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[yellowcrayon]

Cordelia Chase* agrees: oF COURSE BUT EVERYONE IS LOOKING AT IT AS THEY ARE READY TO WATCH HIM FAIL.

Have you ever heard the phrase "Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst?" You need to look at the candidates and the elected officials etc. with cynicism, as opposed to optimism. It's so much easier to have your hopes and dreams dashed to pieces, and it's so much better to have your fears not come to pass. I would be just as cynical with McCain as I would with Obama. The danger here is for people to get too comfortable and forget to do serious critical thinking and analysis. It's a far too common trait to just relax once the candidate that one voted for got elected. Instead, one must be ever vigilant.

 

[JenniferAlice]

I LIKE WRITING IN CAPS TOO. IT'S FUN.

 

[Skanky Vamp]

im not worried about that. Im worried about the economy. We have less workers because of it which puts more pressure on the ones that are left. WHich im sure its like that everywhere...but still

Doesnt socialized healthcare both directly and indirectly affect the economy though?

 

[Cordelia Chase*]

Have you ever heard the phrase "Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst?" You need to look at the candidates and the elected officials etc. with cynicism, as opposed to optimism. It's so much easier to have your hopes and dreams dashed to pieces,

I understand that. Im not saying Im all cheery and smilies. Im just saying the biggest thing I want to see get fixed or somewhat beeter is the economy issues. The econmy may even get worse before it gets better....but thats one of the main things that I think most people are looking at.
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Doesnt socialized healthcare both directly and indirectly affect the economy though?

yes it does but with people getting laid off left and right and not able to privide it wont do much help.

yellowcrayon agrees: And so you place your absolute trust into this man to do that without giving his plans a critical analysis?


I dont absolutely trust him im saying thats what I want to see get better. Even if it was McCain I would want to see the same.

 

[Skanky Vamp]

Well, depending on the speed in which socialized healthcare comes about, I may in fact be 'laid off' so.. how does THAT help the economy? In fact, there could be quite a few people in my industry in trouble as a result of this.

 

[white avenger]

WELL AS HE SAID CHANGE ISNT GOING TO HAPPEN OVERNIGHT AL.

It'll be interesting to see just how much change happens during his term in office. Maybe all of his pre-election rhetoric was completely sincere, but it has to be remembered that the President's authority is nowhere near as great as most people believe it to be. Unless Congress, good ol' "Business As Usual" Congress, chooses to put a bill on Obama's desk for signature, there is no change, no innovation, no "new direction." Hopefully, Obama will get enough co-operation from Congress to make some constructive, useful changes in the way the US does business, but I don't plan to hold my breath waiting on miracles. The two choices presented to us in this election were at best poor, and I honestly have my doubts as to whether our new President is the better of the two evils presented to us, but we can still hope...

 

[Blackloliita]

It's so wonderful to see all white people cry and be happy and all that about it. No racism, that's good.

Anyway, so we were debating about it in class too... Some pupils say they are wondering how long it'll take before he'll be dead, by for example the Ku Kluxclan..., but I mean why should they? Bush is also still alive. Does he really have much more chance than Bush to die?

 

[Cordelia Chase*]

Well some people said they think he'll be assassinated because hes black. And most pepole dont want a African American to be president.

 

[Skanky Vamp]

Oh please! I remember people saying that Clinton (Bill) would be assassinated because he was too much like JFK. Obama will not be assassinated, nor should he be. There were plenty of Presidents that sucked before him and they were never assassinated. I mean the last President even CLOSE to an assassination attempt was the Gipper and he was a wonderful Pres.

 

[The Ferg]

I'm glad he won. Mainly because McCain seems like another Bush to me. Or well, just another Republican, but yeah.

EDIT: I also think Obama's gonna help with religious intolerance, and racism.

 

[StuckinTraffic]

It'll be interesting to see just how much change happens during his term in office. Maybe all of his pre-election rhetoric was completely sincere, but it has to be remembered that the President's authority is nowhere near as great as most people believe it to be. Unless Congress, good ol' "Business As Usual" Congress, chooses to put a bill on Obama's desk for signature, there is no change, no innovation, no "new direction." Hopefully, Obama will get enough co-operation from Congress to make some constructive, useful changes in the way the US does business, but I don't plan to hold my breath waiting on miracles. The two choices presented to us in this election were at best poor, and I honestly have my doubts as to whether our new President is the better of the two evils presented to us, but we can still hope...

Damn, I was going to type a comment and hit the Enter button too quickly!

Perfect example: Hillary's healthcare initiative when Bill was in office....didn't have Congressional backing and they couldn't make it fly.

 

[Washburne]

Obama will not be assassinated, nor should he be. There were plenty of Presidents that sucked before him and they were never assassinated.

I doubt that most people that are "afraid" of assinations don´t worry about his skill as President being the reason...

 

[Edmund Blackadder]

WELL AS HE SAID CHANGE ISNT GOING TO HAPPEN OVERNIGHT AL.


AND EVERYONE GO ON WIKIPEDIA AND PLEASE READ ABOUT HIM AND HIS MANY ACCOMPLISHMENTS. tHEN U CAN SAY WHAT U WANT.

I have done my own study of all the candidates, its been part of work in UK Politics and yet I still fall down on the side of McCain.

I do find it interesting on this site, with few exceptions, there does seem to be an age divide.

I wonder could any of the 'young' people give a truly off the top of their heads account of why they would vote Obama, or not for McCain, based solely on what he stands for?

BUT what a great way to cover your back. Promise something to get you elected but in the small print say 'well, it probably won't happen, but at least I will say it'.

Although this is me attacking Obama directly, MOST politicians behave as such in the real world - thing is, if he is behaving like the rest, where will the change come in?

AS BOTH MCCAIN AND OBAMA STATED..THE ECONOMY CRISIS ISNT GOING TO BE FIXED OVERNIGHT. whY IS IT SUCH A BIG DEAL ABOUT WHAT OBAMA SAID. eVERYONE IS PICKING THROUGH HIM AND HIS SPEECHES.

The Economic crisis, however, is a global issue that is being dealt with not by just one person. Yes each country is looking after their own, but the leaders of at least the G8 will be in constant contact trying to reasonably deal with the current situation.

3 more months of Bush in the hot seat along with countless other leaders really suggests that unless Obama has some truly innovative idea (which I doubt based on the fact that experts from all fields are already looking at it) then he really won't be able to do much except possibly take credit if the turn around comes within his first 6 months - which will not be down to him.

pEOPLE ARE LISTENING TO HIS VIEWS. ITS JUST CRAZY THAT MOST PEOPLE SEEMS ENRAGED OVER HIS WIN.

Well not quite 'most people' otherwise how did he win?

sorry for the double post. I just like typing in caps sometimes. I get bored with lower cased things! lol but i will for u AL : -)

Well as long as you did it for me
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Well some people said they think he'll be assassinated because hes black. And most pepole dont want a African American to be president.

Again, most is the incorrect term otherwise how could he have won the election?

Obama will not be assassinated, nor should he be.

Well thats an absurd comment. I've actually agreed with you up to this point.

For starters, you cannot tell what is laying in wait for him. He has had 2 attempts on his life and all it takes is one well placed agent to do so and we have an Assasinated President.
We only have to look at Benazir Bhutto to see that it is possible even if someone is highly protected.

Also, the 'nor should he be' really makes no sense. Of course he shouldn't be, no one should be.

 

[Skanky Vamp]

well the point was 'for being black' he would be assassinated 'for being black' i think it's his ideology that would be the reason, not his race.

 

[yellowcrayon]

Cordelia Chase* agrees: u attcked me!!! :-( And he won by getting more states with higher electorial votes

First of all, he won the popular vote as well as the electoral vote. Thus, most *voters* want a black president and want *him* to be president and are *not* enraged over his win.

Secondly, most *people* did not vote in this election, *most* of whom weren't even eligible. That does not, however, translate into most *people* do not want a black president and are enraged over his win.

That's either a hasty generalization fallacy and/or spotlight fallacy and/or a biased sample fallacy. (Spotlight- McCain voters upset about Obama's victory are highly visible in the polling sphere now, therefore most/all McCain voters are upset) most people are upset Just because *some* voters (and those who didn't or couldn't vote) are upset about him winning, does not mean that *most* are.

Also, just because there were a lot of people who didn't vote for Obama, it does *not* mean that it was because he was black. That's a questionable cause fallacy. (A and B have occurred together, therefore A is the cause of B) Not to mention it presumes that everyone who didn't vote for Obama voted against him *purely* because he was black.

 

[randiann]

Ah, people. It's a small thing to get irritated (sp?) over but can't anyone remember that he's biracial, not simply black? He's black AND white. We don't have the first black president, we have the first biracial president. If race isn't an issue, then people wouldn't be saying "first black president" over and over and over. Sorry for the rant, but it really bugs. He so plays up that angle. It's important for us to remember where we come from, not just half of where we come from.



On the plus, Palin is out of there, and I never liked her. Had it not been for her, McCain would have gotten my vote instead of Obama. Which (as I've mentioned before to others) is useless because it was already decided that my state was a McCain state, so my voting helped not one bit.

 

[Perny]

^Black, biracial... As far as my eye can see, he is still pretty black in tha skin. And it's still a historical time we are going to meet. .Black OR biracial

 

[StuckinTraffic]

^^^ Well, and I think in today's "sound bite media" world, they're out there looking specifically for people who are enraged that Obama was elected because he's black, too. Another way of skewing what real public opinion is by loading the grid with detractions based on race. It makes for more interesting news, according to some. It also causes a "the sky is falling" effect, whereby two people say the same thing (no matter that they were the ONLY two in a group of 100 - we didn't hear from the other 98!), and in turn that opinion is repeated to another 2 and on and on. Pretty soon, everyone "thinks" the same thing.....yet only the first 2 actually had an original thought.

 

[Superstar]

Although this is me attacking Obama directly, MOST politicians behave as such in the real world - thing is, if he is behaving like the rest, where will the change come in?

The first sign of change is the selection of chief of staff (unofficially confirmed as of this moment) of an infamous strong-arm.
I still hold to my predictions given in the presidential thread.

unless Obama has some truly innovative idea (which I doubt based on the fact that experts from all fields are already looking at it)

As a fellow student of politics and economics, perhaps I could solicit a comment from you on my "innovative" idea in the presidential thread (even though I oppose the bailout idea completely). It garnered no comment there.

 

[Angelic Slayer]

I'm yet another non-American, but all in all I think my vote would have gone for Obama if I was. I agree that campaign promises and hopes of "change" can often times be left unfulfilled after someone wins an election, but there's always the faint hope that SOME of the promises will go through (and if they do I think that'll be a good thing for the USA, and Canada as we are so closely tied 🙂). And if for nothing else, I have to agree that it is at the very least a big day in history that I'm glad I got to tune in and watch: seeing the response to the announcement of his victory on TV really was really intense. I think that at the very least it was a step forward that gave a huge voice to the black community of the USA; it just shows how yet another barrier in that country has really been taken down.

One thing that I thought was note-worthy that I really did appreciate was how McCain responded to his loss. Watching the Canadian election just last month: when the Liberal Leader lost for Prime Minister against Conservative Stephen Harper, it was days before anyone heard anything from him. And even then, a lot of his speech was him blaming his loss to attack ad's by the opposition. When I watched a clip of McCain's prompt speech last night, I really had some respect for how he congratulated Obama and acknowleged how huge this event was for Americans. Given that yes someone else probably wrote the speech and it's their job to be humble, but just seeing that in comparison to the Canadian-Version, I was really impressed. Definitely showed a difference between our politics here and the ones in USA right now.