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Uncle Rory

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The following anecdote may be true or it may be an urban legend - I could not confirm.

In the 1970's there was a great western called "The Cowboys" with John Wayne. The story of a Texas cattle rancher who has to turn to hiring school boys to drive his cattle to market when the majority of men in his town head west to California to get in on the gold rush.

The cows are stolen and John Wayne is killed by bandits and their leader played by Bruce Dern. The young boys, now experienced after months on the trail take up arms and hunt down and kill the bandits.

In real life it was years before Bruce Dern could leave his home without fearing retribution from the public as many (one would assume NORMAL folk) kept accussing him of KILLING JOHN WAYNE. He would get beat up regularly.

A similar story has also been atributed to Ernest Borgnine. He was also accosted due to the antics of one of his characters. These stories have always led me to believe that there are many people out there that have a hard time making the destinction between REALITY and FANTASY. Add in the transformation of a Monkey's sideman into President of the USA (Ronald Ray Gun) and my theory starts gaining some steam.

Fast forward 30 years or so and we come to the type of entertainment we have been seeing for the last decade, specifically since 9/11. And what about the public's perception and / or opinions which may or may not be influenced by that programming?

We live in a world where people who 10 years ago would have been considered CRAZY CONSPIRACY THEORISTS are now respected as being current and topical. Micheal Moore's psuedo-documentary Farenheit 9/11 is considered by some (not me) to be the Holy Grail slash Smoking Gun slash Bible of Bush's implicit guilt in the falling of the twin towers and hatred and racism are more rampant than ever.

I was thinking about all of this while I watched Season 5 of 24 this weekend. I pray that no one anywhere around the world has formed their opinions of the US system based on the corruption of President Logan from 24 season 5 but I have a sneaky suspicion that they have. SAD, SAD, SAD.

I have no point here, just a warning - Be careful of how you let the entertainment you are watching influence your opinions and perspective of the world. It's entertainment, and like sports it really doesn't matter. The survival of a show like Dollhouse one way or another won't put bread on the table of a lower income family, and the outcome of the Stanley Cup or Super bowl won't make or change foreign policy. Just because they made a Docu-drama on the subject doesn't mean that the opinions they are pushing are 100% true. (And in the case of Farenheit 9/11 there have been 3 or 4 films made just to debunk the lies in that one film)

And if there is anything to be learned on this site it may be DON'T TRUST FOX (or any network for that matter) which we all learned because of the FIREFLY debacle. The same can be said for their news coverage - but I'll let you make up your own minds - is the program you are watching depicting the world in a balanced way or are they biased? I hope you actually THOUGHT about it as oppossed just swallowing the info you are given via News, Entertainment OR word of mouth.

My 2 cents.
Uncle Rory
 
People definitely shouldn't let 24 influence their beliefs. I truly enjoy the show, but the real world doesn't work anything like the world we see in 24 (and if you want proof, just try driving across Los Angeles and see if it takes you ten minutes to get wherever you're going as it seems to for Jack Bauer).

FOX News gets worse and worse all the time. I don't even think they try to pretend they're fair anymore (as evidenced by the fact that they didn't bother replacing Alan Colmes). In fairness though, the other News networks aren't really much better.
 
Well, I for one cannot think for myself, I basically believe everything I read, and everything I am told by the telly box.
 
we are the collective conciousness of the tv addicts.... sorry master i will stop writing now.... *square eyes*
 
Revolver agrees: And I believe everything I

I didn't even press enter and somehow I got cut off! I was going to say, "And I believe everything I read on Buffy Boards."
 
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Kali
especially in Drogyn...PP, my sweet. PP.
As far as news networks, etc go...I'm guessing people tend to watch/read whatever news source reinforces their worldview, avoid that which doesn't. Some people are gonna see Fox as grossly biased, others MSNBC and CNN, etc, right?

I don't have cable, but I visit my parents (who do) and I honestly get worried cos they watch so much TV news. Regardless of any political slant, seems like there's just tons of gratuitous, tabloidy garbage there, in addition to all the depressing info.
 
Not so easy to get anyone talking on this thread. Is that because everyone thinks I'm nuts? I can live with that. Am I the only person who sees a correlation between what people watch and what they do and think?

Down here in Mexico the main attraction is the TeleNovela or Soap Opera. They are beyond SAD. And the behaviour that I see on these shows is exactly that which the people act out in their real lives execpt everyone is poorer and darker skinned than the folks on TV. Infidelity, crime and double dealing back stabbing seem to be the norm everywhere. So is the TV a relection of Society or is Society copying what they see on TV?

Uncle Rory
 
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itsxpaperdoll
I don't think you're nuts! I think you're right. But maybe I'm nuts.. Who knows ;)
The Dutch equivalent of the Daily Mail is going to start a broadcasting company thingy. But apart from that, the Dutch media always have been relatively unpartial. That's why it's so funny (but at the same time also a bit sad) to look at the American media for example. Although the Dutch seem to be giving in to the trend (like they always do), in a recent crime series, every single offender, of any kind, seems to be Morrocan or Turkish.

It's funny, btw, how people can confuse TV or film with real life. But on the other hand, people seem really eager to blame all the bad that's going on in the world on TV. You know that guy who killed three babies and a guardian in a Belgian nursery? He had painted his face and everyone sort of blamed Heath Ledger's Joker.
 
Not so easy to get anyone talking on this thread. Is that because everyone thinks I'm nuts? I can live with that. Am I the only person who sees a correlation between what people watch and what they do and think?

Oh I deffo see a correlation. But you can't force people out of their opiated stupor to actually READ some literature that will give them the breadth of opinion they require to make informed decisions. TV is just soooo easy. Without wanting to support the 'effects' model of the media on audiences, it does seem that the dumbing down of TV and the huge expansion of channels makes it too much bloody hard work to find informed debate and get a balanced view. If it's pumped at you in TV's version of junk food, you will consume it because it is easy. It's got to the stage I can't watch any tv at all now, apart from the 'quality' end of the cult genre, and as you rightly point out with 24, sometimes even that is sodding ludicrous. I remember distinctly going off The West Wing (which I adored) after 9/11, as it all got a bit 'God Bless America', which it hadn't been overtly before.

It's why I never watch ITV here in the UK and live in the land of the Sci-Fi channel, refusing to admit reality tv shows and the 'strictly come poorly nourished with ageing junk food/DIY celebrities with ice skates beating a bad dog in an unclean BB house' progs exist. My paper shop doesn't sell Hello, Heat, The Sun or The Mail, at least not the way I back in sideways with one eye shut, and in my suburban middle class ghetto, we all go to church on sunday. If I keep my head down long enough, all the stupid people will go away and leave me alone to write, bake and spend all day on the internet.

Anyone else want to come in my bubble? It's quite spacious...
 
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Revolver
How much is bubble rent?
The cows are stolen and John Wayne is killed by bandits and their leader played by Bruce Dern.

In real life it was years before Bruce Dern could leave his home without fearing retribution from the public as many (one would assume NORMAL folk) kept accussing him of KILLING JOHN WAYNE. He would get beat up regularly.

Add in the transformation of a Monkey's sideman into President of the USA (Ronald Ray Gun) and my theory starts gaining some steam.

We live in a world where people who 10 years ago would have been considered CRAZY CONSPIRACY THEORISTS are now respected as being current and topical. Micheal Moore's psuedo-documentary Farenheit 9/11 is considered by some (not me) to be the Holy Grail slash Smoking Gun slash Bible of Bush's implicit guilt in the falling of the twin towers and hatred and racism are more rampant than ever.


The same can be said for their news coverage - but I'll let you make up your own minds - is the program you are watching depicting the world in a balanced way or are they biased? I hope you actually THOUGHT about it as oppossed just swallowing the info you are given via News, Entertainment OR word of mouth.

My 2 cents.
Uncle Rory

You have a few inaccuracies here.

First off, Bruce Dern didn't just kill the Duke, he shot him after the big guy had just beaten the snot out of him in front of the boys and Bruce's own gang. And people didn't beat him up for that, they did it just because he was such a bad actor.

Secondly, Bonzo was nost certainly NOT a monkey, he was a chimp, and to call him a monkey is an insult to chimps everywhere. You should apologize.

Aside from that, you pretty much hit the target. Michael Moore would climb a tree just to tell a lie when he could stand flat footed and tell the truth. And news programs report the news, not the facts or even necessarily the truth.
 
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Uncle Rory
I do aploogize - The Monkey was Ronald himself.
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