Angel: AtF #9

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First let me get the bad out of the way.

I don't like the new artist (Nick Runge) at all. Urru was much better, in my opinion. And I don't just mean at drawing the characters accurately (Runge gets quite sloppy--especially with Wes, Fred, and Conner). There are several panels that are just confusing--where the art is supposed to help explain what characters are talking about but fails to do so. I'm not someone who's picky about the art at all. I read comics more for the story. But when I'm having trouble understanding the story or seeing what I'm supposed to be seeing (because the backgrounds just magically disappear for some reason) then I have a problem.

Also, the writing felt a bit rushed on this issue. I've never had a problem with Lynch's writing before but there were several moments where I had to re-read a page or a panel because it wasn't clear what the characters were talking about.

Here are some Ex's:

- Page 7 with Gunn. In the 3rd panel he says "--Oh." What is he referring to? Conner coming in? And why is Conners first appearance in the issue and the battle shoved off into the corner of the panel?

- The whole Hagan Shaft stuff. Runge doesn't call enough attention to the shafts. I was totally confused what the heck a "hagan shaft" was supposed to be longer than I should have been.

- Page 11 - who is Spike talking to in panel 4? Gwen is standing right next to him, then all of a sudden she's gone in the next panel and Spike is talking to someone right in front of him. And since there isn't a background in the panels leading up to it I have no clue where all these people magically appeared from.

- The overall battle scene was really confusing. I had no idea where anyone was or what the big picture was supposed to look like. Look at pages 12 and 13 and tell me there's not A LOT of cheating going on there as far as rendering the scene goes. Solid color background in every panel--what happen to everything else?

- Page 18 - In the last panel Wes says, "Yes. Figured." Why? I see that Fred turned back to Illyria--is that what Wes is referring to? And if so why did he figure that would turn Fred to Illyria? What was Fred/Illyria's emotional reaction? Anger?

I also had some issues with the writing.

- Page 14 - Pronoun issues. Who is "they" that the other vamp is referring to? Who had other back-up plans? The other demons? Angel's buddies? And why does this bother Gunn? I don't get it.

- Page 19/20 - Too many pronouns going on again. First "she" is referring to Cordelia, then Fred. Yet there's no antecedent--"she" just changes. Writing out characters names doesn't hurt. Making things like this a mystery just feels kind of silly. We all know who the old characters are, so just say it already--but this not saying names thing is really dragging down the clarity and ease of the read.

- In the beginning of the issue all the focus is on Fred and Wesley. Then they just disappear for the entire middle section of the issue and we have no clue what happened to them. Did they run away for some reason? If so, why?

I've honestly never had such trouble figuring out what what's going on in a comic book as I did with this issue of Angel. I think most of the blame falls on Runge's shoulders for failure to convey setting, expression, and movement (I'm really not liking his stuff), but misplacing characters and using pronouns without antecedents and then switching who the pronoun is referring to is just sloppy.

As far as the rest of the issue goes, I like where they're going with it. Angel's "getting the band back together" and setting up his old shop again. I don't get Gunn's character right now though. He kept reacting verbally to something he saw, but either I didn't know what he was supposed to be seeing or I didn't get what the (lack of) expression on his face was supposed to convey in his reaction.

So overall, I like the story but I thought the execution of it was really sloppy and rushed.
 
Dont you mean comic 9? because thats what you are describing.

I have to agree half way on the art work. at points the art looked very nice and at other times it was crap. jumping around too much for my taste. at least with the last atest everything was constant.

on a whol i enjoyed this issue dispite its few flaws and i am egger to see what the next issue has in-store.

As always i will have a youtube video review this issue and many others so please check it out. i will have it uploaded later tonight.
 
Dont you mean comic 9? because thats what you are describing.

I have to agree half way on the art work. at points the art looked very nice and at other times it was crap. jumping around too much for my taste. at least with the last atest everything was constant.

on a whol i enjoyed this issue dispite its few flaws and i am egger to see what the next issue has in-store.

As always i will have a youtube video review this issue and many others so please check it out. i will have it uploaded later tonight.

Yeah, I meant issue #9. Unfortunately I can't go back and edit the post now though. :/

Looking forward to your review.
 
Yeah, I meant issue #9. Unfortunately I can't go back and edit the post now though. :/

Looking forward to your review.

its kool lol, happens to the best of us. btw my review is up.

ps anyone else think the powers tht be that weasly was trying o contact was cordy. seems like the best pick and in issue ten someone big returns
 
its kool lol, happens to the best of us. btw my review is up.

ps anyone else think the powers tht be that weasly was trying o contact was cordy. seems like the best pick and in issue ten someone big returns

Yeah, it was definitely Cordy.

Not sure how I feel about bringing back Wesley... and Fred... and now Cordy. Their deaths are kind of being stepped on now in my opinion. Especially since it doesn't seem as though they're bringing them back for anything more than than a few more issues of this one series. If it was for an ongoing series, I could see the argument. But reviving three major characters from death for a one 15-issue series--it just feels unnecessary.
 
Yeah, it was definitely Cordy.

Not sure how I feel about bringing back Wesley... and Fred... and now Cordy. Their deaths are kind of being stepped on now in my opinion. Especially since it doesn't seem as though they're bringing them back for anything more than than a few more issues of this one series. If it was for an ongoing series, I could see the argument. But reviving three major characters from death for a one 15-issue series--it just feels unnecessary.

i agree totally, i think fred should have never come back and same with wes. as for cordy i really dont care because she left on a stupid note........ sure your welcome was a great epe but i just thought they could have done better


you know who else the person wes was trying to contact could be.... darla. I know its a long shot and i really hope its not but it is possable. however is 99.99% cordy but you never know
 
I love the idea that Wes went to try and contact Cordy and that she seems to acctually be a 'Power That Be' or something similar and that she's finally got the job that she was 'offered' at the end of season three. Don't know if she will come back in the books but i, for one, would welcome her return.

Love-Love-Love that they returned to the hotel. In every fangirl-fantasy/fanfic/imagining I ever had for Angel after season five - they always ended up back at that hotel!

I love this comic. I love the dynamics they have created between characters, i love the pace of the story and how it is developing. This one was a little confusing in parts and it certainly required a number of reads to get what is going on (didn't help that the first time i read it two pages stuck together...) but it is still the only comic I read that has me reaching for a cigarette (metaphorically speaking) after i'm done.

Have to say I loved that panel of Spike with 'the girls' - that was lovely. Do 'the girls' look a bit slayer-ish? They look a bit slayer-ish to me...
 
I love this comic. I love the dynamics they have created between characters, i love the pace of the story and how it is developing. This one was a little confusing in parts and it certainly required a number of reads to get what is going on (didn't help that the first time i read it two pages stuck together...) but it is still the only comic I read that has me reaching for a cigarette (metaphorically speaking) after i'm done.

AtF is my favorite comic right now too. I think that's why I was so disappointed with this last issue--it wasn't up to the high standard the book has always measured up to.
 
you know you think on how much the comic is selling and how popular it is that they would increase the number of issues to alot more than just 12ish.
 
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I had completely forgotten about the planned limited run of this series. How are they ever going to straighten this convoluted mess out in that few issues? It'll HAVE to be extended.
I agree with much of what has been said by the previous posters. It feels a bit rushed and I miss Franco... but I think that if we maybe give Nick a couple of issues, he might get better. Look at how much Georges' work improved over the course of his first few issues.
 
Yeah, it was definitely Cordy.
So... Cordy takes possession of Wes' dead body and Illyria/Fred want a go at it so Wesghost can vicariously watch the consummation that never happened.
Meanwhile, possessed Wes' body makes a go for Angel.

There's just all kinds of bizarre semi-hetero gayness action in that triangle.

Ok, I'm joking. Really.

you know you think on how much the comic is selling and how popular it is that they would increase the number of issues to alot more than just 12ish.
Well, there is Spike: After the Fall coming up.

They can always continue it further with:
Wesley: After the Fall
Gunn: After the Fall
Illyria: After the Fall
Fred: After the Fall
Lorne: After the Fall
Connor: After the Fall
Kate: After the Fall
Gwen: After the Fall
Cordy: After the Fall
Spider: After the Fall
Civilians: After the Fall
HelLA: After the Fall
After the After the Fall

Yeah, a planned short run like that to tell what is supposed to be a major story is kinda lame unless you do indeed intend to utilize my mocking suggestions above.
Best guess as to real reason: lots of new 1st issues with multiple covers.
 
wayyyyyyyyyyyyy to many after the fall lol. anyways i just hope you see how much people lover this comic and keep it going or atleast do another angel comic that is canon
 
Another canon series is the best idea.
To do 40 someodd issues of Angel as anything but a vampire changes the game far too much. Also, S5 was the most character driven of the series, and ATF is expanding on that, as an extension of what's already happened, but in keeping it succinct we not only get the story we've been yearning after for 4 years, but a look at what the events of the previous 5 years did to everyone.

I say this often: Angel is the one television series that never lets you forget the past. Everything comes back, in one shape or another, for our protagonists, and often times even an exit by a character is a cliffhanger in and of itself, with something more to be said for it, even if dead means dead. I see a lot of bellyaching over characters that come back, over series length, over the speed and pace of what's happening in the books, but you complainers seriously need to shut the **** up. Tim Minear and David Fury, in my opinion, are the two driving forces behind Angel growing and turning into something never imaginable when the series started, but Joss, finally, took the reins of Angel and kept the work alive that made Angel so epic. Like Lynch or not, Angel is no longer the OTHER Buffy story, and that's the most important thing, and if that means a fleeting refrence of Cordelia, or Fred, or Wes still being around, then so be it.

With that said, #9 was pretty fantastic. It was, in my opinion, the most series-accurate written issue of After The Fall to date. Wes speaking of Cordy, Illyria holding dead Wesley again, and Angel's return to the Hyperion- too great.
 
It's not a reference--they're actually all returning from the dead in some form.

Well, not really - Cordelia has only been alluded to (beautifully, but still only an allusion), Fred is reappearing periodically probably due to the influence of 'hell' on Illyria (and its doubtful if this will be permanent post-hell) and Wes is a ghost because he is still in service to W&H - which we have a precedent for in both Holland Manners and Lilah...
 
Well, not really - Cordelia has only been alluded to (beautifully, but still only an allusion), Fred is reappearing periodically probably due to the influence of 'hell' on Illyria (and its doubtful if this will be permanent post-hell) and Wes is a ghost because he is still in service to W&H - which we have a precedent for in both Holland Manners and Lilah...

Fred and Wes have both made actual appearances. All evidence points toward Cordelia returning as well next issue. Those aren't "fleeting references," they're explicit walking-talking returns from the dead.
 
Well, not really - Cordelia has only been alluded to (beautifully, but still only an allusion), Fred is reappearing periodically probably due to the influence of 'hell' on Illyria (and its doubtful if this will be permanent post-hell) and Wes is a ghost because he is still in service to W&H - which we have a precedent for in both Holland Manners and Lilah...


I'm not sure if that really applies here. Manners and Lilah had contracts with W&H, but I don't think Angel or any of his crew signed any such document. At least they weren't shown doing so, and both Lilah and Eve had written contracts that they had to actually sign.

Wesley might say that he now works for the Senior Partners, might even believe it himself, but he might actually be working for someone else altogether.
 
I'm not sure if that really applies here. Manners and Lilah had contracts with W&H, but I don't think Angel or any of his crew signed any such document. At least they weren't shown doing so, and both Lilah and Eve had written contracts that they had to actually sign.

Wesley might say that he now works for the Senior Partners, might even believe it himself, but he might actually be working for someone else altogether.

good pointi agree i dont think angel or his crew were at all shown signing any contract. The only two i can think that might have are wes and gunn
 
i think i read somewhere the Brian confirmed that seeing as "First night" got added into the main series, that "After the fall" is now about 15 issues long atleast
 
i think i read somewhere the Brian confirmed that seeing as "First night" got added into the main series, that "After the fall" is now about 15 issues long atleast

yea.... not long enough. i think to get a good story at the VERY LEAST 25 issues. but i would like to see 50 to be satisfied
 
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