Touch that knee. Simon be damned."

Perhaps that is the greatest strength and true legacy of the current fan movement, and the role of online fandom in general: not so much to influence the network television suits but to merely support and stand behind the creators and writers whose shows resonate with viewers. Television is no longer simply about entertaining; shows like Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Battlestar Galactica, Jericho and even Grey's Anatomy define our times as much as anything. These shows debate issues of morality and tell stories that we all can relate, unite us as a community like no other medium and even help shape our lives.

The creators and writers of these shows, meanwhile, must maneuver their way through the upper echelons of network television, worry about overnight ratings and deal with the constant threat of cancellation. Movements like "Save Jericho" and the outpouring of support that Fans4Writers represents are ways for fans to let these scribes know their struggles may actually be worth something after all, and even energize them to continue onward.

It has yet to be seen if the Les Moonves or Rupert Murdochs of corporate America take notice of Pencils2MediaMoguls, but if the effort allows television fans to stand on the virtual front lines of the writer's strike, side-by-side with the likes of Joss Whedon, Ron Moore and Shonda Rhimes, that may in-and-of-itself generate enough synergy to alter the television landscape forever.

And that is a legacy worth striving for.

Copyright © 2007 by alterna-tv.com

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I found this one too.
Deadline Hollywood Daily ?

Dare We Hope A Deal Has Been Struck...?
MONDAY PM EXCLUSIVE REPORT: Today's Talks Productive: "Reasonableness Ruled The Day"

As the WGA strike begins its 4th week, I've been told positive news about today's resumption of contract talks between the writers and the producers. So positive, in fact, that I'm almost fearful to post it. But here goes: a very reliable source tells me that there appears to be a deal seemingly in place between both sides.

"It's already done, basically," the insider describes. That's because of the weeks worth of groundwork by the Hollywood agents working the writers guild leadership on one side, and the studio and network moguls on the other. I was told not to expect an agreement this week. But my source thought it was possible that the strike could be settled before Christmas.

Look, I don't want to raise false hope here. But this source has been very accurate in the past. The negotiations starting today will have a news blackout, so don't expect any significant leaks. But consider the real possibility there's been a breakthrough. Still, I must caution that this is Hollywood -- where defeat is snatched from the jaws of victory nearly every time.

Talks Restarted At Agent Bryan Lourd's Home After Weeks Of Quiet Backchannel
LET'S STRIKE A DEAL! Both Sides Agree To Go Back Into Talks
 
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Thanks for posting this link!
It was just on the news that the writers strike is over, nothing about the outcome though.
 
Are you guys sure? I know the stagehands strike on Broadway ended. Can't find any confirmation on the writers.
 
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