Xander & Spike in "Beneath You"

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In the scene where Buffy & Xander & Spike & Nancy confront Anya in the Bronze, after some awkward comments about exes, Nancy says "Has anyone here NOT slept together?!!!" and Xander and Spike share a look.

After 20+ years, I can't decide if the look means:
1. Longing for what might be;
2. Relief for what is still secret.

Thoughts?
 
Xander & Spike were together!? They had chemistry!?

This feels like headcanon to me...Xander hated every boyfriend Buffy had (except for like Riley)

He especially hated Spike.

I'd rather ship Spangel, they bicker like an old married couple. Lots of history and angst there...
 
There are more than a few people who ship Xander & Spike. IIRC - the ship-name is Spander.

You are correct. There is nothing shown that indicates Xander & Spike were ever a thing. Not even the infamous "Well there was that one time....."

Why would shippers like Spander? Enemies To Lovers. The oldest (and most popular) trope in existence. It was rocket fuel for Bangel and Spuffy.

And a couple of thousand other ships across a couple of hundred movies & TV shows.
 
Xander sang Spike's praises a little too much in season 5. I'm too lazy to look it up at the moment, but included him saying Spike was compact and well muscled (to show understanding to Buffy for having sex with Spike when it was actually the Buffybot).

It should be noted that he was one of the few (the only?) to follow Buffy's lead with Spike in season 7. He made his objection, but after Buffy said she didn't care he went along with it (and was even the one to suggest the trigger theory as a defense for why Spike was all murdery).


That aside, I just can't see Spander being a thing, at least in the TV show. But Xander was sick of being a demon magnet by s7 and even told Willow to gay him up, so maybe he was dreaming of Spander...and Xander could take a punch given that he did so for Buffy often enough so might handle the roughness of Spander.
 
Xander & Spike were together!? They had chemistry!?

This feels like headcanon to me...Xander hated every boyfriend Buffy had (except for like Riley)

He especially hated Spike.

I'd rather ship Spangel, they bicker like an old married couple. Lots of history and angst there...
There's quite a bit of Spander fic out there.

I mean, Joss contemplated making Xander gay. And then you think back to his comment in s5 about Spike being 'mysterious' and 'compact but well muscled'. 🤣
 
This feels like headcanon to me...Xander hated every boyfriend Buffy had (except for like Riley)

He especially hated Spike.

Actually, Xander was far more accepting of Spike than he's generally given credit for. As @thrasherpix mentioned, he notes that Spike is attractive in Intervention (to the extent that Buffy says she's starting to suspect that Xander is in love with Spike), something that Buffy herself had never commented on. Most of the time, he accepted Spike. Oddly so, in fact, which might be part of the reason for the popularity of Spike/Xander.

But regarding the look, I don't think it indicated they had done anything, only them both thinking "Um..." at the same time.
 
In the scene where Buffy & Xander & Spike & Nancy confront Anya in the Bronze, after some awkward comments about exes, Nancy says "Has anyone here NOT slept together?!!!" and Xander and Spike share a look.

After 20+ years, I can't decide if the look means:
1. Longing for what might be;
2. Relief for what is still secret.

Thoughts?
I always thought it was a funny way of them being relieved that they hadn't slept together. If it's ever revealed that it was meant to insinuate that they had, I would probably die of shock, given Xander's hatred of Spike.
 
BaskingINBangel
BaskingINBangel
Yeah, I always thought this as well.
All the ships that have any traction have moments fic writers point to... To justify their ship. I see it as pointing to flexibility of mind but although i write slash, there are only a few same sex ships or sexual interactions for which there is real canon evidence -

a) confirmed in canon, (willow and tara, willow and Kennedy)

b) referred to by one or more of the parties (Angel & Spike) "that one time" (and a groupsex refeeence in Angel i cant trace right now)

c) confirmed by Joss: Ethan and Giles (which can also be logically inferred from Giles mentioning orgies at which there is only one woman)

d) suggested by logic - Andrew and Jonathan in bed together, Andrew's repeated dreaminess & super-attachment to men in canon (Warren, Jonathan, Spike)
note: i see *no* evidence for reciprocity other than Jonathan (probably) - but situational same gender sex does not make people gay, just desperate ex. prison sex. Pretty sure Andrew is gay. Jonathan could be gay or bisexual or heteroflexible. Warren is simply a sleazoid predator.
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Justification moments (no actual proof but in a couple instances you can see why people see it)

Xander ( Angel or Spike)
He expressed "verbal appreciation" of both Angel and Spike as attractive. While not confirmatory, it is a bit unusual for a man to express verbally the attractiveness of other men.
The early references are probably before they decided that Willow would be the gay one

Buffy & Faith.
There is a physical intensity to their fights and some of their conversations that feels very sexual - especially to thoae who want it.

Giles and Ethan
Years before Joss said it, their in your face 'i wanna kiss you violently ("have sex with you" very hard) arguments/fights. There is one instance if they filmed it today, i am sure they would have kissed.
That conversation in the restaurant where Ethan appears to flirt with Giles before we realize there is a waitress he is hitting on - feels very much as if the director is "showing while hiding" the reality.

Vampires
More in Angel than in Buffy there are allusions to group sex between Angel, Darla, Dru & Spike. There is no reason to believe vampires care about human conventions - they have the code of "want, take, have.' Not neat morality boxes made by a society that wants to kill them. Excluded groups often indulge in more extreme behaviour because they feel they have nothing to lose. Vampires add power of being top predators to that outsider mindset. They are outlaw.

I personally dont believe vampires are forced to be exclusively straight or gay unless they really want to be. As violence is the rule in vampire society, "mastery" (rape) by the dominant over the less powerful (any gender) would likely be common as it is in places like prisons and to a degree in militaries over history to the present.
 
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My theory is they did sleep together, well in the same bed that is, when Spike was staying in the basement with Xander. So that look they gave each other was a nod to that.

Do vampires sleep? If they do, wouldn't it be during the day?
 
Joan the Vampire Slayer
Joan the Vampire Slayer
Could have been. And Spike definitely sleeps.
I wouldn't be surprised if they'd been together. After all, they had that basement...

Headcanon takes on a whole new meaning now. 😄

maybe Xander's into men that wear Hawaiian shirts. Sorry if I offended any Spuffy x Xander fans! Though personally the thought of a bleached bald headed vamp in a hawaiian shirt...not very tempting to me 🥲
 
Do vampires sleep?
Traditionally, during the day. Angel always has a bed to sleep shirtless in, until he got fat. Spike had a bed.

The question should be, if vampires need to sleep. I would contend they do, if they need to feed or face permanent damage to their higher brain functions, then their brains likely need rest as well.
 
SavvyScoobie
SavvyScoobie
I do remember Spike sleeping a bunch
The question should be, if vampires need to sleep.

Yes; that's what I meant, I just didn't phrase it correctly. @Joan the Vampire Slayer I would assume that, even if he didn't need to sleep, Spike would do so because he enjoyed it. This is, after all, the vampire that smokes and eats curries. And, of course, that onion thing.
 
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