Angel ep by ep; FIVE BY FIVE-you gotta have FAITH!

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FIVE BY FIVE

The Good;
All of it, brilliant episode that gives Angel it's first 10/10 story. It's my all time favorite Angel ep AND contains my nearly all time favourite Angel moment, Wes coming across the weeping Faith in Angel's arms and dropping the knife.

The Bad;
If you think there's anything bad in this ep, go to the doctor because you're clearly crazy

Best line:
Cordy 'Generally you don't change a guy. Scratch the surface and what do you get? More surface!' (the events of Expecting still sting obviously)

Jeez, how did they get away with that?
Faith tortures Wes, horribly. She hurts Lee too but who cares? Darla describes killing children who 'squeal like little piggies', eugh!

Apocalypses: 4

Angel Cliches

Damsel in distress; 15,
Inverting the Hollywood cliche; loathsome pimp picks up beautiful lost girl who then turns around and beats the crap out of him! Good for her!

In disguise; 4, Angel masquerades as a lawyer

DB get's his shirt off; 5
Cordy's tattoo;3
Cheap Angel; he doesn't carry any cash with him
3
Fang Gang in bondage: Wes tied to a chair
Cordy: 5
Angel: 8
Wes: 2

Fang gang knocked out: Cordy and Wes
Cordy: 9
Angel: 10
Wes: 4
Doyle; 1

Kills:
Cordy: 3 vamps, 1½ demons
Angel: 3 demons so 11 vamps, 9 and 1/2 demons, 2 humans.
Doyle; 1 vamp
Wes; 1/2 a demon
Kate; 3 vamps
Fang Gang go evil:
Cordy: 2
Angel: 2

Alternate Fang Gang:
Cordy: 2
Angel: 6

Characters killed:
25
Recurring characters killed;
2;

Total number of Angel Investigations:
3, Angel and Cordy and Wes

Angel Investigations shot: Angel by Faith
Angel: 8,
Packing heat; Angel tries to shoot Faith in the leg but fires blanks
Wes; 2
Doyle; 1
Angel; 1

Notches on Fang Gang bedpost:
Cordy: 2 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast
Angel: 1;Buffy

Kinky dinky:
Lindsey offers to 'get Faith off' but she's heard that from guys before (although Lilah promises she'll impress Faith?). The guy who picks Faith up at the bus station is clearly looking to be her pimp but she gives him what he deserves. In a blow to Cesly fans CC proclaims that hell will freeze over before she has sex with Wes. Faith dancing is always a highlight. Darla and Angel(us) refer to 'playing games'.

Captain Subtext;
Lilah picks Faith up in the club. Faith remarks she's not much of a talker, more of a doer

Know the face, different character; 2

Parking garages;
4,

Guantanamo Bay;

Buffy characters on Angel;
7; Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy, Wes, Faith

Questions and observations;
Note that when Angel catches the crossbow bolt Faith fires at him it's nowhere near his heart, she just wants to goad him into the fight. At this stage Wolfram and Hart don't realise that they need Angel for their prophecy so are quite happy to try and kill him. We have flashbacks to resouled Angel having broken up with Darla, starving but isn't able to bring himself to kill in order to eat. All of the WR&H lawyers have the same initials, LM? How does Angel enter the thugs apartment when he's not invited? PTB or is the guy squatting?
Marks out of 10; 10/10 my favourite Angel ep ever
 
I love this ep, but I love Sanctuary more. 😛

Well, I always feel a little bored of flashback of anyone. The only time I love is in Are You Now, or Have You Ever Been?. So I suppose to go to the doctor. 😀

Faith dancing and hitting/kicking people scene is so cool(and hot). This is the most sl*ttiest Faith episode. The expression on her face was very psychotic. I was kinda scared. That's why I didn't like it as much as Sanctuary. I love only the last 5 minutes when she started to cry and beg Angel to kill her.

Oh, I've never thought about LM before. What's Lee's lastname? 🙂

It's funny when Angel talked about English guy and Cordy didn't know it's Wes. And when she knew, she just "Oh, you mean...Go on!". 😀
 
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Lee Mercer :)
10 for me too. Prefered in the dark but definatly 2nd best. Loved Faith bashing Lee's face off the table 20 times, his smug little face was asking for it. And honestly, Angel v Faith in the apartment= best fight from Ats EVER.

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Also, the directors have never been too fussy about a vamp being dusted even though the stake was clearly nowhere near the heart.
 
MinwaraYana
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Thankie :)
MinwaraYana said:
I love this ep, but I love Sanctuary more. 😛

Well, I always feel a little bored of flashback of anyone. The only time I love is in Are You Now, or Have You Ever Been?. So I suppose to go to the doctor. 😀

Faith dancing and hitting/kicking people scene is so cool(and hot). This is the most sl*ttiest Faith episode. The expression on her face was very psychotic. I was kinda scared. That's why I didn't like it as much as Sanctuary. I love only the last 5 minutes when she started to cry and beg Angel to kill her.

Oh, I've never thought about LM before. What's Lee's lastname? 🙂

It's funny when Angel talked about English guy and Cordy didn't know it's Wes. And when she knew, she just "Oh, you mean...Go on!". 😀
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I'm not big with the flashbacks, either. And the Cordy line is priceless!
I love love LOVE Faith's dancing. It's the highlight of any episode. And it's not just because I'm sort of absolutely in love with Faith...
actually, yeah. It is. 🙂
 
MinwaraYana
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Living dead girl, yay! *shakes hair*
I have a healthy dose of Fangel ship in me. I love this episode. My husband hates Faith; he thinks she's really annoying. But I love her. I love how much she changes and grows, and I love the way trust has built between Faith and Angel, how they truly understand each other. The scene where Faith collapses in Angel's arms is heart wrenching to me. Faith is such a great example (one of many) of how Joss loves to play with shades of gray when it comes to morality. After all Faith has done, we should have no problem believing she's evil. But she's NOT. She's broken, but not irreparably. As long as there is humanity, there's hope. It's a powerful message.
 
Perfect episode. Awesome Faith action, Cordy is so cute "I like the plan where I'm scarce" and the Wolfram and Hart guys top notch.
Love Faith in this ep, my favorite moment is when she's at the club dancing to Living dead girl starting a fight. that's my girl 😀
 
I've been rewatching BtVS S4, so when I watched Who Are You? I decided, just for continuity, to smash this one on next. Gotta say, didn't love it. I'm not a huge Eliza fan, ergo not a huge Faith fan. I find her cliched & I find Eliza just not a very good actress. The scene at the end, which so many people seem to love, I've got to be honest, I burst out laughing. Eliza is waaaaay over the top, her acting would look hammy in a high school drama club. This is, of course, just my opinion. An opinion which in the grand scheme of thing doesn't amount to a hill of beans. Maybe it's just been too long since I saw the Faith/Angel stuff from BtVS S3, maybe this ep would have more emotional resonance if I had watched that recently. But then again, maybe not. Sorry.
 
This is an amazing episode really, thinking back on it, the way it makes you respond and react to Faith is amazing, you could really hate her for tourtuing Wes, but they kinda make sure you don't and she comes out at the end as being a 'good guy' still really (well not so much 'good' but i can't think of a better way of putting it 😛)
 
This episode is just so great. These kind of episodes with Faith is what makes me still believe to this day she could've carried her own show & it would've been as big as Buffy & Angel. The whole time she is on screen, you are just glued to the TV & it's a non stop ride. Eliza really gets you to feel what Faith is going through whether she's pissed off or begging for her life to be ended. The last scene in this ep will always be close to my heart, it's just flahlees as I like to say 🙂
 
Just watched this episode and it was awesome! Honestly can't get enough Faith action!

The last 5 minutes totally cleared a lot of fuzziness in my brain haha
 
Best episode one of the best. Faith's scene was amazing at the end and I just love it. Plus it was good to see a little bad faith too 😉
 
Faith isn't my favourite character in the Buffyverse by a long shot. I don't really understand how people can like someone that is so cruel, nasty and psychotic! Obviously I don't like this episode for the same reasons. I hate HATE the Wesley torture scenes, I find them really difficult to watch. I understand what Joss and co were trying to achieve in this episode, and it's well done. It just happens to be something I don't enjoy. Does that make sense?
 
caitaintdead said:
Faith isn't my favourite character in the Buffyverse by a long shot. I don't really understand how people can like someone that is so cruel, nasty and psychotic! Obviously I don't like this episode for the same reasons. I hate HATE the Wesley torture scenes, I find them really difficult to watch. I understand what Joss and co were trying to achieve in this episode, and it's well done. It just happens to be something I don't enjoy. Does that make sense?
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Faith tortured Wesley because she hated herself and she needed Angel to get in the "game" so he would kill her. Faith couldn't stand what she become and she could barely recognize herself so she just wanted Angel to put her out of her misery and the only way she knew how to get Angel to do it was to get him "there". Little did she know she picked the wrong one, had she tortured Cordy, Faith would've gotten what she wanted. All in all, I love this episode because Angel figures her out and refuses to do what she wants him to. INSTEAD, he embraces her and helps her find her way. This episode finally made me an Angel (character) fan.
 
MinwaraYana
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Faith is really messed up, nobody's denying that. All the horrible things he did are not justifiable, but I think they make for a very well-layered, fascinating, and after seeing her genuine horror and complete breakdown at what she has done, and her decision to put things right when she could so easily escape, a very likeable character too.
 
MinwaraYana
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Faith is not cruel, nasty and psychotic. She always wanted to save people. It may look like she likes killing things, but indeed she wants to help people. Also, I can't remember she said anything rude to anyone before she became bad. It's only either flirting or joking. When she was bad is when she freaked out after killing Allan Finch. And I rather think of 'cruel, nasty and psychotic' as her mask.
 
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