Your reaction seeing "Passion" for the first time
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Hi! I'm new on this board.
I'm re-watching the series after a few years of abstinence ^^ last time I had watched some episodes of the whole series, I was still doing some English studies!!😉
I 'm about to finish Season 2. So I saw this episode last weekend and I was still pretty shaken by it, so much that I felt a bit down and cranky afterwards! ^^🙁
I absolutely love this episode, from beginning to end. This season is my favourite, mind you, so there are many episodes that I love, but this one must be on the top of the list.
every time, I am as frightened as Jenny when she runs in the school. I've got mixed feelings at that point. I feel like this is unreal, that Angelus can't chase her or that he is not going to hurt her and at the same time, I know that this is for real but I still hope that she's going to make it! Poor Jenny!🙁
And of course, I am shaken by Giles finding Jenny on the bed and by Willow crying with Buffy unable to believe what's happened on hearing the news!!!
Maybe you'll think this is weird of me to think that but I'm actually amazed by the way Angelus "stages" everything minutely.
At that point, I realize what a psychopath he is, since everything is staged so perfectly!
When Giles arrives at home and finds the roses and the champagne with the opera music really loud, I'm shaken by all that and I' m all sad for Giles but at the same, I can't help noticing all the little things that Angelus thought of for this death bed scene! I mean, he even had the time to draw a picture of Jenny! this is the kind of "set up" that real psychos could do!😱 This is too much, too "romantic". At some level, deep down, Giles should have realized that Jenny couldn't have done all this, like putting petals of roses on the stairs! and at that point, you realize how thorough Angelus is and how mental he is!!!😱
we already had a preview of that in Innocence with the death of Jenny's uncle! but in some way, that scene wasn't that unique! you see this kind of scene in many movies or series with the blood on the walls, whereas here with Jenny's death scene, we have something unusual and very dark!!!😱 He's a real baddie because even Spike wouldn't have thought of doing that kind of set-up!
So yes, this episode is really amazing. Everything is good, the acting, the theme of the episode with Angelus' monologue, the way it was filmed, Angelus' dark side and creepy stalking, Jenny's death, the emotional scenes, the fight between Angel + Buffy!!! man, he even laughs when she's beating him up!! how annoying is that!!!
I'm re-watching the series after a few years of abstinence ^^ last time I had watched some episodes of the whole series, I was still doing some English studies!!😉
I 'm about to finish Season 2. So I saw this episode last weekend and I was still pretty shaken by it, so much that I felt a bit down and cranky afterwards! ^^🙁
I absolutely love this episode, from beginning to end. This season is my favourite, mind you, so there are many episodes that I love, but this one must be on the top of the list.
every time, I am as frightened as Jenny when she runs in the school. I've got mixed feelings at that point. I feel like this is unreal, that Angelus can't chase her or that he is not going to hurt her and at the same time, I know that this is for real but I still hope that she's going to make it! Poor Jenny!🙁
And of course, I am shaken by Giles finding Jenny on the bed and by Willow crying with Buffy unable to believe what's happened on hearing the news!!!
Maybe you'll think this is weird of me to think that but I'm actually amazed by the way Angelus "stages" everything minutely.
At that point, I realize what a psychopath he is, since everything is staged so perfectly!
When Giles arrives at home and finds the roses and the champagne with the opera music really loud, I'm shaken by all that and I' m all sad for Giles but at the same, I can't help noticing all the little things that Angelus thought of for this death bed scene! I mean, he even had the time to draw a picture of Jenny! this is the kind of "set up" that real psychos could do!😱 This is too much, too "romantic". At some level, deep down, Giles should have realized that Jenny couldn't have done all this, like putting petals of roses on the stairs! and at that point, you realize how thorough Angelus is and how mental he is!!!😱
we already had a preview of that in Innocence with the death of Jenny's uncle! but in some way, that scene wasn't that unique! you see this kind of scene in many movies or series with the blood on the walls, whereas here with Jenny's death scene, we have something unusual and very dark!!!😱 He's a real baddie because even Spike wouldn't have thought of doing that kind of set-up!
So yes, this episode is really amazing. Everything is good, the acting, the theme of the episode with Angelus' monologue, the way it was filmed, Angelus' dark side and creepy stalking, Jenny's death, the emotional scenes, the fight between Angel + Buffy!!! man, he even laughs when she's beating him up!! how annoying is that!!!
cemeterybabe
Cookie Dough
Honestly I was super depressed about Jenny's death. She is not my favorite character, but I think if she stayed in the show a little longer I would. It was more of I thought her and Giles were really adorable together, so that is the main reason I started to like her. Bottom line is when I saw "Passion" I was very surprised at her death and like someone said I was hoping Buffy would save her at the last minute but that did not happened.
BladeRunner2007
Party in my eye socket
It was extremely shocking, heartbreaking and depressing. Jenny's death and Giles finding her upstairs still gets me every single time.
spikeluvr185
Lawyer at Wolfram & Hart
I didn't watch Buffywhile it aired, I watched it online years later. Going into the episode I had no idea what it was about, but I remember the minute Angel's voice-over began I knew that this episode was going to be big and it was going to be some kind of turning point. Something huge was going to happen.
I, like several other people here, hoped and thought that Buffy was going to save Jenny just in the nick of time. The first time I watched the show, I didn't really care about Jenny that much. She was a character who was just sort of there. I knew she had significance, and I didn't dislike her, I just always focused more on the characters I had already grown to love, and Spike. But when Angelus finally caught up to her and snapped her neck, by jaw dropped and I was frozen. I pretty sure I stopped breathing. I stayed like that the rest of the episode. I don't even think I blinked. Watching Giles go up the stairs, knowing what he was about to find put me on the verge of tears (Granted, this was back when I thought it was wimpy to cry during TV shows, so the fact that I was even close to crying was a pretty big deal.). When Buffy and Willow got the phone call, and the audience only sees their reaction from outside the window, that was the moment I really knew there was no going back. Buffy had to kill Angel. This season was not going to have a happy ending.
Slightly off topic, after rewatching Season 2 god knows how many times, I've grown to like Jenny more. She's still not one of my favorites-- not even close-- but I like the way she interacts with the group and her cute relationship with Giles. There have been times when I've watched this episode and sobbed.
I, like several other people here, hoped and thought that Buffy was going to save Jenny just in the nick of time. The first time I watched the show, I didn't really care about Jenny that much. She was a character who was just sort of there. I knew she had significance, and I didn't dislike her, I just always focused more on the characters I had already grown to love, and Spike. But when Angelus finally caught up to her and snapped her neck, by jaw dropped and I was frozen. I pretty sure I stopped breathing. I stayed like that the rest of the episode. I don't even think I blinked. Watching Giles go up the stairs, knowing what he was about to find put me on the verge of tears (Granted, this was back when I thought it was wimpy to cry during TV shows, so the fact that I was even close to crying was a pretty big deal.). When Buffy and Willow got the phone call, and the audience only sees their reaction from outside the window, that was the moment I really knew there was no going back. Buffy had to kill Angel. This season was not going to have a happy ending.
Slightly off topic, after rewatching Season 2 god knows how many times, I've grown to like Jenny more. She's still not one of my favorites-- not even close-- but I like the way she interacts with the group and her cute relationship with Giles. There have been times when I've watched this episode and sobbed.
AbraxasP3
Townie
"Passion" is probably (for me) one of the most painful episodes to watch, if not THE most painful. I am currently re-watching the series for the 3rd go-around & "Passion" doesn't get any easier for me, and here's why: I LOVE Jenny Calendar. Her character is (if I remember correctly) first introduced in one of my all-time faves, "I, Robot...You Jane." The first time Jenny & Giles talk about the supernatural, I got the feeling that Jenny was a serious foe of some kind. Obviously, we find out later that to some extent, she is. However, and I can't stress this enough -- I love the character of Jenny Calendar. Robia LaMorte did an amazing job in my opinion of bringing that character to life. I really like the vibe that Jenny's character brought to the series - her character was serious and yet tender. She was definitely a force to be reckoned with and she represented a teacher that was solid & there for the kids - both academically and emotionally. I felt myself looking forward to her story line. This may sound strange, but I know Buffy has a big gay following - I'm gay and from what I've read, a great deal of gay viewers identified with and enjoyed the Jenny character. I can't put my finger on the real reason, but I know that I really appreciate how her character is very tolerant. To me, it just seems like you could throw any subject at Jenny and she would not only understand but appreciate that person for who they were. It definitely helps that her character was so technologically advanced.
Anyways, because of how much I appreciate the character of Jenny Calendar, "Passion" was extremely painful and I mean that. I remember the first time I watched it that I had to stop my DVD player and sort of digest what had happened before I could go on to the next episode. The rest of the episode didn't have much of an impact on me -- I just really hated that Robia LaMorte was no longer going to be on the show. I particularly enjoyed her depiction of that character and her chemistry with Anthony Stewart Head. Having said all this, Buffy is a powerful show & the reason for that is because the writing is both passionate, confronting, & addicting.
The silver lining was of course that Jenny's work on Angel's soul wasn't lost forever. When that 3 1/2 inch floppy disk falls in between those file cabinets, it's a true taste of what's to come.
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And actually, as far as the series goes, Robia LaMorte was REALLY able to inject an addicting dash of intelligent humor. Although there is a great deal of witty banter in the series, Jenny's character brought a true sophistication to that. I enjoyed her immensely when she was with the Scoobies due to Robia LaMorte's ability to act; her expressions and mannerisms alone really sold a lot of the dialogue.
And...I've come to realize that the only person who even fills her shoes later on is Emma Caulfield as Anya. Mr. Whedon obviously recognized Caulfield's potential as an actress & she was able to deliver more laughs than anybody else in the cast (in my opinion). Of course, she gets murdered in "Chosen" and I really f***ing hate that even more than Jenny's death honestly. I totally realize that the show needed to go out with a bang but I felt that her character was way too strong to lose in such a rushed manner. But then again, it made the experience of watching that episode a lot more emotional and that is definitely what a series finale needs to be.
I haven't read all the comics yet but another reason I am bummed that Jenny (and Anya) are dead is because I think they would have made amazing comic book characters.
Anyways, because of how much I appreciate the character of Jenny Calendar, "Passion" was extremely painful and I mean that. I remember the first time I watched it that I had to stop my DVD player and sort of digest what had happened before I could go on to the next episode. The rest of the episode didn't have much of an impact on me -- I just really hated that Robia LaMorte was no longer going to be on the show. I particularly enjoyed her depiction of that character and her chemistry with Anthony Stewart Head. Having said all this, Buffy is a powerful show & the reason for that is because the writing is both passionate, confronting, & addicting.
The silver lining was of course that Jenny's work on Angel's soul wasn't lost forever. When that 3 1/2 inch floppy disk falls in between those file cabinets, it's a true taste of what's to come.
---------- Post added at 11:56 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:29 PM ----------
And actually, as far as the series goes, Robia LaMorte was REALLY able to inject an addicting dash of intelligent humor. Although there is a great deal of witty banter in the series, Jenny's character brought a true sophistication to that. I enjoyed her immensely when she was with the Scoobies due to Robia LaMorte's ability to act; her expressions and mannerisms alone really sold a lot of the dialogue.
And...I've come to realize that the only person who even fills her shoes later on is Emma Caulfield as Anya. Mr. Whedon obviously recognized Caulfield's potential as an actress & she was able to deliver more laughs than anybody else in the cast (in my opinion). Of course, she gets murdered in "Chosen" and I really f***ing hate that even more than Jenny's death honestly. I totally realize that the show needed to go out with a bang but I felt that her character was way too strong to lose in such a rushed manner. But then again, it made the experience of watching that episode a lot more emotional and that is definitely what a series finale needs to be.
I haven't read all the comics yet but another reason I am bummed that Jenny (and Anya) are dead is because I think they would have made amazing comic book characters.
MandyByken
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Oh my gosh!! I love this episode.
I remember being so in love with Angel, even more so with Angelus. I loved Cordelia and her thing about her car, and Xanders reaction about how vampires never chip in for gas. I absolutely LOVED the Angelus Joyce scene, especially when he is trying to 'help' put the groceries back in the bag and he completely misses! Joyce's reaction to him telling her he and Buffy slept together. I was so scared for Joyce, I thought she was going to die, and then BAM! he can't get in anymore! That was wicked awesome. Willow's fish. The interaction between Angelus and Jenny was amazing. I loved it. When he killed her I wasn't too sad or shocked. She wasn't a character I liked very much, in fact I didn't trust her very much to begin with. But Giles, I was gutted for him. I wanted to stop him from going up the stairs being so very happy. Every time I hear that song in real life now I get so sad. Then when he went bad ass and buffy punching Giles and their heart to heart. I was in tears the whole time. And as someone else mentioned, I was overwhelmingly concerned with them never finding the disc.
Nerd that I am, I immediately went and memorized the passion speech. I loved the episode so much. It still guts me every time.
I remember being so in love with Angel, even more so with Angelus. I loved Cordelia and her thing about her car, and Xanders reaction about how vampires never chip in for gas. I absolutely LOVED the Angelus Joyce scene, especially when he is trying to 'help' put the groceries back in the bag and he completely misses! Joyce's reaction to him telling her he and Buffy slept together. I was so scared for Joyce, I thought she was going to die, and then BAM! he can't get in anymore! That was wicked awesome. Willow's fish. The interaction between Angelus and Jenny was amazing. I loved it. When he killed her I wasn't too sad or shocked. She wasn't a character I liked very much, in fact I didn't trust her very much to begin with. But Giles, I was gutted for him. I wanted to stop him from going up the stairs being so very happy. Every time I hear that song in real life now I get so sad. Then when he went bad ass and buffy punching Giles and their heart to heart. I was in tears the whole time. And as someone else mentioned, I was overwhelmingly concerned with them never finding the disc.
Nerd that I am, I immediately went and memorized the passion speech. I loved the episode so much. It still guts me every time.
Cordy_Chase
Tact is just not saying true stuff. I'll pass.
The entire Angelus saga was amazing to the point where it drove me crazy waiting to see how he would get his soul back.
The 'Passion' episode was absolutely brilliant from the beginning monologue by Angelus about how passion is our captor to the moment he snapped Jenny's neck.
The portrayal of Angelus in that episode was a sick, twisted brilliance that showed that even as a soulless demon he had some humanity in it's most sickening form. The scene between Angelus and Joyce where he plays the heartbroken desperate dumped boyfriend is the most chilling, how he is able to do a flawless impression of Angel. The pleasure of torturing his victim's the thing which makes him most dangerous, portrayed here as it is pointed out later in season 3.
One of my favorite moments in the episode is when Willow points out that although Angelus was very much nothing like Angel the one thing that had not changed was that "You're still all he thinks about". I love how his obsession with Buffy had basically been like two sides of a Penny that had now been flipped over so instead of looking at the Lincoln Memorial you are looking at Lincoln himself. Passion in both it's most beautiful and it's more sickening forms.
(And I used some form of the word sick in a bit too much in this bit but it's the most fitting word).
That spark of hope in Jenny's last moments, when she was near prepared with the ritual to restore Angel's soul only to have him bust in and destroy it was the most intense moment. This is going to sound terrible but I loved her death, the twisted compassion in the way he held her right before he snapped her neck and the moment is so fast and sudden that it makes your heart jump.
Watching poor Giles enter his home to find what appears to be a surprise romantic evening set up is already heartbreaking from the moment the scene begins knowing how he'll find her. I was in shivers the entire slow segment where he's following the rose peddles up the stairs. Then the scene where he calls Buffy to share the news was shot so beautifully of she and Willow shown through the window without audio shattering over the news in slower motion. My heart was heavy watching that moment.
By the end my thought was when the floppy disk carrying Angel's soul fell out of sight in beneath the desk, that it was too late now. It seemed after this terrible act that there was no chance of redemption now. This had been the ultimate betrayal. I am glad to have been wrong, at least for now.
The 'Passion' episode was absolutely brilliant from the beginning monologue by Angelus about how passion is our captor to the moment he snapped Jenny's neck.
The portrayal of Angelus in that episode was a sick, twisted brilliance that showed that even as a soulless demon he had some humanity in it's most sickening form. The scene between Angelus and Joyce where he plays the heartbroken desperate dumped boyfriend is the most chilling, how he is able to do a flawless impression of Angel. The pleasure of torturing his victim's the thing which makes him most dangerous, portrayed here as it is pointed out later in season 3.
One of my favorite moments in the episode is when Willow points out that although Angelus was very much nothing like Angel the one thing that had not changed was that "You're still all he thinks about". I love how his obsession with Buffy had basically been like two sides of a Penny that had now been flipped over so instead of looking at the Lincoln Memorial you are looking at Lincoln himself. Passion in both it's most beautiful and it's more sickening forms.
(And I used some form of the word sick in a bit too much in this bit but it's the most fitting word).
That spark of hope in Jenny's last moments, when she was near prepared with the ritual to restore Angel's soul only to have him bust in and destroy it was the most intense moment. This is going to sound terrible but I loved her death, the twisted compassion in the way he held her right before he snapped her neck and the moment is so fast and sudden that it makes your heart jump.
Watching poor Giles enter his home to find what appears to be a surprise romantic evening set up is already heartbreaking from the moment the scene begins knowing how he'll find her. I was in shivers the entire slow segment where he's following the rose peddles up the stairs. Then the scene where he calls Buffy to share the news was shot so beautifully of she and Willow shown through the window without audio shattering over the news in slower motion. My heart was heavy watching that moment.
By the end my thought was when the floppy disk carrying Angel's soul fell out of sight in beneath the desk, that it was too late now. It seemed after this terrible act that there was no chance of redemption now. This had been the ultimate betrayal. I am glad to have been wrong, at least for now.
white avenger
white avenger
Like just about everyone else, I hated to see Jenny die, but the thing that has stayed with me the longest is the part about Giles going home to get his "special weapons" and all that it turned out to be was a baseball bat and a can of gas. I was expecting a magic sword or a rapid fire crossbow at the very least. Then again, maybe Sunnydale had a ban on assault crossbows because they could kill so many vamps without reloading.
And just in case you think that I wasn't serious about the assault crossbow...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMNiaq-awNw
And just in case you think that I wasn't serious about the assault crossbow...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMNiaq-awNw
Cordy_Chase
Tact is just not saying true stuff. I'll pass.
He does upgrade. In season 3 the Christmas episode when Angel goes to Giles for help, Giles distrusting of Angel after he was tortured by him produces a crossbow before inviting him in.
Himiko
Potential
He has a crossbow at the factory as well- he shoots Angel with the crossbow before coming in with the baseball bat.
I assumed that he had other weapons with him, but got caught up in beating the crap out of the man who murdered his girlfriend and set up the scenario at his flat to actually take advantage of them. He doesn't go to stake Angelus when he's down on the ground, just carries on hitting him- I don't think Giles is functioning at his intellectual best here, or he would have organised back up.
I assumed that he had other weapons with him, but got caught up in beating the crap out of the man who murdered his girlfriend and set up the scenario at his flat to actually take advantage of them. He doesn't go to stake Angelus when he's down on the ground, just carries on hitting him- I don't think Giles is functioning at his intellectual best here, or he would have organised back up.